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Legitimacy

Why do you openly show hateful basis towards your fellow Americans simply because they exercise their freedom to live where they want to live?

How can you support a system which gives some voters in some states FOUR times the weight behind their vote than other voters?

Ummm... Because it's what is legal.

What do you use to support your delusions of a thing that is not legal and not supported by law?

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Far as I am concern, Trump is the legitimate president elect. He won the old fashioned way of out campaigning Hillary Clinton in the last two weeks leading up to the election. This election was between two bum candidates that should never have been, but was. One of the bums had to lose. It just happened it was the Democratic bum who lost to the Republican bum. Run a decent candidate, one without so much baggage, one who America trusted and wasn't viewed as dishonest and corrupt, one who didn't laugh about putting our classified national security information at risk, etc., etc., etc,, that candidate would have beaten Trump by 10 or more points and probably carried not only Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, but Florida, North Carolina, Iowa as well.

Bottom line, candidates matter. Perhaps instead of crying about the Russians, it might be better if the Democrats choose a candidate the year of the general election instead of four years earlier. Situations and circumstances change, so to does the mood of the country.

I'm very interested in seeing what Trump can do.

We have been in the habit of electing great politicians who have no practical experience in running anything.

Trump was obviously the opposite. A not so great politician that has all kinds of experience running a large, complex organization.

I'm looking forward to observing the outcomes he produces.
 
Even if Russia did it AND it affected the outcome of the election, the results would still be valid. The leaked information was true. Now, if the results were affected by hacked voting machines then that would be a whole other story. But that didn't happen.

These jokers are grasping at straws.

Jill Stein, in response to the statement that the voting machines were not on line said that people were walking around with "floppy discs".

Floppy discs? My God! How old is she?

Jill Stein: People Walk Around With Floppy Disks to Hack Voter Machines
 
I'm very interested in seeing what Trump can do.

We have been in the habit of electing great politicians who have no practical experience in running anything.

Trump was obviously the opposite. A not so great politician that has all kinds of experience running a large, complex organization.

I'm looking forward to observing the outcomes he produces.

I haven't a clue how good or bad Trump will be. With all his foot in mouth disease during the campaign to include the primaries, he proved he wasn't a politician. Yes, it will be most interesting.
 
I haven't a clue how good or bad Trump will be. With all his foot in mouth disease during the campaign to include the primaries, he proved he wasn't a politician. Yes, it will be most interesting.

I have at least one meaningful negotiation almost daily.

Negotiating with a guy like Trump is a nightmare.

In negotiating for the USA he holds all the cards and he knows it.

I like that.
 
I have at least one meaningful negotiation almost daily.

Negotiating with a guy like Trump is a nightmare.

In negotiating for the USA he holds all the cards and he knows it.

I like that.

We shall see. I really don't know what to expect. So I am in a wait and see mode. After he has been president for a while will I make up my mind about him. Interesting times ahead, that is for sure.
 
We shall see. I really don't know what to expect. So I am in a wait and see mode. After he has been president for a while will I make up my mind about him. Interesting times ahead, that is for sure.

It is!

The rumor is that the Chinese have a curse that says, "May you live in interesting times".

I suppose we'll see.
 
It is!

The rumor is that the Chinese have a curse that says, "May you live in interesting times".

I suppose we'll see.

I forgot about that, being a curse I mean. I imagine it will be a curse to some and an exciting time for others. The question will be which one for us in the middle of the fray?
 
Why do you openly show hateful basis towards your fellow Americans simply because they exercise their freedom to live where they want to live?
That's just whiny sore loser speak. It has nothing to do with hatred or bias. It has to do with the fact our founders did not want a handful of densely populated states running everything.Its also why our house and senate is the way it is.

How can you support a system which gives some voters in some states FOUR times the weight behind their vote than other voters?

Why do you want only a handful of densely populated states to have all the say in who our president is.Why do you hate our founders, do you piss on their graves? See I can play that game too.
 
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1. The electoral College is in place. This is not a new thing. If you really want to change this, convene a constitutional convention.

Nobody is questioning the reality that the EC makes Trump President. But when it does that at the same time the American people vote in much larger numbers for his opponent - it takes a step toward staining him as illegitimate.

2. If Hillary had not committed the crime and then obstructed justice, destroyed evidence and delayed the investigation by every means, legal and illegal possible, this would have all been public 3 years ago. No matter what else is true of this, the actual crime, the cover up and the timing is squarely on Hillary and her team of criminals.

What crime? She has been convicted of no crime - let alone arrested and tried.

3. The person at Wikileaks said that the leaks did NOT come from the Russians.

And Lee Harvey Oswald looked right into a national news camera and said he did not kill Kennedy either. How naive and gullible are you?
 
Ummm... Because it's what is legal.

I know of nobody here or anywhere that questions the legality of the EC. So why do you bring it up to justify its use? Slavery was legal. Do you then approve of its usage?
 
That's just whiny sore loser speak.

Intentionally and purposely using a insulting pejorative to demean your opponents arguments renders your post not worthy of any serious reply.

Let me know when you want to discuss matters of nation policy as an adult without the petty insults.
 
Intentionally and purposely using a insulting pejorative to demean your opponents arguments renders your post not worthy of any serious reply.

Let me know when you want to discuss matters of nation policy as an adult without the petty insults.

:lamoPot meet kettle.

On this basis, from here on forward, you are going to have be equally serious and respecting poster. I look forward to it.

Trump is clearly illegitimate as a president. And for three very good reasons.

1- It is the very mechanism that puts him into office that renders him illegitimate at the same time - the Electoral College. Trump lost the popular vote by over 2,865,000 votes. And that will forever stain him since everyone knows he was NOT the choice of the American people.

Too bad that election results aren't based on the popular vote, and never have been. This is just based on yours (and other liberal / progressive's) fevered imagination it would seem.
It’s a dramatic uptick since the election. Trump’s favorability has grown 9 points, 37 percent to 46 percent
Poll: Trump's popularity soars after election

Heck, even just before the election it was neck and neck between them.


2- the illegal Comey letter the played a significant role in turning the election from Clinton to Trump over the last ten days of the campaign

Comey's letter was most certainly not illegal. He was obligated to congress to report any new findings in the case. He did.

3- the interference by the Russians in our election with their wikileaks releases which hurt Clinton

Trump is the most illegitimate President since Andrew Johnson took over in 1865.

To date, there's nothing that has substantiated the assumption that the Russians released any of the data they may or may not have obtained from the DNC to WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks has been consistent is saying their source isn't the Russians, and they have a 10 year history of not being required o issue any retractions, which is quite a track record.

I've found that basing conclusions and opinions on stronger facts make for better conclusions and opinions. You may want to give that a try. Just sayin'
 
I know of nobody here or anywhere that questions the legality of the EC. So why do you bring it up to justify its use? Slavery was legal. Do you then approve of its usage?

It's not legal today.
 
It's not legal today.

So what. It was at one time for a very long time. And legality is not any justification for the merit of anything.
 
So what. It was at one time for a very long time. And legality is not any justification for the merit of anything.

Of course it is.

The Supreme Court rarely uses only the letter of the law to determine what is legal at any particular moment.

The long and checkered history of this country's struggle with the legality of Slavery is evidence enough of that.

The justification of slavery was rationalized by the justices as being needed for the existence of the union. No slavery, no Union. No Union, no country and so it goes.

Times change.
 
If Putin's meddling in the US election tipped the scale in favor of Trump, does not that make Trump's presidency questionable?

Why is Trump so eager to downplay that possibility?

What's done is done. Trump will be our next president.

I think once we get passed that, we can truly address this communist invasion for what it truly is. And we can address it with one voice.

Right now, the Gop'er's and Trumper's think that lending validity to this hacking will be a blemish on Dear Leader's election and their loyalty to Dear Leader is stronger than their loyalty to America.

Any other time, these same hack denier's would be all for going after Russia for doing this. But as it stands, Dear Leader is firmly locking his lips around Putin's **** and many of his apostles seem to feel that they must follow suit, alongside Dear Leader. Even if it means siding with Russia over America to protect Dear Leader's crown.

That's how I see it.
 
Of course it is.

The Supreme Court rarely uses only the letter of the law to determine what is legal at any particular moment.

The long and checkered history of this country's struggle with the legality of Slavery is evidence enough of that.

The justification of slavery was rationalized by the justices as being needed for the existence of the union. No slavery, no Union. No Union, no country and so it goes.

Times change.

Except the justification here has been its the legal system that elected Trump and everybody is simply suppose to bend over the table and take it because of that. So lets face reality and not try to couch this in incites about history and the law and preserving the union.
 
Except the justification here has been its the legal system that elected Trump and everybody is simply suppose to bend over the table and take it because of that. So lets face reality and not try to couch this in incites about history and the law and preserving the union.

Ummm

No, it was the American people through the long established election system.

How pray-tell did the legal system elect Trump in your eyes?
 
Ummm

No, it was the American people through the long established election system.

How pray-tell did the legal system elect Trump in your eyes?

news flash for you: the election system is the legal system we have to elect a president.
 
News flash for you...

The "legal system" did not elect Trump.

The people did.

WOW!!!!!! I have rarely seen anyone intentionally get it so wrong just to pretend they can go one up. WOW!!!!!

I am NOT talking about the LEGAL SYSTEM that handles accusations of illegality, provides trials and adduction of those accusations. That is one kind of LEGAL SYSTEM and it should have been obvious any fair minded person that is NOT the context of this usage.

I am referring to the normal election process that results in the EC selecting the president - that is the legal (LEGAL as in according to the Constitution and law) system (SYSTEM as in the mechanism and steps in that mechanism) we have for selecting the President.

I would have thought the context of the discussion made that crystal clear.
 
WOW!!!!!! I have rarely seen anyone intentionally get it so wrong just to pretend they can go one up. WOW!!!!!

I am NOT talking about the LEGAL SYSTEM that handles accusations of illegality, provides trials and adduction of those accusations. That is one kind of LEGAL SYSTEM and it should have been obvious any fair minded person that is NOT the context of this usage.

I am referring to the normal election process that results in the EC selecting the president - that is the legal (LEGAL as in according to the Constitution and law) system (SYSTEM as in the mechanism and steps in that mechanism) we have for selecting the President.

I would have thought the context of the discussion made that crystal clear.

So, legal system does not = legal system.

Yes, you were so clear..... :lamo

I thought you were having Gorespasm a la 2000.
 
So, legal system does not = legal system.

Yes, you were so clear..... :lamo

I thought you were having Gorespasm a la 2000.

In the context we were speaking about the legal system was the legal mechanism to elect the President. Honestly, I think any honest person knew that and it was abundantly clear.
 
In the context we were speaking about the legal system was the legal mechanism to elect the President. Honestly, I think any honest person knew that and it was abundantly clear.

No, i got it.

Legal System does not mean Legal System.

Given the context of the elections the response to idea the Legal System (SCOTUS) gave the presidency to the Republicans is justified given the hand-wringer cries in 2000 and the recounts of 2016.

Just making sure you aren't one of those.
 
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