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Forced pregnancy is enslavement.[W:607]

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OKgrannie said:
Pregnant women (in most cases) suffer from fatigue, clumsiness, constipation, frequent urination, nausea (not just in the mornings), and a whole host of ailments.
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I suffer from these things every day. Well, actually I alternate between constipation and diarrhea.
That is to be expected, it is not an exception. Please have some appreciation for the sacrifice women make to give birth.
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Oh believe me, I have an appreciation for it.

-AJF
 
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JayDubya said:
I'm not familiar with your use of slang, does "off the hook" refer to knowing the fact that those who employ violence to kill innocent human beings - such as abortionists and their clients - are violent killers?

They objectively are that, of course. It's just that you want them running free and able to kill again and again, and I do not.
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You, sir, hold a minority opinion. Thank the gods which do not exist.
 
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WCH said:
Sure... maybe it's different in Canadian ;)

Do you read English?
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genocide

noun
1.the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Genocide | Define Genocide at Dictionary.com


Abortion is about individual pregnant women deciding they cannot handle having a child right now, for whatever reason(s) they have, and choosing to terminate. Nobody is trying to exterminate all zefs, even if they were one of those groups in the definition of genocide.
 
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WCH said:
Self inflicted hardships that lead to loss of life. The child's.

I can't think of anything more selfish and evil.
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I can - wanting to force women to gestate against their will is way more selfish and evil than abortion ever can be.
 
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prometeus said:
The stupidity of this question is only exceeded by your claim that shooting someone is also a medical procedure.
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Perhaps, but you didn't answer it. Current law allows elective abortions on whatever whim strikes the woman in the moment. Did law prior to Roe v. Wade allow that type of abortions?

-AJF
 
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year2late said:
Again, "short" is a subjective term.

You "feel" it is short. It would not be "felt" as short to other people.

9 months is an entire grade at school.

9 months can make or break a career and the ability to support yourself.

Hell, it takes 9 months to grow a baby from a sperm and egg.

It takes 9 months for a lot of things to happen.

Your perception is that it is a "short" period of time.

I guarantee that when I was pre-eclamptic and having medical issues requiring C-section and then recovering...losing out on a promotion, going all but bankrupt....it felt like a really really long time. It felt even longer to dig myself and my family out of that financial hole that the pregnancy dug me into. Because I had reasonable resources, I knew I would not starve or go homeless....but many women who consider abortion are CLEARLY not so lucky.
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Length of time can be perceived subjectively, but that is not the only way to view it. Relative to a normal lifespan, or relative to the length of time any of us posting here has been alive, 1 year is objectively a *short* period of time.

-AJF
 
iangb said:
True, but only in the framework of the law. I was discussing 'killing', not murder vs homicide; That's something that happens regardless of the intention.
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No, you said that I would consider it murder if I consented to be hooked up to the violinist and then unplugged myself, which is absolutely true. In such case I would not have a leg to stand on. I would not be freeing myself from a captivity that others had forced upon me against my will.

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Standard burden of proof. It's not an assumption to assume 'lack of suffering', it is your assumption that suffering exists and hence your burden of proof to show that is the case.
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It absolutely is an assumption to assume lack of suffering; "assume" is the root of the word "assumption". When you "assume" *anything*, you by definition make an assumption. It is not my assumption that suffering exists; it is my statement that we don't know for certain. We have circumstantial evidence that no suffering exists; but we have never heard an unborn tell us one way or another. On the other hand, every human that is able to express him/herself does express suffering when tortured with cutting implements or cut off from his/her oxygen supply. An unborn human is a human; it stands to reason that he/she would feel suffering as well. You may argue that an unborn's lack of neural development makes it unlikely that it experiences suffering. That is certainly a plausible argument, but it's still circumstantial.

And even if unborn *do* feel no pain, is it morally justified to anesthetize an innocent adult and then kill him/her so that there is no suffering?

-AJF
 
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WCH said:
I see your concept of evil is also way off base.

Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of these stages have you used in your quest to keep the killing legal?

Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Your wiki definition still does not fit, not that wiki is a great source. Nobody is trying to eliminate all or even a significant number, of zefs. Once again, abortion is individual pregnant women deciding that, for whatever their reasoning is, they cannot handle having a child right now, and choosing to terminate.
 
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WCH said:
I see your concept of evil is also way off base.

Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How many of these stages have you used in your quest to keep the killing legal?

Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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My concept of evil isn't off base. If I could cast a magic spell on ALL pro-life males, single or married. The spell would prevent them from having any form of sexual contact with a woman until he wanted to reproduce. Let me repeat...zero form of sexual contact with a woman. It'd be dang interesting to see how all of these men could manage their horniness. Bet Ben Carson could test out his theory that gay sex is a choice, huh?

What's also evil is men who knowingly deposit sperm in a woman for any reason other than to reproduce.

Back to the real world...

Once more...you've proven just how much you love punishing women for having sex for any other reason that to reproduce. Good on you, WCH. You're da man.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
genocide

noun
1.the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Genocide | Define Genocide at Dictionary.com


Abortion is about individual pregnant women deciding they cannot handle having a child right now, for whatever reason(s) they have, and choosing to terminate. Nobody is trying to exterminate all zefs, even if they were one of those groups in the definition of genocide.
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Scrabaholic said:
Your wiki definition still does not fit, not that wiki is a great source. Nobody is trying to eliminate all or even a significant number, of zefs. Once again, abortion is individual pregnant women deciding that, for whatever their reasoning is, they cannot handle having a child right now, and choosing to terminate.
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Scrabaholic said:
genocide

noun
1.the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Genocide | Define Genocide at Dictionary.com


Abortion is about individual pregnant women deciding they cannot handle having a child right now, for whatever reason(s) they have, and choosing to terminate. Nobody is trying to exterminate all zefs, even if they were one of those groups in the definition of genocide.
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Scrabaholic said:
Your wiki definition still does not fit, not that wiki is a great source. Nobody is trying to eliminate all or even a significant number, of zefs. Once again, abortion is individual pregnant women deciding that, for whatever their reasoning is, they cannot handle having a child right now, and choosing to terminate.
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It makes no sense and it never will. There was no explanation of why there are so many baby showers to celebrate births, why women are doted on when pregnant, even by strangers, why people constantly post cute baby pics and videos all over FaceBook, why we have infant food, clothing, furniture, and accessories industries worth billions. Not to mention the daycare industry. Yes, Americans are systematically trying to remove all those babes from society by killing them before birth.

Sounds totally rational to me! /sarcasm
 
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applejuicefool said:
Well, there's this, and this, and this, and this.

-AJF
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Ok AJF , it does seem you to like discussing the possibility that someday in the future science will build a working artificial womb.

Therefore I have a question for you.

Do you believe an embryo is human life even if it is not inside the woman ?
 
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applejuicefool said:
Length of time can be perceived subjectively, but that is not the only way to view it. Relative to a normal lifespan, or relative to the length of time any of us posting here has been alive, 1 year is objectively a *short* period of time.

-AJF
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9 months is less than 80 years.

1 day is way way way way way way shorter than 9 months.

Whether 9 months is perceived as a long or short amount time is in the eye of the beholder.

If you are losing the ability to support for yourself...if you fear your ability to care for your born children, if you are suffering from problems strictly related to your pregnancy.....I absolutely can tell you from experience...every day can seem like an eternity.
 
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