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Trump Says It Out Loud

ReubenSherr said:
Beefhart, I will debate you if you are interested in a one-on-one, factual debate.

No snickering back and forth with other posters, asking other liberal posters to come on the thread and help you out, or any other trolling-type behavior.
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I asked you a very fair and honest question. Do you agree with Trump defunding the post office ahead of the election where millions of registered voters will be exercising their right to vote by mail?

Yes or no.

The fact that you can't answer an honest question speaks volumes about why you are posting the way you are.
 
ReubenSherr said:
If the left in fact is not planning on engaging in fraud, then why do we constantly hit a brick wall when we suggest that polling locations simply be kept open for weeks, to prevent overcrowding?
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Citation needed for that one. In any case i can understand a preference for more stations over longer opening times even though weeks sounds excessive. I wouldn't mind a balance of both: mores stations and open for a long weekend. But still, I'd like to see where the push for longer opening times comes from and whether it's just a response to all the closures. I would also like to see how this equates to fraud.

So citation please.
 
uptower said:
Citation needed for that one. In any case i can understand a preference for more stations over longer opening times even though weeks sounds excessive. I wouldn't mind a balance of both: mores stations and open for a long weekend. But still, I'd like to see where the push for longer opening times comes from and whether it's just a response to all the closures. I would also like to see how this equates to fraud.

So citation please.
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Asking him to cite his data is like asking him a question, he won't do it. Its a very dishonest way of posting, and it is pretty obvious.
 
uptower said:
Citation needed for that one. In any case i can understand a preference for more stations over longer opening times even though weeks sounds excessive. I wouldn't mind a balance of both: mores stations and open for a long weekend. But still, I'd like to see where the push for longer opening times comes from and whether it's just a response to all the closures. I would also like to see how this equates to fraud.

So citation please.
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This was just an idea I posted...not sure what you mean...

How all what equates to fraud?

There is no proof that fraud will occur, if that's what you mean. But if there are wide claims of votes being lost, people voting twice, etc., whoever wins will find it extremely difficult to govern. Or worse.

In-person voting protects us from all this. Which is why it's been in place for over 200 years.
 
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beefheart said:
Asking him to cite his data is like asking him a question, he won't do it. Its a very dishonest way of posting, and it is pretty obvious.
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Uptower was addressing me. ;)

Find you own poster to debate. Mail-in voting is the topic.
 
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ReubenSherr said:
This was just an idea I posted...not sure what you mean...

How all what equates to fraud?

There is no proof that fraud will occur, if that's what you mean. But if there are wide claims of votes being lost, people voting twice, etc., whoever wins will find it extremely difficult to govern. Or worse.

In-person voting protects us from all this. Which is why it's been in place for over 200 years.
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How can in-person voting be the 'solution' to mail-in voting if mail-in isn't a problem to begin with? It's not. 40 million Americans already do it. It works.

How can in-person be the 'solution' if states and counties are trying to undermine that as well? Go back and look over the list of other forms of suppression, targeted at in-person voting.

How can in-person voting be the 'solution' when in dozens of elections over many years, tens of millions have successfully voted by mail?

Thanks to covid and the closure and removal of polling places now more people will need to vote by mail. Since a third of the electorate already does this I see no reason why more people cannot. It has been proven - and I have demonstrated this time and again - to be no more problematic or prone to fraud than voting in person.

The real election fraud is coordinated efforts at voter suppression committed at the state and county level and since a couple of supreme court decisions and the president's latest executive orders - at the federal level now as well. Why not let as many Americans as are eligible vote either in-person or by mail? What's the reason not to?
 
uptower said:
How can in-person voting be the solution if states and counties are trying to undermine that as well? Go back and look over the list of other forms of suppression, targeted at in-person voting.
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What do you mean? Which list are you referring to?

If there are issues with voter suppression, why would liberals have waited until now to bring all this up?
 
uptower said:
Why not let as many Americans as are eligible vote either in-person or by mail? What's the reason not to?
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(1)If there are widespread accusations of votes being lost, people voting multiple times, etc., our nation will go into disarray, and whoever is elected won't be able to govern.

(2)16 states are getting ready to accept votes before Biden has had a chance to appear on a debate stage, and prove that his is mentally fit to take office.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Uptower was addressing me. ;)

Find you own poster to debate. Mail-in voting is the topic.
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Typical of you, running away when someone asks you questions.

Why won't you answer any questions?
 
ReubenSherr said:
What do you mean? Which list are you referring to?

If there are issues with voter suppression, why would liberals have waited until now to bring all this up?
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Been living under a rock? There's an election coming is the simple answer.

However it's not sudden at all. The articles I cited earlier go back a decade or more. Voter suppression has been a growing issue for several election cycles already. Nobody's 'suddenly' talking about it - they've always been talking about it.

If people are talking about it more now, it's because there's another election in several months and the president is trying to suppress voters again.
 
uptower said:
Been living under a rock? There's an election coming is the simple answer.

However it's not sudden at all. The articles I cited earlier go back a decade or more. Voter suppression has been a growing issue for several election cycles already. Nobody's 'suddenly' talking about it - they've always been talking about it.

If people are talking about it more now, it's because there's another election in several months and the president is trying to suppress voters again.
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Oh and I'll add to that the president's own recent announcement he would like to stifle the vote by crippling the mail, which is the very topic of this thread.

Nope, can't imagine why everyone's talking about it now...

:doh
 
...he doesn't care about our supreme law of the land and is willing to try to place a Constitutionally enumerated function of Government under duress.
 
uptower said:
Oh and I'll add to that the president's own recent announcement he would like to stifle the vote by crippling the mail, which is the very topic of this thread.

Nope, can't imagine why everyone's talking about it now...

:doh
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If there is a separate issue of voter suppression, why didn't we hear anything about calls for universal mail-in voting last year, or the year before?
 
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ReubenSherr said:
No, he's letting us know that Democrats are using COVID for an excuse to use mail-in voting to CHEAT. And to send out ballots early, before Biden has had a chance to appear on a debate stage.

There is even a post in one of the poll threads arguing that as kids we are taught not to cheat, but that as adults things are more complicated. You wouldn't imagine the number of liberal posters who hit the like button for that post.
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When did mailing in your vote become cheating? What country do you live in?
 
digitusmedius said:
He told Maria Bartiromo that choking off money to the USPS is the only way he'll get a second term:


I guess there's an upside to Dirtbag's crumbling mental status. He's now letting us know that he knows he's going to lose if he can't block people from voting. The other side of having a madman in the WH is that he just might decide he also needs a war.
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He’s attempting a coup in full view.

He knows he’s going to lose if the election was fair, so he’s using the tools of the government that he controls, to tip the election his way. It’s no different than what two-bit dictators do in the third world.

My father risked his life fighting for our democracy in World War 2. I guess I can risk the virus voting in person to save our democracy.
 
Helix said:
The Republican party is the party of voter suppression.
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the Republican party has been the party of voter suppression for decades (they took that mantle from Jim Crow in the 60s). Until Trump, however, they tried to keep it secret, like "fight club". But, it has become more and more obvious, and more and more blatant as they have gotten more and more desperate to retain power. This may be the election where the people say "enough", by voting in unheard numbers to overcome the corrupt processes.
 
digitusmedius said:
That's not stopping Dirtbag and his stooge of a Postmaster General from doing everything to spike this election. Dirtbag doesn't give a **** for this country.
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Trump can fire the USPS Inspector General for blowing the whistle on Louis DeJoy, and he can pardon the federal crimes DeJoy is overseeing by sabotaging the Postal Service, but he can’t fire state AGs or local DAs whose grand juries nail the goons for state felonies.

Tampering with access to voting and tampering with elections is a state crime. Thus, using your authority as a federal official to commit state crimes is a state crime.
 
beefheart said:
How about you be honest about that thread, and show everyone what the poll results are?
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The question in the thread was "If it helps your side, do you support cheating in an election?"

The liberal poster responded "This is a difficult question," and proceeded to explain that kids are taught not to cheat, but that as an adult it is more complicated.

And then 6 liberal posters agreed with the post.

Conservatives would have one answer to this question.

"No."
 
ReubenSherr said:
The question in the thread was "If it helps your side, do you support cheating in an election?"

The liberal poster responded "This is a difficult question," and proceeded to explain that kids are taught not to cheat, but that as an adult it is more complicated.

And then 6 liberal posters agreed with the post.

Conservatives would have one answer to this question.

"No."
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And blithely go on doing it, having lied about yet another topic...
 
NWRatCon said:
And blithely go on doing it, having lied about yet another topic...
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???

6 liberal posters agreed that “This is a difficult question.”

This is NOT a difficult question.

The answer should be no. Period.
 
ReubenSherr said:
The question in the thread was "If it helps your side, do you support cheating in an election?"

The liberal poster responded "This is a difficult question," and proceeded to explain that kids are taught not to cheat, but that as an adult it is more complicated.

And then 6 liberal posters agreed with the post.

Conservatives would have one answer to this question.

"No."
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Look at the poll results, and honestly tell us about them.

How about you actually do that?
 
MTAtech said:
Trump can fire the USPS Inspector General for blowing the whistle on Louis DeJoy, and he can pardon the federal crimes DeJoy is overseeing by sabotaging the Postal Service, but he can’t fire state AGs or local DAs whose grand juries nail the goons for state felonies.

Tampering with access to voting and tampering with elections is a state crime. Thus, using your authority as a federal official to commit state crimes is a state crime.
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He can do all of that and every time he does it becomes a new attack ad the tells the country that Dirtbag is stealing an election--if they don't realize it already.
 
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