Re: Maybe this will change a mind [W:223, 278,342]
OK. I want to know.
What on earth brought this on?
I explained in length in a follow up message. The internal, genetically programmed and compulsion of males to both procreate and to dominate women is the unending history of the human race - and for many other species particularly higher level mammals.
In fact, for thousands of years across the entire world, men have had a compulsion to procreate and a compulsion to totally dominate women ranging from oppressive laws, oppressive rules of society, and a billion time over by rape and violent assault. The relevancy to legalized abortion as the woman's choice is obvious.
Whether it is politics, religion, social or personal, people most often find rationalizations to mask and justify their actual motives. Women having final say over having children runs contrary that human history: individually, socially and psychologically. Thus, while there is incessant raging that supporting it being women - instead of men or society/government controlled by men - who make the decision over a woman having a child or not - accusing those who claim it is the woman's decision of being "sadists," "murderers," "sub-human" and the other endless personal attacks are, for some or for many (in my opinion) just rationalizations to divert from primitive motives of dominating women including sexually and in terms of procreation.
Human history OVERWHELMINGLY supports such compulsive desires and motivations of men in regards to both procreation and to dominate women.
The great lie is that pro-life and pro-choice are diametric opposites, when they are not. Pro-life wishes women prohibited from ending an unwanted pregnancy. Pro-choice does seek anyone forced to end any pregnancy. Thus, the question is not exactly abortion versus not-abortion. Rather, it is a debate over who has the power to decide. Fundamentally, it is a question of power over women versus not having power over women.
Women having the power to make decisions about anything is historically a fair new legal and recognized civil right in SOME societies and countries now. In the majority of countries women still largely do not have that power. Rather, men have power over women in countless ways.
What brought it on? The OP linked video has NOTHING to do with the abortion topic, for which this - like nearly all - abortion threads came down to the same messages - accusations against women and against pro-choicers by pro-life members - with a large share of messages furiously, hatefully and with the greatest possible insults declaring such women and pro-choicers are motivated by murderous evil, sadism and greed equal to the most evil of criminals. That is the claim of many prolife men (not all) on these threads.
I doubt there was any female who had an abortion for the joy of having an abortion nor a desire to murder anyone. I believe all those messages not only are false, but due to their intensely hateful, bizarre nature and from a male voice have other core motivations.
Since MOTIVE is raised over and over again, I am claiming that for many who voice opposition to women having the power the real reason is found in the history of the relationship between men and women. That history is one of men dominating women physically, economically, legally and often violently including over sex and procreation.
If TRUE MOTIVES is relevant as most prolifer's on these threads claim, then I am also going to post of true motives of some or many to oppose women having power over her sexuality and whether or not to have a child.
