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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Can you show that a voter ID cannot be forged? I remember the people at my polling place and one of the ladies there had trouble even seeing the drivers license I presented. What makes you think these people are going to detect false IDs?

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Again - 12 million people *less* voted this time than in 2008.

    Why is that?
    3 million of those came from New York and New Jersey and could well be attributed to the SANDY storms and subsequent difficulties.
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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Can you show that a voter ID cannot be forged? I remember the people at my polling place and one of the ladies there had trouble even seeing the drivers license I presented. What makes you think these people are going to detect false IDs?
    No system is likely to be 100% infallible, but certainly an improvement over simply guessing that one is who they say that they are. Should we strike down use of ID for purchase of alcohol/tobacco, driving and tell TSA officials/bank tellers just to "trust their instincts"?
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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    From you first link:

    His claim rates Mostly False.

    And from your second link:

    It is easier to determine how many names of deceased people still appear on official voter registration lists than it is to determine how many (if any) actual votes were fraudulently cast in the name of a deceased person.

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Prove someone voted who wasn't suppose to. Why do you guys so often think nothing can be proven? Investigate.
    It has been proven. I've posted the video a few time on this forum. I'll post it again if you want me to. But a news reporter investigated for 3 months, 3 counties in florida where around 300 people voted that was not suppose to vote. Thats 100 fradulent votes per county. There are 67 counties in Florida total. That means that if each country had the same amount, 100, that is 6,700 fraudulent votes cast in Florida alone. There's 254 counties in Texas, applying the same amount (using it as average) thats 25,400 fraudulent votes cast. So on and so forth.

    And those 300 were just the ones that he had with his limited resources. Do you know why he was able to find them and yet election officials can't ever seem to find them? Because they have to follow a procedure which does not include any of the ones that the reporter used. Like Jury summons where those that are not eligible to be on a jury because they were not citizens stated that they were not citizens, even though thier voter registration said that they were.

    Oh I know, the common excuse that "just because they were registered to vote doesn't mean that they did". Yeah, there is no way to know whether they voted or not, but do you not see that as a problem? They're certainly registered to vote and yet despite that you're quite willing to assume that they didn't vote. Why is that?

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    From you first link:

    His claim rates Mostly False.

    And from your second link:

    It is easier to determine how many names of deceased people still appear on official voter registration lists than it is to determine how many (if any) actual votes were fraudulently cast in the name of a deceased person.
    So even you have "proven" that the current system of simply reciting a name/address combination of a registered voter is NOT going to hamper voter fraud. That is the basis for coming up with improvements, discovering flaws, even "potential" flaws, in a system and taking corrective action. It is not proven that stairway rails prevent all accidents, yet we accept that they are good ideas, even while most people do not use them.
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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Again - 12 million people *less* voted this time than in 2008.

    Why is that? It had nothing to the BS white/black/Asian voting - it had everything to do with the Republican candidate. He wasn't likable. He didn't appeal to the electorate.

    Any local party leader without integrity can "rig" elections. There are hundreds of consultant agencies that contract 'a winning ticket'. I am sure it happened on both sides equally. When they can buck they system - they will.

    The only difference is that we are in the information age. More people are beginning to realize what is really going on.
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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It has been proven. I've posted the video a few time on this forum. I'll post it again if you want me to. But a news reporter investigated for 3 months, 3 counties in florida where around 300 people voted that was not suppose to vote. Thats 100 fradulent votes per county. There are 67 counties in Florida total. That means that if each country had the same amount, 100, that is 6,700 fraudulent votes cast in Florida alone. There's 254 counties in Texas, applying the same amount (using it as average) thats 25,400 fraudulent votes cast. So on and so forth.

    And those 300 were just the ones that he had with his limited resources. Do you know why he was able to find them and yet election officials can't ever seem to find them? Because they have to follow a procedure which does not include any of the ones that the reporter used. Like Jury summons where those that are not eligible to be on a jury because they were not citizens stated that they were not citizens, even though thier voter registration said that they were.

    Oh I know, the common excuse that "just because they were registered to vote doesn't mean that they did". Yeah, there is no way to know whether they voted or not, but do you not see that as a problem? They're certainly registered to vote and yet despite that you're quite willing to assume that they didn't vote. Why is that?
    It is true that you have to show they voted. There is a difference between registration fraud and voter fraud.

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So even you have "proven" that the current system of simply reciting a name/address combination of a registered voter is NOT going to hamper voter fraud. That is the basis for coming up with improvements, discovering flaws, even "potential" flaws, in a system and taking corrective action. It is not proven that stairway rails prevent all accidents, yet we accept that they are good ideas, even while most people do not use them.
    There is probably good evidence concerning stair rails (ask your home insurance agent). Again, you have to it happens, is a significant problem and that your solution will fix it. The burden is on your side.

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    Re: Election 2012 - Voter Fraud or Rigged Machines?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Rush Limbaugh analyzed that data thoroughly and predicted a landslide victory by Romney.

    Republicans will win in a landslide says Rush and Morris - St. Petersburg Political Buzz | Examiner.com


    Was it voter fraud that turned the election the other way?

    Voter Fraud Charges Begin in Ohio


    Or did Obama rig the voting machines?

    Did Obama Rig the Voting Machines?
    How sadly predictable. As I said a few months ago when the polls were the conspiracy du jour among the conservative entertainment machine.

    Step 1: Assume Everyone thinks like you.
    Step 2: Apply stupidity to polls to make them agree with Step 1.
    Step 3: Go to election day confidently predicting victory because of Step 2:
    Step 4: After you lose on election day, assume fraud because of Step 3:.

    That said, there was a lot more fraud this election than in previous elections. Granted it was mostly done by the GOP, but it was substantially more.

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