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Not too fast Liberals

Amigo said:
You might have not won the election. The facts are presented in this Townhall article.

Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud - Rachel Alexander - Page 1
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Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns? The most realistic explanation is voter fraud in a few swing states. According to the Columbus Dispatch, one out of every five registered voters in Ohio is ineligible to vote. In at least two counties in Ohio, the number of registered voters exceeded the number of eligible adults who are of voting age. In northwestern Ohio's Wood County, there are 109 registered voters for every 100 people eligible to vote. An additional 31 of Ohio's 88 counties have voter registration rates over 90%, which most voting experts regard as suspicious. Obama miraculously won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland, and received over 99% of the vote where GOP inspectors were illegally removed.

The inflated numbers can't just reflect voters who have moved, because the average voting registration level nationwide is only 70%. The vast majority of voters over the 70% level are not voting because they want to, they are voting because someone is getting them to cast a vote, one way or another. Those 31 counties are most likely the largest counties in Ohio, representing a majority of Ohio voters. This means the number of votes cast above the 70% typical voter registration level easily tops 100,000, the margin Obama won Ohio by.
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If that's really true? The opposition would be screaming bloody-murder.
 
From the article:
So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?
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Stopped there. Obama was the favorite, especially in terms of "historical patterns." Your article is a hack job. Republicans can either grow up and reexamine how their party needs to change or continue to make excuses and lose over and over again. For the record, when your party uses personal responsibility as the justification for many of its policies and readily dismisses other people's explanations for their situations as "excuses," then you lose credibility when you blame everything but yourself when your party loses an election. Take responsibility, re-evaluate and move on.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
From the article:


Stopped there. Obama was the favorite, especially in terms of "historical patterns." Your article is a hack job. Republicans can either grow up and reexamine how their party needs to change or continue to make excuses and lose over and over again. For the record, when your party uses personal responsibility as the justification for many of its policies and readily dismisses other people's explanations for their situations as "excuses," then you lose credibility when you blame everything but yourself when your party loses an election. Take responsibility, re-evaluate and move on.
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I would like to see some explanation for counties that turned in more votes than they had eligible voters.
 
In 2000, there were precincts in cleveland where every ballot that was counted was for Gore
in 1996 the same areas had given 35-40% of the vote to Ohio Loser Dole

I have no doubt there was vote fraud on behalf of Obama in Ohio-whether it swung the state-I don't know
 
ThePlayDrive said:
From the article:


Stopped there. Obama was the favorite, especially in terms of "historical patterns." Your article is a hack job. Republicans can either grow up and reexamine how their party needs to change or continue to make excuses and lose over and over again. For the record, when your party uses personal responsibility as the justification for many of its policies and readily dismisses other people's explanations for their situations as "excuses," then you lose credibility when you blame everything but yourself when your party loses an election. Take responsibility, re-evaluate and move on.
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Yeah, I winced at that term, but just because one term is off a little doesn't mean the FACTS she presented aren't off.
 
The way i see this, an extremely conservative person is trying to justify Mitt Romney's loss to something besides the GOP being stuck in the 1950's in respect to social issues. I see it as somebody trying to justify Obama having the best ground game America has ever seen. I see it as somebody trying to give an excuse why the GOP could not defeat the weakest Presidential-reelect in recent history. I see it as somebody trying to justify that Mitt Romney shot himself in the foot dozens of times while the Obama campaign did not inflict damage upon themselves.
 
If there is any truth to this, we will see how the lawsuits hold up. Until then, its not worth looking at.
 
iacardsfan said:
The way i see this, an extremely conservative person is trying to justify Mitt Romney's loss to something besides the GOP being stuck in the 1950's in respect to social issues. I see it as somebody trying to justify Obama having the best ground game America has ever seen. I see it as somebody trying to give an excuse why the GOP could not defeat the weakest Presidential-reelect in recent history. I see it as somebody trying to justify that Mitt Romney shot himself in the foot dozens of times while the Obama campaign did not inflict damage upon themselves.
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:shock: You got that right! He got all those people to vote multiple times!
 
Amigo said:
Yeah, I winced at that term, but just because one term is off a little doesn't mean the FACTS she presented aren't off.
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Here are the "facts" in question:

Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible.

Another 31 counties show registrations at more than 90 percent of those eligible, a rate regarded as unrealistic by most voting experts. The national average is a little more than 70 percent.
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1. It's unsurprising that 13 people may have moved or be off to college and are still registered.
2. If the national average is 70%, then it's unsurprising that some areas have 90% or higher. Someone is making something out of absolutely nothing.

What the Dispatch is doing is taking unremarkable and easily explainable "inconsistencies" and turning them into a conspiracy theory because somebody can't admit they lost the election.
 
The Republican Party Godfathers are not going to protest this one bit. What does that tell you?
 
iacardsfan said:
The way i see this, an extremely conservative person is trying to justify Mitt Romney's loss to something besides the GOP being stuck in the 1950's in respect to social issues. I see it as somebody trying to justify Obama having the best ground game America has ever seen. I see it as somebody trying to give an excuse why the GOP could not defeat the weakest Presidential-reelect in recent history. I see it as somebody trying to justify that Mitt Romney shot himself in the foot dozens of times while the Obama campaign did not inflict damage upon themselves.
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Sure they did, It's just that the media ran blocker for much....Plus they did have Biden....
 
Amigo said:
amen!
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Well, I don't think that there was a massive electoral fraud campaign that won the election for the President. His victory was simply too wide spread for that, and the votes match what we saw of the voter demographics.

But any election fraud should be hunted down and it's practitioners punished with the maximum available sentence.
 
That'll be a lot of pastors paying taxes for their pulpit politicking...
 
TurtleDude said:
In 2000, there were precincts in cleveland where every ballot that was counted was for Gore
in 1996 the same areas had given 35-40% of the vote to Ohio Loser Dole

I have no doubt there was vote fraud on behalf of Obama in Ohio-whether it swung the state-I don't know
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Well look on the bright side. 0 is a lame duck and he will be out in 4 years!
 
Maenad said:
Well look on the bright side. 0 is a lame duck and he will be out in 4 years!
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hpefully before he can replace any conservative judges on the USSC
 
Three points concerning Ms. Alexander's piece:

1. The Presidential election is decided by electoral votes, not the popular vote. Although numerous polls suggested the possibility that Governor Romney might win the popular vote, the polls in the battleground states largely leaned the President's way.

Polling Center- 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

2. The reported number of eligible voters might well be dated material. Certainly, the Romney campaign has not raised legal objections to the alleged issue of registered voters exceeding eligible voters. Even if Ohio had gone Governor Romney's way, President Obama had won all the other battleground states and would still have won the election.

3. Perceptions about the economy were improving. The data from the exit polls, direction of the country, and consumer sentiment surveys confirms those perceptions.

Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Direction of Country

Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index Rose to 82.6 in October - Bloomberg

Although it might be difficult, even painful, for Ms. Alexander to accept the outcome of the election, it is essential that conservatives have the courage and willingness to analyze the situation objectively. If not, they will find it difficult to improve their competitiveness in future elections.
 
cpwill said:
But any election fraud should be hunted down and it's practitioners punished with the maximum available sentence.
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The voting system we have sucks. It sucked when a Republican President was elected and it sucks now for you that a Democrat President was elected.

Did the Reps do anything about it when they had both houses and a sitting president? Did the Dems do anything about it when they had both houses and a sitting president?

I think your answer reveals a lot about the two parties.

In this day and age when I can use my debit card anywhere in America without problem why haven't we come up with a uniform voting system? My god, the damn candidates spent a billion each on this election and I still have memories of a man looking at a hanging chad. They have no one to blame but themselves.
 
In all honesty, Romney would have been the first to make a stink about it if he believed he actually had a a chance to come back and win.
 
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