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Not too fast Liberals

Kurmugeon said:
No one on the Right or in the Center of politics insists upon or even believes in the "Credible Main Stream Media" anymore.
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The only folks who have a problem with the mainstream media are far right hacks who have been brainwashed by Limbaugh and Fox into believing that the only *real* news is the blatantly biased blather that they put out.
 
Bill Tetley said:
You do understand that the Ulsterman blog is fanfiction. Right?

And never reference Free Republic to prove a factual point.
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You do realize that the Main Stream Media no longer has any jouralistic integrity, and if you're going to have any idea what's going on, you have turn to alternative media...


I don't accept anything ANYONE says on face value. But if you check out the stories, they begin to paint a picture of what's happening.


If you look into the history and past statements of Valerie Jarrett, where she was at the time the above quote was made, and who she was speaking to, and what a number of well placed people refused to deny about this story being TRUE, you begin to see that SOMETHING close to the story happened, but we'll never know exactly what.


After the 2012 Presidential Campaign Season MSM media Blackout of stories such as:

Benghazi Rescue Withholding,
Green Energy Scams,
Democratic Voter Fraud,
Activist Judge Voter ID law suppression,
Fast and Furious,
Brazilian Gulf Oil Drilling with U.S. Loan Gaurentees,
Eric Holder Black Imunity to Voter Intimidation Prosecution

I would say that alternative media sources have MORE credibility than the MSM.


Insisting upon MSM sources is a sure sign you're a leftie Hack.


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cpwill said:
I would like to see some explanation for counties that turned in more votes than they had eligible voters.
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That's easy, it's a lie.
Just like the statement that Romney was leading in polls. He was losing for the entire campaign.
 
Doesn't this belong in the Conspiracy theory section, which was designed for this sort of lunatic fringe paranoia?
 
In other words it seems some republicans have sank to the level of; time to pull **** out of our ass and make stuff up because we can really not face reality

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iguanaman said:
That's easy, it's a lie.
Just like the statement that Romney was leading in polls. He was losing for the entire campaign.
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The Lefties keep telling us that anyone who says anything other than what the Lefties are saying is a lie...


Occam's Razor.
 
Maenad said:
Well look on the bright side. 0 is a lame duck and he will be out in 4 years!
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Yep, and considering what Romney said at the Al Smith dinner, that the current administration is "brought to you by the letter 'O' and the number 16,000,000,000", there ain't gonna be much done at all in his second term, as the Pres. has gotta be too flat out exhausted to even get out of bed, and the Mrs. must be rather worn out as well. 16 trillion -- that's gotta be a record!
 
Maenad said:
Well look on the bright side. 0 is a lame duck and he will be out in 4 years!
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There are already several different groups of sycophantic Obama supporters trying to start movements to amend the constitution to allow Obama to run for a Third Term.


I'm just saying...
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Um, OK, but that makes it sound like Rush and Fox have 47% (or more) of the folks on their side.

See link: Poll: Media bias worse than money in politics | WashingtonExaminer.com
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Sadly they do have a big audience, though I wouldn't put it anywhere near 47%. But it's pretty clear where you are on the continuum, citing a right wing blog to try to make the point that mainstream media is biased. It's actually comical that the rightie blog is citing Rasmussen, which tied for most biased and wrong pollster in the 2012 election.

You have been assimilated.

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AdamT said:
Sadly they do have a big audience, though I wouldn't put it anywhere near 47%. But it's pretty clear where you are on the continuum, citing a right wing blog to try to make the point that mainstream media is biased. It's actually comical that the rightie blog is citing Rasmussen, which tied for most biased and wrong pollster in the 2012 election.

You have been assimilated.

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The "blog" contains polling information, do you dispute the actual poll or only dismiss it for the envelope that it came in? Is a statement of fact (even if the "fact" is results of an opinion poll) no longer a fact based only upon who said it?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The "blog" contains polling information, do you dispute the actual poll or only dismiss it for the envelope that it came in? Is a statement of fact (even if the "fact" is results of an opinion poll) no longer a fact based only upon who said it?
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Yeah, as I indicated, Rasmussesn was tied for worst-performing and most right wing biased in the 2012 election, so I'm going to take their poll on bias with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

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AdamT said:
Sadly they do have a big audience, though I wouldn't put it anywhere near 47%. But it's pretty clear where you are on the continuum, citing a right wing blog to try to make the point that mainstream media is biased. It's actually comical that the rightie blog is citing Rasmussen, which tied for most biased and wrong pollster in the 2012 election.

You have been assimilated.

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indeed, rasmussen achieved a 50% accuracy rate (tied with purple strategies pollsters), no better than had they flipped a coin to decide each state's outcome. however, ARG did worse, at 43%.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, as I indicated, Rasmussesn was tied for worst-performing and most right wing biased in the 2012 election, so I'm going to take their poll on bias with a boulder-sized grain of salt.

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Clever, but comparing incidents of ANY mention of the POTUS (indifferent, positive or negative) from 5/1/12 to 7/15/12 against that of any other single person would likely show the same thing, Obama (or any president) is mentioned on the news more than nearly anyone else. Perhaps using a time closer to the actual election would be more valid, including both positive and negative references, but likely not to produce the desired numbers. :roll:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Clever, but comparing incidents of ANY mention of the POTUS (indifferent, positive or negative) from 5/1/12 to 7/15/12 against that of any other single person would likely show the same thing, Obama (or any president) is mentioned on the news more than nearly anyone else. Perhaps using a time closer to the actual election would be more valid, including both positive and negative references, but likely not to produce the desired numbers. :roll:
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And how does that explain the fact that commentary by Republicans exceeded commentary by Democrats by almost 20%? Or the fact that the coverage of Obama was significantly more negative than the coverage of Romney?
 
I highly doubt that non-registered voters were allowed to vote. Also, it isn't possible to have more people vote than there are registered to vote, unless you let someone vote multiple times. It would be interesting to see real proof, not a poll, to substantiate this claim.
 
Green Balls said:
I highly doubt that non-registered voters were allowed to vote. Also, it isn't possible to have more people vote than there are registered to vote, unless you let someone vote multiple times. It would be interesting to see real proof, not a poll, to substantiate this claim.
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One of the primary purposes of Polling is to put a check and balance detector on the possibility of massive voter fraud.


Just because the results of the election from any given pollster does not match the given election outcome, does not automatically mean that the particular Pollster is wrong, it COULD mean that this is place were voter fraud was a significant factor.


Let me say it again, if a Pollster's predictions don't match the outcome, he isn't always Wrong!


It could have been Election Cheating!


One way to test this theory is to try to match Exit Polling and Outreach Post Election Vote Declaration Polling to the listed election outcome.


We all know that putting a Republican Support Bumper Sticker on your car is a great way to get your doors keyed, tires slashed, windows scratched or shattered, or if an OWS guy is nearby, have your car pooped on...


In a Similar Fashion, Republicans have learned the hard way, DON'T talk to exit polls.


Yes, Voter Intimidation is a REAL Problem in America.


So that leaves Annonymous Post Election Voter Declaration Polls as the only real check without significant bias.


There hasn't been time enough to conduct such polls, and there needs to be a bit of time between the election and the Post-Poll to get people willing to Talk.


It will take some Time for the picture of the level of voter fraud impact on the 2012 election to become clear, but already we see it was a major, if not determining factor.


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ttwtt78640 said:
The "blog" contains polling information, do you dispute the actual poll or only dismiss it for the envelope that it came in? Is a statement of fact (even if the "fact" is results of an opinion poll) no longer a fact based only upon who said it?
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The same polling company said Romney would win the popular vote. Just sayin'.

Also note that just because people believe something does not make it true.
 
Voter intimidation is nonsensical. The ballot is secret, the "intimidators" have no way of knowing if the "intimidation" worked.
 
Kurmugeon said:
There are already several different groups of sycophantic Obama supporters trying to start movements to amend the constitution to allow Obama to run for a Third Term.


I'm just saying...
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The conspiracy theory section is further down. You might struggle there though since they like to actually document things.
 
cpwill said:
Well, I don't think that there was a massive electoral fraud campaign that won the election for the President. His victory was simply too wide spread for that, and the votes match what we saw of the voter demographics.

But any election fraud should be hunted down and it's practitioners punished with the maximum available sentence.
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Bush spent millions of dollars trying to find election fraud. What did he find, jack ****.. because its a bogus claim.

New Nationwide Study of Election Fraud Since 2000 Finds Just 10 Cases of In-Person Voter Fraud
 
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