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Clinton announces ‘National Service Reserve’ for millennials

Tigerace117 said:
Frankly, giving back to the community would only be good. Lots of kids my age are self centered pricks. It'd be good for them to get out and actually do something nice for other people for a change.
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I have to agree.
 
MrPeanut said:
I don't have a problem with you viewing this as an overreach from the government. That's a perfectly reasonable stance. I call it conspiracy when you pretend like you can predict the future of these policies, and label them as Naziesque because you are then making an illogical leap. It's an article about creating a volunteer service that may aid in the current fiasco of college debt. Criticizing anybody is fine, but you are making baseless statements because of obvious bias.
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You can't predict the future of a policy in the same way you can't predict what will happen when you arm "moderate rebels" without giving them proper vetting...

Moderate Rebels use AMERICAN WEAPONS against AMERICAN soldiers.
 
reinoe said:
This isn't a military service where a drill instructor will kick ass and take names. She's advocating for Brownshirts. She's already insulted people who don't vote "the right way". The nonstop insulting of Bernie supporters, women who don't tow the line, "basket of deplorables". You can't expect someone like her to, who has constantly shown a hatred to huge swaths of the American populace, to somehow act in some benevolent non-partisan way when every aspect of her life is dictated by hating and crushing opposition. Hillary already has brownshirts shooting people, bodyslamming people, and threatening to kill people if they don't "vote correctly".

Man putting up Trump signs assaulted by two men wearing brownshirts.
Roving gangs patrol neighborhoods to ensure Hillary has complete support. Threaten to kill Trump supporter to keep him from voting.
Trump supporter shot by Hillary backer in an attempt to silence him.
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That is truly frightening. My opposition to Hillary used to be passive, just as my support of Bernie used to be passive. I used to think of Trump as the reincarnation of Hitler.

At last, my eyes are beginning to open.

This woman is ****ing evil.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
These are pieces of human ****.

And this is coming from me: a lifelong Democrat until this "election."
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Giving up on the Party of hope because stupid voters reward obstructionist behavior is just plain retarded.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Conflating this with a NWO or conspiracy-theorists immediately discredits anything further you can say. My point is proven.

But, by all means, continue grasping at straws to defend DEAR LEADER.
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Equating this with the Hitler Youth drops you rather firmly into conspiracy theory territory
 
Henrin said:
It's a program of messaging. You show the young that the state is good and helpful to you and in return you have their permission to do more. It's fairly transparent.
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The state is good and helpful sometimes. This is the stuff they should be doing
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Using people's financial standing as collateral to hold them as debt slaves is beyond 'Naziesque', its ****ing evil.

PEOPLE AREN'T ****ING PROPERTY.
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If you want tuition free colleges there are two positions that I am currently aware of. The first one is like what is implied in this article. People can voluntarily do x number of years of service in either the military or Peace Corps or whatever, and be rewarded with easily affordable college. The second way is to simply establish public colleges as tuition free. That means that the colleges will lose a lot of money thereby putting the quality of their education at great risk. If the state cannot afford to put extra funds towards these colleges then most likely the government will have to provide a lot of the money so there aren't zero schools in poorer states. If the government has to provide the state with money to fund their colleges the government will have more control over the college's programs. That sounds scarier to me than volunteer service.
 
TheGoverness said:
I have to agree.
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My school has a mandatory service hour program. You have to do fifteen hours of service every year until you graduate. It doesn't even have to be hard labor either; volunteering at a local animal shelter was how I got a lot of my hours.

It's a good program.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Equating this with the Hitler Youth drops you rather firmly into conspiracy theory territory
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A conspiracy theory is a belief that a secret conspiracy has actually been decisive in producing a political event or evil outcome which the theorists strongly disapprove of. You argument is invalid.
 
Tigerace117 said:
My school has a mandatory service hour program. You have to do fifteen hours of service every year until you graduate. It doesn't even have to be hard labor either; volunteering at a local animal shelter was how I got a lot of my hours.

It's a good program.
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It is an insult.
 
Tigerace117 said:
My school has a mandatory service hour program. You have to do fifteen hours of service every year until you graduate. It doesn't even have to be hard labor either; volunteering at a local animal shelter was how I got a lot of my hours.

It's a good program.
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Same here, but I also got some of my volunteer hours at a re-sale center.
 
MrPeanut said:
If you want tuition free colleges there are two positions that I am currently aware of. The first one is like what is implied in this article. People can voluntarily do x number of years of service in either the military or Peace Corps or whatever, and be rewarded with easily affordable college. The second way is to simply establish public colleges as tuition free. That means that the colleges will lose a lot of money thereby putting the quality of their education at great risk. If the state cannot afford to put extra funds towards these colleges then most likely the government will have to provide a lot of the money so there aren't zero schools in poorer states. If the government has to provide the state with money to fund their colleges the government will have more control over the college's programs. That sounds scarier to me than volunteer service.
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Your argument falls apart at the invalidation-singularity highlighted above.
 
Tigerace117 said:
My school has a mandatory service hour program. You have to do fifteen hours of service every year until you graduate. It doesn't even have to be hard labor either; volunteering at a local animal shelter was how I got a lot of my hours.

It's a good program.
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You're a slave and you don't even know it.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Your argument falls apart at the invalidation-singularity highlighted above.
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Why? You don't have to volunteer for anything. You can pay tuition if you want. I thought Libertarians were fine with paying for services.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The state is good and helpful sometimes. This is the stuff they should be doing
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Is it now? Tell me something, how are these helpful and good programs funded?
 
Tigerace117 said:
That was literally your argument. You are the one who compared it to the Hitler Youth.

Not my fault I pointed the absurdity out.
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So you agree that obstructionist behavior and disobedience should be punished with mandatory servitude with regard to debt by the system rightfully headed by a "Party of Hope" as your Comrade pointed out in post #67 above?

Are you that ill?
 
Abbazorkzog said:
So you agree that obstructionist behavior and disobedience should be punished with mandatory servitude with regard to debt slavery initiated by the "Party of Hope" as your Comrade pointed out in post #67 above?

Are you that ill?
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Are you trying to call me a Nazi or a Communist? Make up your damn mind already.

Personally I think you're so self centered you refuse to help out the homeless or conduct other services that benefit the community that's just plain out pathetic.

And as I've pointed out earlier, for a lot of my service hours I volunteered at a animal shelter. Hardly "debt slavery".
 
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