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A couple of Trump Supporters start to see the man they've been defending

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Ann Coulter suddenly realizes that Trump makes does stupid, immature things.

COULTER: Our candidate is mental! Do you realize our candidate is mental? It’s like constantly having to bail out your sixteen-year-old son from prison. Let’s move past last night’s tweet — you know perfectly well what tweet I’m talking about. This is the worst thing he’s done. I mean the McCain thing– I would say there are only really two, liberals would say “oh, every day”, no, everything else I could probably defend. I could. I think. Most of that is them overreacting… But the McCain thing, that was a dumb joke, it didn’t work. Oh, well. Didn’t kill him. But that tweet last night…

IANNOPOULOS: And he’s retweeting these images that are, like, ‘I don’t need to make implications, you know, the pictures speak for themselves.’ And a picture of Cruz’s wife and a picture of Melania!

COULTER: That’s exactly the tweet I’m talking about! No, you can’t defend it! This is when we’re bailing out sixteen-year-old out of jail!
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Newt Gingrich suddenly realizes that Trump's actions might make it difficult for him to unify the party (hah - ya think?)

GINGRICH: Tweeting about, or repeating a tweet about Mrs. Cruz is just utterly stupid. It has frankly, weakened everything that Trump ought to be strengthening. It sent a signal to women that is negative, at a time when his numbers with women are already bad. It sent a signal to instability to people who may be beginning to say, ‘maybe I’ve got to get used to it, maybe I’ve got to rely on him, maybe he could be presidential.’ ... This ought to be a wake-up call for Trump that he had better rethink what seem to be the underlying patterns of his campaign.... I’m not sure anybody in the Trump campaign understands yet what a big mistake this is. They can’t keep doing this stuff and think they’re going to get the nomination.
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Former Make America Great Again Communications Director:

If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so. The hard truth is: Trump only cares about Trump. And if you are one of the disaffected voters — one of the silent majority like me — who wanted a candidate who could be your voice, I want to speak directly to you as one of his biggest advocates and supporters. He is not that voice. He is not your voice. He is only Trump’s voice. Trump is about Trump. Not one of his many wives. Not one of his many “pieces of ass.” He is, at heart, a self-preservationist.
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Really? Ya Think?

Jim Geraghty aptly sums up my reaction:

Donald Trump didn’t suddenly change in the past few days, weeks or months. He’s the same guy he always was, the same guy that most of us in the conservative movement and GOP have been staunchly opposing for the past year. He didn’t abruptly become reckless, obnoxious, ill-informed, erratic, hot-tempered, pathologically dishonest, narcissistic, crude and catastrophically unqualified for the presidency overnight. He’s always been that guy, and you denied it and ignored it and hand-waved it away and made excuses every step of the way because you were convinced that you were so much smarter than the rest of us....

“Our candidate is mental?” No Shinola, Sherlock, some conservatives said this from day one and all we got for it was the alt-Right vomiting forth endless vitriol and profanity and threats. Oh, what’s that? Trump’s Twitter behavior is “utterly stupid”, Newt? Thanks for noticing; six days ago you were telling the media there was absolutely nothing about Trump that worries you. Maybe your previous comparison of Trump to Reagan was frankly, fundamentally, profoundly wrong from A to Z. “Trump only cares about Trump”? Gee, thank you, turncoat former insider, for this shocking bit of secret intelligence. News flash, some of us didn’t need to work for Trump for several months to figure that out. We saw it, we said it, and you called us liars for saying it....

Technically we’re supposed to welcome previous Trump fans-turned-foes with open arms. But barring some miraculous comeback by Ted Cruz, the Trump campaign will have cost the Republican Party the presidency after eight years of Obama, and perhaps the Senate and even the House – and Scalia’s replacement on the Court as well. Years of effort spent attempting to dispel the accusations of inherent Republican misogyny, xenophobia, hypocrisy, ignorance and blind rage have been undone by Trump’s campaign. And every Trump advocate in front of a camera had a hand in this. We’re not just gonna hug it out.
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No, we aren't.
 
The GOP establishment refused to enforce our borders.

The GOP establishment refused to talk about fighting ISIS in a serious manner.

The GOP establishment refused to say or do anything about our bad trade deals.

Now the GOP establishment is surprised that someone who addressed the things is getting support from the members. The can go into the corner and cry their bitter tears.
 
cpwill said:
No, we aren't.
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Good, because we're all tired of your talk and absolute lack of follow through. It's because of the milquetoast jackanapes you push on us with all your might that we are in this situation as a nation to begin with. The do nothing but spoil, so-called "conservative movement", can sink into the quagmire. Both parties have become parodies of when they were actual parties and that has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.
 
reinoe said:
The GOP establishment refused to enforce our borders.

The GOP establishment refused to talk about fighting ISIS in a serious manner.

The GOP establishment refused to say or do anything about our bad trade deals.

Now the GOP establishment is surprised that someone who addressed the things is getting support from the members. The can go into the corner and cry their bitter tears.
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Did you just imply a former communications director for Donald Trump and Ann Coulter are part of the GOP establishment? Let me ask you something...are there any members of the GOP, who don't currently support Trump, that you would classify as not being apart of the GOP establishment?
 
MrT said:
Did you just imply a former communications director for Donald Trump and Ann Coulter are part of the GOP establishment? Let me ask you something...are there any members of the GOP, who don't currently support Trump, that you would classify as not being apart of the GOP establishment?
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Newt Gingrich is certainly part of the establishment, but I did not mean to imply that anyone who criticises Trump is part of the establishment and that was not my intent. If that is what you took away from my post then I sincerely apologize for not being clear.

I was speaking of the broader point about the establishment as those are the people who are most vehemently opposed to Trump, and yet they are also the most confused as to why people support Trump despite his obvious flaws.
 
reinoe said:
The GOP establishment refused to enforce our borders.

The GOP establishment refused to talk about fighting ISIS in a serious manner.

The GOP establishment refused to say or do anything about our bad trade deals.

Now the GOP establishment is surprised that someone who addressed the things is getting support from the members. The can go into the corner and cry their bitter tears.
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Are you in all seriousness implying that Trump is addressing those issues in a serious manner? :lamo
 
clownboy said:
Good, because we're all tired of your talk and absolute lack of follow through. It's because of the milquetoast jackanapes you push on us with all your might that we are in this situation as a nation to begin with. The do nothing but spoil, so-called "conservative movement", can sink into the quagmire. Both parties have become parodies of when they were actual parties and that has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.
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Keep making that tent smaller and smalller.

Enjoy obscurity.
 
reinoe said:
The GOP establishment refused to enforce our borders.
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He criticized Romney's immigration plan in 2012 for being too harsh.

The GOP establishment refused to talk about fighting ISIS in a serious manner.
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Didn't he have the attitude of just let Russia deal with it?

The GOP establishment refused to say or do anything about our bad trade deals.
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A man who has his clothing line made in other countries can be trusted to do something about our bad trade deals?
 
Redress said:
Are you in all seriousness implying that Trump is addressing those issues in a serious manner? :lamo
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Everything to Trump must be viewed the prism of a negotiation.

How is Trump going to enforce our borders? Negotiation.

How is Trump going to fight ISIS in a serious manner? Negotiation.

How is Trump going to say or do anything about our bad trade deals? Negotiation.

How did Trump previously address those issues when the other members of the GOP establishment did not? Negotiation.
 
clownboy said:
Good, because we're all tired of your talk and absolute lack of follow through.
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:lol: says the man who is shocked to discover that the #NeverTrump movement means it.

It's because of the milquetoast jackanapes you push on us with all your might that we are in this situation as a nation to begin with.
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I think you are confusing your candidate with movement conservative candidates. If there is a milquetoast policy squish, it's the guy who last night declared that giving people healthcare and education were two of the three main jobs of the Federal Government.
 
MrT said:
Did you just imply a former communications director for Donald Trump and Ann Coulter are part of the GOP establishment? Let me ask you something...are there any members of the GOP, who don't currently support Trump, that you would classify as not being apart of the GOP establishment?
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GOP establishment = anyone who doesn't blindly follow Trump. Even Ted Cruz who is so anti establishment that fellow senators openly joke about murdering him.
 
beefheart said:
Keep making that tent smaller and smalller.

Enjoy obscurity.
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Yeah, that's why more and more people than ever before are showing up at the polls, because the tent is getting smaller. :lamo

Face it, the party membership isn't going to put up with the say anything do nothing asshats anymore. If that means we clean house, good riddance to bad rubbish, the dems can add them to their own steaming pile (that they have yet to deal with).
 
clownboy said:
Yeah, that's why more and more people than ever before are showing up at the polls, because the tent is getting smaller. :lamo

Face it, the party membership isn't going to put up with the say anything do nothing asshats anymore. If that means we clean house, good riddance to bad rubbish, the dems can add them to their own steaming pile (that they have yet to deal with).
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The angry extremists become even smaller in a general election. Can't win by making the tent smaller, thought the party learned that 4 years ago.
 
beefheart said:
The angry extremists become even smaller in a general election. Can't win by making the tent smaller, thought the party learned that 4 years ago.
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And once again, the turnout shows the only part of the party getting smaller are the anti-Trumpeteers. The rest of the party appears to be showing up to vote, in record numbers.
 
Zyphlin said:
Geraghty bringing the heat and the truth.
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National Review nonsense. He just wants to keep his one big client for his writings, it's about the paycheck. NR does not get to pick my candidate.
 
clownboy said:
National Review nonsense. He just wants to keep his one big client for his writings, it's about the paycheck. NR does not get to pick my candidate.
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Neither does a minority of voters, which is why if Trump FAILS and LOSES by not getting the necessary amount of delegates needed, as he knew he'd need when he went into this, then we'll thankfully wind up with anyone but Trump.

Here's hoping, as I'd prefer not to vote 3rd party. Trump supporters don't get to pick my candidate either.
 
clownboy said:
And once again, the turnout shows the only part of the party getting smaller are the anti-Trumpeteers. The rest of the party appears to be showing up to vote, in record numbers.
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Yeah..sure. When gets destroyed in general you will have to come up with some crazy conspiracy because you won't be able to handle the truth.
 
Ah, they were just holding out for bigger bribes.. The establishment is scared and finally decided to pay up..
 
beefheart said:
Yeah..sure. When gets destroyed in general you will have to come up with some crazy conspiracy because you won't be able to handle the truth.
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If that happens (I think it's foolish to assume he'll automatically lose) he won't need to make a conspiracy; the likely reason will be obvious. Conservatives who care more about ideology and principle than rhetoric, along with establishment/moderate types, won't turn out... democrats and independents won't in any way show up in similar crossover as in the primary .... And women in general will see horribly low turnout for him.

If he loses, it's because He'll have the same ridiculous foolish 30% of what is essentially 50% of the country, and that's it. The fact that he doesn't have the backing of a majority of the party will become evident and that's why he's lose.
 
beefheart said:
Yeah..sure. When gets destroyed in general you will have to come up with some crazy conspiracy because you won't be able to handle the truth.
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No. If Trump is the candidate and loses in the general, I'll mourn that we have to live with another President Clinton - but our country will continue to go on the same course it would under a President Cruz, a President Kasich - leveled, and just another part of the global combine.

I will blame the anti-Trumpeteers for clinging to their power and frustrating the change.

And btw, their never Trump bull**** isn't about principle at all. They've shown they don't give two ****s about principles, other than when they are stumping for election.
 
clownboy said:
And btw, their never Trump bull**** isn't about principle at all. They've shown they don't give two ****s about principles, other than when they are stumping for election.
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So in true Trump fashion, you're blame others for his own failure. Makes sense.

If Trump loses because he can not turn out large portions of the Republican base, doesn't appeal to Independents, and cannot get significant Democratic crossover....then the fault is not on the "anti-trumpeteers" but rather on Trump and his supporters failing at making a compelling argument why he should win the presidency.
 
Zyphlin said:
Conservatives who care more about ideology and principle...
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You owe me a new keyboard. Shooting soda out the nose hurts I might add.

But well done, hilarious sarcasm there...
 
Zyphlin said:
So in true Trump fashion, you're blame others for his own failure. Makes sense.

If Trump loses because he can not turn out large portions of the Republican base, doesn't appeal to Independents, and cannot get significant Democratic crossover....then the fault is not on the "anti-trumpeteers" but rather on Trump and his supporters failing at making a compelling argument why he should win the presidency.
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If that is why he loses, of course not. But if he loses because the party glitterati desperate to hold onto their power, NOT the base, throw money and advertising against him, their party's own candidate, as has not happened before, hell yes I would blame them.
 
clownboy said:
And once again, the turnout shows the only part of the party getting smaller are the anti-Trumpeteers. The rest of the party appears to be showing up to vote, in record numbers.
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[emoji38] 54% of likely voters now say they are #NeverTrump. Large primary turnout (which, historically, means nothing for the General), and Trump can barely break 40% - half those people are coming out to vote against him. About a third of GOP primary voters say they won't support him, and a majority of the population says they strongly disapprove of and are embarrassed by him.

Hopefully Cruz wins at the convention. But, if not, Trump is looking like he's gonna get crushed. By We The People. Who Have Had About Enough of his ****.

:) And his sycophants in the commentariat are starting -dimly- to realize it. :).
 
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