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Mainstream media is the enemy... [W:47]

It is weird seeing people who get 99% of their news from Limbaugh, Breitbart, Drudge, Fox, etc. now complain daily about other news sources.

And no I'm not just talking about here. I know people I see almost daily, my father in-law for example. He now complains daily about the MSM, all the while sitting there daily watching Fox and listening to Limbaugh. And his 'complaints' about the MSM are almost word for word what I read here from other Trumpsters and read other places on-line. It's like they are all in 'sync'. lol

If it wasn't so scary it would be comical. It's going to be an all-out war by Trump and his people on the media. Trump has put some people who worked for the Con media in his inner circle, so expect a full war by Trump against the opposition media sources.

They are going to try and shout down any and all liberal, moderate, and opposition voices and media.
The difference is that everyone knows which side Rush and Fox are on... most the others disingenuously try, or tried in the past, to tout themselves as being straight down the middle.

It is hard to know why a whole load of what might otherwise be considered semi intelligent folk cannot see that.

What a :lamo
 
...Especially when it's the same people who used to get that those people are crazy a year ago.

That's been the weird part for me. Watching people just... forget everything they know about basic reason and logic.
Now there is a whole lot of Smoke and Mirrors right there.
 
Trump's Inauguration Speech...here's what mainstream media had to say as they covered it live...

Mainstream media is an enemy of truth.

I don't have a link for this. Saw and heard the individuals in an aggregate clip on Fox News.

I cannot believe the lies. Your thoughts?

My thought is that your post represents one of the biggest threats to the American political system.
When you start attacking the free press because Dear Leader told you so... you are helping to place us on the path to fascism.
 
The difference is that everyone knows which side Rush and Fox are on...

You must be new here. Read a little from the Cons on this site and you will quickly realize that NOT everyone knows what side Fox is on..

You believing otherwise is a HUGE laugh.
 
Trump's Inauguration Speech...here's what mainstream media had to say as they covered it live...




Mainstream media is an enemy of truth.

I don't have a link for this. Saw and heard the individuals in an aggregate clip on Fox News.

I cannot believe the lies. Your thoughts?



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Enemy of the truth :lamo

"...the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution..."

The First Amendment and Free Market are your enemies now ?

Lets listen to what someone over at Fox News says, aye.



"That is the way the country works, that is the free market place"

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.......The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know........

.......No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I .am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers--I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for, as a wise man once said: "An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed-and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian law-maker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment--the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution--not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.........

........And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.

John F. Kennedy: Address "The President and the Press" Before the American Newspaper Publishers Association, New York City.

:coffeepap
 
I firmly oppose anything that ends in "tard" but I think he's calling you one because you appear to support every single thing and word that comes from Trump. You even told me that he should surround himself with people who made the most noise/trouble but were the most loyal - a completely contradictory statement - and then failed to respond to me when I pointed that out. If you support a policy with logic that makes no sense, it makes you look like you've completely stopped trying to think for yourself. Remember, I said "stopped," that's because, like most on this forum, I used to assume your posts would be worth reading. Now you're basically E-Spicer.

What you say I posted to you...I won't ask that you find it because I know that's damn near impossible. I don't remember saying that AT all, though.

I support Trump. He's made mistakes. He's not a politician. I excuse him for many of them, and blame him for many as well. Yet he is honoring his promises right out of the box. You will agree with me, I think, that our country has never been so divided in recent history. I will not be part of that divisiveness with Trump any more than I was with Obama. I stuck up for him, and I'll stick up for Trump.

I won't miss your ignoring my posts. I don't even know who you are. If I ever choose to cut a POTUS to bits and pieces for doing what he was elected to do, perhaps we'll meet again.
 
Please tell us, what "news source" is non-biased, and trustworthy?

They are all biased. Some more than others. I watch mainstream ABC, NBC, CBS local 10:00 news and Fox occasionally, especially for breaking news and the first 100 days.

However, I have working brain cells. That certainly helps.
 
My thought is that your post represents one of the biggest threats to the American political system.
When you start attacking the free press because Dear Leader told you so... you are helping to place us on the path to fascism.

Oh, yeah, RickJames3000. I'm sure going to listen to you.
 
Oh, yeah, RickJames3000. I'm sure going to listen to you.

Of course... I understand Maggie.
Dear Leader is the only purveyor of the truth, as far as your concerned.
You are an extremely loyal subject.
 
They are all biased. Some more than others. I watch mainstream ABC, NBC, CBS local 10:00 news and Fox occasionally, especially for breaking news and the first 100 days.

However, I have working brain cells. That certainly helps.

Why do you watch things you deem to be "enemies of the truth"?

How do you determine what's true and what's false?

Do you go with far left and far right, and then in your mind meet somewhere in-between with what they both told you?

What's your litmus test for deciding what's true and what isn't?

Also, is Fox considered "mainstream"?
 
Why do you watch things you deem to be "enemies of the truth"?

How do you determine what's true and what's false?

Do you go with far left and far right, and then in your mind meet somewhere in-between with what they both told you?

What's your litmus test for deciding what's true and what isn't?

Also, is Fox considered "mainstream"?

My common sense is my litmus test, Dragonfly. Google is my friend. As to why I watch the news, probably so I can be on this site more than anything. And so I can put the stupid **** I read on Facebook into perspective. I'm not effected by POTUS actions and don't have long-term interests to protect, so I guess it keeps my brain busy.

I consider Fox News and Fox Business to be as mainstream as any cable news and more mainstream than most. Their 24 hour format is very helpful.
 
What if the real enemy is the President?
 
You must be new here. Read a little from the Cons on this site and you will quickly realize that NOT everyone knows what side Fox is on..

You believing otherwise is a HUGE laugh.
Doesn't take a Sherlock to prove you wrong on the first assertion.

While Fox could be completely unbiased and be considered, relative to the other cable/broadcast news organizations, right wing... and while it has more balance than most, it pretty plainly leans right.

As to your assessment of some of my fellow conservatives and how they label "news" organizations, sorry. I have seen very little in the past to inspire confidence in your assessments.
 
What you say I posted to you...I won't ask that you find it because I know that's damn near impossible. I don't remember saying that AT all, though.

I support Trump. He's made mistakes. He's not a politician. I excuse him for many of them, and blame him for many as well. Yet he is honoring his promises right out of the box. You will agree with me, I think, that our country has never been so divided in recent history. I will not be part of that divisiveness with Trump any more than I was with Obama. I stuck up for him, and I'll stick up for Trump.

I won't miss your ignoring my posts. I don't even know who you are. If I ever choose to cut a POTUS to bits and pieces for doing what he was elected to do, perhaps we'll meet again.

You don't know me because I'm not a partisan hack who says outrageous or hyperbolic things. People don't respond to posts that make sense and are backed by sound logic rather than BS. I use links and statistics and apologize when I am wrong. That's just no fun for 99% of this forum, apparently yourself included since I've only been here for a decade. I didn't say I'd ignore your posts, I said I will no longer assume that they lack the blindness caused by a loyalty to a horrific legislative and executive branch.

I do agree that the country has never been more divided. And Trump has put gasoline on that fire, and your posts echo his talking points which inflame partisan tensions. How does sticking up for Trump when he says he's sexually assaulted women REDUCE partisan tension? How does sticking up for Trump when he and his advisors like Steve Bannon say he's more or less fighting the freedom of the press (which he obviously can't do)? These are the hot button issues that are meaningless compared to taking away health care for millions of Americans and the incredibly stupid fair trade ideas he has that will harm our economy for a long, long time. That was my only point. If you honestly are against something - or ANYTHING - that Trump has done, saying it would build bridges, not burn them. That's something you should agree on and we should all agree on. Too much sense? Disregard. Get back to fighting because it's fun.
 
You don't know me because I'm not a partisan hack who says outrageous or hyperbolic things. People don't respond to posts that make sense and are backed by sound logic rather than BS. I use links and statistics and apologize when I am wrong. That's just no fun for 99% of this forum, apparently yourself included since I've only been here for a decade. I didn't say I'd ignore your posts, I said I will no longer assume that they lack the blindness caused by a loyalty to a horrific legislative and executive branch.

I do agree that the country has never been more divided. And Trump has put gasoline on that fire, and your posts echo his talking points which inflame partisan tensions. How does sticking up for Trump when he says he's sexually assaulted women REDUCE partisan tension? How does sticking up for Trump when he and his advisors like Steve Bannon say he's more or less fighting the freedom of the press (which he obviously can't do)? These are the hot button issues that are meaningless compared to taking away health care for millions of Americans and the incredibly stupid fair trade ideas he has that will harm our economy for a long, long time. That was my only point. If you honestly are against something - or ANYTHING - that Trump has done, saying it would build bridges, not burn them. That's something you should agree on and we should all agree on. Too much sense? Disregard. Get back to fighting because it's fun.

I have apologized on this forum as much or more than anyone. Both for being wrong and for being what I thought was too hard on someone. You are by no means alone in that. There are many posters who try to stay civil. EVEN WHEN WE ARE CALLED TRUMPTARDS, TRUMPETTES, TRUMPSTERS, IDIOTS, FOOLS, TRAITORS AND INSANE. And even when we are infracted for not quite as skillfully fighting back. This election cycle has turned many posters into different people. I'm fairly sure I'm one of them.

Donald Trump is being vilified by his opposition. He's done more in his first week in office than many presidents have done in a few years. He gets no credit from people who didn't vote for him, is vilified by the press, is lied on, his family is attacked. This is a sad day.

I will continue to call out lies on this forum. And hope I never stop defending ANY president who has the best interests of the American people at heart. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. He's not a politician. Do his supporters agree with everything he's doing? Of course not. But neither are they so quick to throw him under the bus.

If this sounds like flag waving and cheap patriotism, I apologize.
 
I have apologized on this forum as much or more than anyone. Both for being wrong and for being what I thought was too hard on someone. You are by no means alone in that. There are many posters who try to stay civil. EVEN WHEN WE ARE CALLED TRUMPTARDS, TRUMPETTES, TRUMPSTERS, IDIOTS, FOOLS, TRAITORS AND INSANE. And even when we are infracted for not quite as skillfully fighting back. This election cycle has turned many posters into different people. I'm fairly sure I'm one of them.

Donald Trump is being vilified by his opposition. He's done more in his first week in office than many presidents have done in a few years. He gets no credit from people who didn't vote for him, is vilified by the press, is lied on, his family is attacked. This is a sad day.

I will continue to call out lies on this forum. And hope I never stop defending ANY president who has the best interests of the American people at heart. Has he made mistakes? Of course he has. He's not a politician. Do his supporters agree with everything he's doing? Of course not. But neither are they so quick to throw him under the bus.

If this sounds like flag waving and cheap patriotism, I apologize.

Correction: Donald Trump is being vilified by his opposition. He's done more damage in his first week in office than many presidents have done in a few years.
 
Correction: Donald Trump is being vilified by his opposition. He's done more damage in his first week in office than many presidents have done in a few years.

That's how you feel today, Calamity. Let me know which way your wind blows tomorrow. And, of course, you are wrong.
 
I have apologized on this forum as much or more than anyone. Both for being wrong and for being what I thought was too hard on someone. You are by no means alone in that. There are many posters who try to stay civil. EVEN WHEN WE ARE CALLED TRUMPTARDS, TRUMPETTES, TRUMPSTERS, IDIOTS, FOOLS, TRAITORS AND INSANE. And even when we are infracted for not quite as skillfully fighting back. This election cycle has turned many posters into different people. I'm fairly sure I'm one of them.

If this sounds like flag waving and cheap patriotism, I apologize.

Deleted the middle. Large blocks of quote are unsightly, I apologize. The purpose of engaging you even though you weren't speaking to me is that the person you describe IS the person you sounded like before Trump came along (you have to be the only poster with more likes received than posts). I understand your justification for your defense of the President, but I think my approach is better. I have repeatedly said that I hope Trump does well and, more importantly, that America does well under Trump. That's it. I don't have to back him up on one damn thing. I just hope things work out.

All I can do is repeat what I said before - being critical of Trump when you feel he's done something wrong (like canceling a meeting with the President of Mexico via Twitter? It helps us heal by defending him for doing that?) shows that people backing Trump aren't like the media portray them.
 
Moderator's Warning:
People... quit the personal crap and the baiting.
 
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