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Sanders Supporters, Do You Sincerely Believe He Will Be the Nominee?

Will Sanders Win the Nomination? The Election?

  • Yes, I sincerely believe he will win the nomination.

    Votes: 4 21.1%

  • No, I do not believe he will win the nomination.

    Votes: 10 52.6%

  • Yes, I believe he will win the nomination and the general.

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • No, I believe he will win the nomination but not the general.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    19
Surrealistik said:
If he does win the nomination, I feel there is no question that he will win the General
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The Replicants have consistently won the legislative vote since 2010 because the lower-class groups feel no necessity to vote. They don't feel "part of the process"; and with the sort of Income Disparity that is rampant in the US, who can blame them.

But, these lost sheep must be found and returned to the fold. As well, those once in the fold but having been promoted to the Middle-class where they have a comfortable living have to be brought back as well. The Democrat Party, a purveyor of Social Democracy, must be more collective if it is to push the US out of the the past 30-years of "Reaganism" that has benefitted almost wholly the upper 10Percenters of our population.

If you haven't already, see the historic breakdown of Income Distribution (by Thomas Piketty) between "us" and "them" here. Note also, that the 10Percenter class does not start that far up the income-ladder as one might expect. (It begins at about $150K per household; or two adults making $75K, or some other such breakdown in total household income.)

Note also, just for the record, that the Median* Household Income is $52K per year.

*Median means that point half-way between the lowest and highest value.
 
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Captain America said:
Does the idea of Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump actually becoming a US President scare the **** out of anyone other than myself?
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People complained how lousy Carter was and then they complained about Bush being a moron and now they are complaining that Obama is the worst........... Well hang on there chief, 2016 is going to be a grand slam of the worst thing we have ever seen in this country. It has came to this.
 
I don't think he will win, but that won't stop me from spreading the Bern. His popularity makes me hopeful for the future.
 
Re: About Social Democracy

Lafayette said:
A SOCIAL DEMOCRACY

You may know that Bernie is the only Senator who is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

What you may not know is the Congressional Progressive Promise.

The number of progressives (see the list here) in the HofR does not amount to more than about 15% of the total. Which is not miniscule, but neither is it dismissable.

If we want any real democratic change towards Progressive Values, it is in enlarging this caucus that we, the people, will be able to brinng it about. What are those values?

May I suggest, as much as America seems to confuse Socialism for Communism, that you inform yourself regarding Social Democracy - that is the major current of most countries that constitute the European Union.

At the heart of that concept is a notion called Social Justice.

Now contrast it with legal system prevalent in the US, based upon Common Law, called Civil Justice.

Now it's up to we, the people, to decide how to blend the two to obtain more fairness and equitability in the nation. Because, clearly, Civil Justice is orientated towards protecting individual property rights whereas Social Justice protects the collective rights in which we all share.

Both must be made to coexist in any well-functioning market-economy, or what results is the sort of societal unfairness that we see all too often in our collective "homeland" ...
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The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest caucus in congresshttp://cpc-grijalva.house.gov/caucus-members/ with 69 declared members. I don't know where you got this "only member" thing from.

*edit... i see. Only Senator. The rest are in the House.
 
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{"Do you want me to spell it out for you? Ok, pay attention: R E T A R T E D ! Obama is retarted.}

Yes! A precious jewel of a remark from the Retarded Right!

More Obama-tart please!

The smartest PotUS to have come along since JFK/Clinton (and the first black), so we treated him like an object from outer space.

Diumber than dumb is what we've beccome ...
 
Long shot. But I can hope, nay fight like the country's future depends on it, which it does.
 
Sherman123 said:
How do you think a lack of party support will affect him?
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Money and organization. It's huge in the primary. But Secretary Clinton cannot seem to break free of the It's-my-turn / I'm-entitled mentality and is having to play catch up on message which is death to a front runner. Chasing from the front is a loser and validates the challenger. Plus she can't attack a candidate who speaks to exactly what Dems are thinking and feeling. So she came out with organization and the Dem apparatus solidly in her court (Reich, Moyers, Albright, et al adding their vocal support) but had zero message beyond "I'm qualified because I was Sec State." Entitled + Qualified < Message. Sanders came out with the winner in the minds of most Dem voters and a long shot + help from Hillary being out of touch might see a 2008 redux. But it's still a long way to the convention. She can recover by getting out in front on message and we have another 8 years of Bush 43 economic policy on top of the 16 that have turned the middle class into a minority group.

Sanders is our only hope of rolling back the failed policies that got us here and are still in full swing.
 
Captain America said:
Does the idea of Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump actually becoming a US President scare the **** out of anyone other than myself?
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The former gives me hope we can fix things (un-ruin things) and the latter makes me laugh since Trump is serving his attention need nay certifiable pathology and will implode under its own absurdity long before the convention. So neither scares me. But one is a novel sideshow and might help illustrate how stupid bigotry is to the betterment of the society.
 
Sisyphus said:
The former gives me hope we can fix things (un-ruin things) and the latter makes me laugh since Trump is serving his attention need nay certifiable pathology and will implode under its own absurdity long before the convention. So neither scares me. But one is a novel sideshow and might help illustrate how stupid bigotry is to the betterment of the society.
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Well, you gotta give it to Trump. He brought the cockroaches out from under the proverbial rock and all of America, (especially those who have had their head buried in the sand), has been given an "in your face," look at some of the lowest denominator classes in American society. He has exposed what I have been trying to expose for years. Ain't no denying it now. The GOP has been coddling these misfits for way too long.

They are out there folks. Time to quit ignoring them and finally stand up to them. They are a minority of a minority. We give them WAY to much significance.
 
Yes, this primary seemingly mirrors 2008. And we all know how how 2008 turned out.
 
I will vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary to "Send them a message," which was a pro Wallace slogan in 1968.

At the age of 74 I doubt that he can retain the intellectual and physical vigor to govern effectively, although he seems to have it now.

My disappointments with President Obama have convinced me that good intentions are not good enough. One must have the competence to turn good intentions into good laws that have good results. President Obama faced less serious problems than President Roosevelt, but his response has been less successful. After two years Roosevelt demonstrated to average Americans that the government can make a positive difference in their lives. After seven years, Obama has still not demonstrated that. That is why lower income whites continue to vote Republican.

For years public opinion surveys have indicated growing support for socialism. I am glad that Bernie Sanders is talking about socialist solutions to our problems. Nevertheless, I think Hillary Clinton has the ability to determine which of Sanders' proposals can be achieved in four years. I think she will administer them so that they are effective.
 
I'm not a democrat, but I've been considering changing my registration to democrat specifically to vote for Sanders in my state's primary.

I'd like to see him be the nominee, and I suspect he would win the election if he was.
 
It's happening. New Hampshire locked, and Iowa is a tie with all the momentum towards Bernie. He's likely to win both primaries, at which point the newsmakers who haven't already will be forced to reassess the situation, and his largest disadvantage, the notion that he's not a possible candidate or electable in the general, will evaporate, and given the success he's achieved in spite of that handicap, his momentum will quickly destroy Hillary after. Hillary knows she's losing, and her attacks are getting more wild, abstract, and fatuously hyperbolic (she's devolved to third tier republican already!). She's in an impossible situation herself: her biggest unfavorable is her perceived dishonesty, but to make up her numbers at all she has to either radically shift her positions (again) or simply be even more dishonest, both of which would hasten her defeat.

The only hope Hillary has is a rigged election. Either at the hands of the DNC, or by the convention delegates blatantly throwing democracy out the window by ignoring their state primary results. Unfortunately, both are plausible this time around.
 
Captain America said:
Does the idea of Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump actually becoming a US President scare the **** out of anyone other than myself?
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Would you vote for any republican candidate/ ticket over bernie?
 
Fruityfact said:
Would you vote for any republican candidate/ ticket over bernie?
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No.

But I would vote for Rubio (or hold my nose and vote Cruz,) before I would vote for Hillary.

If it's between Hillary or Trump, I won't even bother voting. Six of one half dozen of the other.
 
Captain America said:
No.

But I would vote for Rubio (or hold my nose and vote Cruz,) before I would vote for Hillary.

If it's between Hillary or Trump, I won't even bother voting. Six of one half dozen of the other.
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Reasoning if I may ask?
I feel like not liking Hillary is the popular thing to do these days.
 
Fruityfact said:
Reasoning if I may ask?
I feel like not liking Hillary is the popular thing to do these days.
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Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

I am one who remembers all the shenanigans and scandals and underhandedness of the Clinton administration. And Hillary was more than just the "first lady." I trust her as far as I can throw her.

That's why.
 
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