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    Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Rush Limbaugh analyzed that data thoroughly and predicted a landslide victory by Romney.

    Republicans will win in a landslide says Rush and Morris - St. Petersburg Political Buzz | Examiner.com


    Was it voter fraud that turned the election the other way?

    Voter Fraud Charges Begin in Ohio


    Or did Obama rig the voting machines?

    Did Obama Rig the Voting Machines?

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Or Rush LImpdick just got it wrong and Obama appealed to more people than Romney. Also, you are assuming that voting fraud was on the part of the people that voted for Obama and not Romney.

    But hey, we know you have sour grapes, so whatever floats your conspiracy boat.

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Nonsense, while some voter fraud is happening (despite the left claiming that ballot fraud is either "rare" or non-existant), it can not possibly explain enough of the margin that Obama got to make it "the" cause of his victory. By zooming in on "strange" or "unprecedented" changes in some (but very, very few) district's voting trends makes it look "possible", but stand back for a minute and reverse/revise these "anomalies" back to the 2008 levels and Obama still wins, so my feeling is that, yes, voter/election official fraud still happens but fixing the system's problems (voter ID laws, better poll monitoring systems) is a better use of one's efforts than to try to reverse history (not possible) and rant about how "infair" political life has become.
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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Again - 12 million people *less* voted this time than in 2008.

    Why is that? It had nothing to the BS white/black/Asian voting - it had everything to do with the Republican candidate. He wasn't likable. He didn't appeal to the electorate.

    Any local party leader without integrity can "rig" elections. There are hundreds of consultant agencies that contract 'a winning ticket'. I am sure it happened on both sides equally. When they can buck they system - they will.

    The only difference is that we are in the information age. More people are beginning to realize what is really going on.
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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Because a lot of people will type really angrily and with passion in this thread nobody will read this:

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense, while some voter fraud is happening (despite the left claiming that ballot fraud is either "rare" or non-existant), it can not possibly explain enough of the margin that Obama got to make it "the" cause of his victory. By zooming in on "strange" or "unprecedented" changes in some (but very, very few) district's voting trends makes it look "possible", but stand back for a minute and reverse/revise these "anomalies" back to the 2008 levels and Obama still wins, so my feeling is that, yes, voter/election official fraud still happens but fixing the system's problems (voter ID laws, better poll monitoring systems) is a better use of one's efforts than to try to reverse history (not possible) and rant about how "infair" political life has become.
    While I agree with you sentiment. Shouldn't we actual prove fraud? I mean it was a republican who put this as a voter suppression effort, not liberals alone. So, as is the custom, those claiming there is fraud have a responsibility to prove it is real and significant, and that voter ids will fix the problem they prove.

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I agree with you sentiment. Shouldn't we actual prove fraud? I mean it was a republican who put this as a voter suppression effort, not liberals alone. So, as is the custom, those claiming there is fraud have a responsibility to prove it is real and significant, and that voter ids will fix the problem they prove.
    Not so fast there skippy, if you now have no way to verify who actually voted as J. Q. Public, how do you possibly prove fraud? The concept of presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID to buy alcohol/tobacco/guns/ammo or to cash a check is very widely accepted, one did not have to "prove" that fraud was widespread in order to implement these common sense protections; common sense alone dictates that without any system to positively relate actual voters to eligible voters, the idea of one man one vote is hard (if not impossible) to verify. I have yet to hear a huge cry to reverse these "discriminatory burdens" upon those that lack ID to enjoy buying alcohol/tobacco or cash their tax refund checks. If simply reciting any name/address combination of a registered voter is sufficient then one needs only that voter registraion list to vote as many times as they wish to; that is obvious to most folks.
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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not so fast there skippy, if you now have no way to verify who actually voted as J. Q. Public, how do you possibly prove fraud? The concept of presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID to buy alcohol/tobacco/guns/ammo or to cash a check is very widely accepted, one did not have to "prove" that fraud was widespread in order to implement these common sense protections; common sense alone dictates that without any system to positively relate actual voters to eligible voters, the idea of one man one vote is hard (if not impossible) to verify. I have yet to hear a huge cry to reverse these "discriminatory burdens" upon those that lack ID to enjoy buying alcohol/tobacco or cash their tax refund checks. If simply reciting any name/address combination of a registered voter is sufficient then one needs only that voter registraion list to vote as many times as they wish to; that is obvious to most folks.
    Prove someone voted who wasn't suppose to. Why do you guys so often think nothing can be proven? Investigate.

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Prove someone voted who wasn't suppose to. Why do you guys so often think nothing can be proven? Investigate.
    PolitiFact Texas | Greg Abbott says state proved in court that more than 200 dead people voted in the latest Texas elections

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

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    Rush Limbaugh analyzed that data thoroughly and predicted a landslide victory by Romney.
    Funniest line of the day. The idea of Limbaugh analyzing anything thoroughly is a very hilarious concept.
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