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"Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activists"

Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

At least one has already said he will.

But another is holding online polls, so I'm hoping Patrick Leahy is an exception.

the superdelegates won't overturn a Sanders victory, IMO. i think the likelihood of a Sanders victory is the real question, but that's for another thread.
 
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A decisive Sanders win? I agree, they won't overturn that. But if Sanders wins within a certain margin, they can and will overrule the people and go with who they want.

they can, but i don't believe that they will.
 
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A decisive Sanders win? I agree, they won't overturn that. But if Sanders wins within a certain margin, they can and will overrule the people and go with who they want.

they won't because the dems will have no chance in the general then, as sanders voters will just stay home. I can see a large number of hillary voters going for sanders, but not the other way around. She's too bought off and offers nothing worthwhile

actually, if cruz wins and trump still has momentum and runs as independent, she might have a chance even with half the dems staying home. That scenario would lead to the worst turnout ever
 
Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

A decisive Sanders win? I agree, they won't overturn that. But if Sanders wins within a certain margin, they can and will overrule the people and go with who they want.
I suspect that the democratic party would be badly hurt by such a move.
 
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Here's the CNN interview with her Majesty Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

Well, there you go, right out of the horse's mouth:

CNN Anchor:

"Clinton lost to Sanders by 22% points, the largest percentage point victory in a contested Democratic primary since John F. Kennedy, but it looks as though Clinton and Sanders are leaving [New Hampshire] with the same number of delegates in their pockets because Clinton has the support of New Hampshire's 'superdelegates,' these Party insiders. What do you tell voters, who're new to the primary process who says [that] this makes them feel like it's all rigged?"

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz:

"Well, let me just make sure that I can clarify exactly what was available [to Sanders and Clinton in the New Hampshire primary]. The unpledged delegates are a separate category; the only thing available on the ballot in a primary or caucus is the pledged delegates --those that are tied to [the voters' choices]. Unpledged [super]delegates exist, really, to make sure that Party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists. [Cue irrelevant buzzwords.]"​


Translation, "I will reinforce to them that, yes, I am trying to rig this." As far as I'm concerned, the Democratic Establishment is earning and working towards a serious collapse in their authority and power. #TimCanova2016 #FeeltheBern



PS: I cleaned up her language, because she was so obfuscatory during the interview discussion, I think so people would stop listening to the unconscionable, anti-democratic horse**** that was spewing out of her mouth.


good subject to bring up. Superdelegates are there to keep the status quo establishment types in power. it undermines what the voting process should be about.
Republicans this year have 103 superdelegates, Democrats have 712. While I'm glad it plays a much smaller role for republicans they both should get rid of them.
 
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Hey Bernie, how do you like redistribution of delegates?
 
Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

good subject to bring up. Superdelegates are there to keep the status quo establishment types in power. it undermines what the voting process should be about.
Republicans this year have 103 superdelegates, Democrats have 712. While I'm glad it plays a much smaller role for republicans they both should get rid of them.

Actually, unless I completely misunderstand things, this article indicates that the Republican superdelegates, at least, are not free to vote for whomever they wish: Can GOP 'superdelegates' stop Trump? | Washington Examiner
 
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IIRC, superdelegates were added in 1984 to reduce the possibility that an election disaster (McGovern) or a governing disaster (Carter) would get the nomination. As in Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others.

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Actually, unless I completely misunderstand things, this article indicates that the Republican superdelegates, at least, are not free to vote for whomever they wish: Can GOP 'superdelegates' stop Trump? | Washington Examiner

There aren't enough republican superdelegates to sway it like with dems. The republican superdelegates originate mostly from states with legislatures that are majority republican. so you would think that most of those would be status quo types.
However even so there are only 103 of them out of 2472 total delegates so unless its close they aren't going to swing anything.

Here is a page that details exactly where the delegates come from if you are curious

Republican Detailed Delegate Allocation - 2016
 
Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

I think you're underestimating how dirty Clinton's machine is and how depraved DWS is.

They're probably killing off Sanders delegates as we speak.
 
Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

They're probably killing off Sanders delegates as we speak.

Nahh. Hillary's people would just kill Sanders directly.
 
Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

IIRC, superdelegates were added in 1984 to reduce the possibility that an election disaster (McGovern) or a governing disaster (Carter) would get the nomination. As in Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others.

You are correct about the 1984 date for super-delegates.
Didn't save DEMs from the back-to-back disasters known as Mondale and Dukakis .
 
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Was just considering that if Sanders manages to get nominated, then manages to get elected, he'd be 79 at the end of his term and 83 if he got re-elected.

Would that make him the oldest president ever?

Edit: Apparently it would.

Oldest president thus far was Ronald Reagan, who was 77 when he left after 2 terms.
 
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Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

Nahh. Hillary's people would just kill Sanders directly.

Just wait for it.
 
Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

superdelegates is a broken concept. It help the democratic party pick who it wants rather than what the people want
 
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