IndepCentristMA
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What's "epically hilarious" is you saying something stupid like epically hilarious, then highlighting it in bold, as if it actually means something... TFF!
Oh, look... now you've moved on from childish insults to finger paint colors... Sadly it doesn't make your posts any more accurate...
Do us a favor... look up "Taxi" in google search, not maps, google's search option... then tell me how many taxi company's from Australia you get...
I think remarkably you will find taxi's from the nearest location to your search...
I wonder how that is that the taxi company that's "most linked to" just happens to be "Boston Cabs" when I did the search...
Hey, what do you know... "pizza" is all about Boston, too!
I know Boston is famous for numerous inventions... but I'm pretty sure cabs and pizza aren't any of them...
Also, do you realize, when you're "most linked to", youre still proving my point... in that "most linked to" has nothing to do with accuracy...
You've also completely ignored what I said about the ability for stuff over the internet to be changed, all it takes is an edit, and publish it, and boom... it's entirely new... that's happened numerous times so far on information regarding this election... and since any idiot with a computer and an internet connection can update a website, or adjust what it says, or misquote something, report it out of context... and then post it as if it's what someone said... the reliability of this information is heavily flawed..
But, please continue to tell me about what you don’t actually know about the “Google algorithm”
LMFAO... actually, I apologize... I throw that out there for my own personal amusement, at your expense... I don't consider you at all... However, I will literally be laughing about this with the old professors I still talk to... whether you believe I go to Harvard or not (which is like 99% of the fun)...
You have a serious trouble with quoting someone in context... or even accurately quoting them altogether...
Again... I never said Bush didn't think it was a mandate... Of course he would... I didn't say outrageous tv personalities wouldn't talk about a mandate... since I don't give a flying Faulk about what they say, and neither should you... What I said was no Republican “seriously thought there was a mandate"... and when I said Republican, I meant REAL Republican, as in people who don't fly by night in politics and waft their opinions on what the public will feel about their comments or have a stake in how their comments are interpreted, but people behind the scenes who do long term analysis and really measure what occured...
Real people... and REAL people didn't think we were coronating Bush as King and Savior of the American people... Real people just thought Bush was slightly more likeable than Kerry... as real people find Obama slightly more likeable than Romney... (However, if I had to chose on intellect, integrity, experience, and of the two people I'd rather making the decisions in this country... It would be Romney and Kerry over Bush and Obama)
REAL people knew that Democrats were pissed off about Bush and that it was a close election... and real people didn't think Democrats would just bend over and agree to everything Bush said...
Even many of those tv media personalities that you linked to in the media analysis were pointing to questions about how long would Bush have momentum from the win... AND HE EVEN EXTENDED CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES!!!!
To suggest that Obama should have the same momentum Bush had from re-election ignores reality... Obama won nothing other than re-election, the general dynamic of the country has not changed, no one is more susceptible to succumbing to Obama's policies... The nation is still heavily divided, and the Republicans in the House are just as emboldened by this election as Obama, since they held onto their majority...
LMFAO… what earlier point… You haven’t mentioned that in this discussion, and I’ve never countered that… It’s cute that you’re trying to take credit for a point I’ve mentioned now, after trying to paint me as so wrong and unknowing I am… I’m starting to see why your username makes sense…
LMFAO… from a person who keeps arguing this heavily flawed strawman argument, as If what I said was “No person mentioned the term ‘mandate’ ever before, especially not in regards to the 2004 election”…
That’s not what I said;
http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...n/142399-im-just-saying-7.html#post1061169129
“I don't know what Republicans seriously thought Bush had a mandate in 04...
However, it should be said, that in 04, the Republicans also won the house and senate...
In this election, Republicans kept the house, extended their lead among governorships... Democrats kept the presidency and Senate...
and nearly every state in the union had their presidential election result lean more to the right... 48 out of 51, including DC...
That's not a mandate that Obama's way is the right way... that's Obama narrowly winning a popularity contest, with a highly unpopular guy who does the right thing most of the time... a sqaure... Well done Obama... beating the stiff old rich guy that no one likes in a popularity contest...
Nothing else changed...”
And you have yet to address any of those issues… you’re hung up on the Semantics of quoting media pundits and Bush administrations quotations about a ‘mandate’, but you’re not proving that Republicans seriously thought they had a mandate that Democrats should have to listen to and follow everything Republicans said, and did not expect to have to battle with Democrats about policies moving forward…
Then now, you want to get on me for “changing what you said” by arguing against something you’ve falsely attributed me saying… Can you ever stop the cycle of bogus lies, misquotes, and semantics to get back to the real meat of the discussion?
This was a status quo election… nothing changed in the balance of power… no one drastically increased their participation… both sides won slight gain, but mostly held their grounds… This was 3 yards and a cloud of dust, not gun and sling… this was battles in the trenches, not blitzkrieg…
Do you ever intend on illustrating how the balance of power changed? Do you ever intend on illustrating how the Democrats just rolled over for Bush after 2004 and said “you know what, the Republicans are right and the American people are with them”? You can’t come up with a single thing that counters the point I’ve made…
Instead, you’d rather get hung up on the semantics about the quote, that you’ve taken out of context… That “I don’t know any Republicans that seriously thought Bush had a mandate”… and you can’t prove the seriousness of it… you’ve just taken entertainment media quotes about it, without discussing them in full context… and you have the words of the Bush Administration itself which is always going to argue on its behalf…
That’s why I wonder why the Obama Administration, and its supporters need to rely so heavily on it…
LMFAO… Oh, I didn’t read through them? I only highlighted and bolded sections of them where they were questioning it, or suggesting it was the Bush administrations opinion, etc. Notice the “eye on the clock” comment in the story’s title… Notice the “I think we have to be careful what we are calling a mandate” comment… Notice THE VERY FIRST ONE in the list from Paula Zahn, when she said “it should be smooth sailing for Republicans, right? But maybe not”… How about the other title “Voters give Bush nod’, but outlook risky”, did you not even notice that?
That’s what I mean about the lack of ability to take something in full context… You did a search for “mandate” then included every item from someone else’s list, just because the term “mandate” was in it… Without considering that many of them didn’t actually think there was a real mandate to work off of…
This other notion that I have trouble finding information, is ridiculous, as I found the very source you used for them, without ever giving create to them… then brought up the other stuff you left out of your post from that page… which shows that they didn’t think the Bush Administration had enough to speak about having a mandate, themselves… and were wondering why the media wasn’t saying “mandate” IN THE 2008 ELECTION, not this one…
From my memory numerous people have spoken about Obama mandate in 2008… it was just shut down heavily in 2010, when there was a clear one in the opposite direction… with many Democrats upset about Obama misinterpreting the mandate they thought he had, and Republicans talking about the mandate of the people who put an overwhelming amount of strict fiscal conservatives in power to prevent him from achieving what he wanted…
That 2010 mandate against Obama isn’t as heavy, now since the Democrats gained a small pittance of seats… but, the Republicans still maintained a sizeable control of the House, and increased their lead among Governorships… So either side can point to something on this occasion…
Most places trended right this election… just not right enough to have swung the election against Obama. Clearly he lost favor, though… He lost favor from 53% of the vote to 51% of the vote… losing 6 million votes… despite increasing voter registration for Democrats… It’s hard to argue a mandate as you’ve lost significant amount of support…
LMFAO @ counting 3 and calling it most… THEY WERE ALL MEMBERS OF MEDIA NETWORKS… Ones that rely on ratings for advertised dollars or donations from people who like what they’re hearing… They ALL had an impetus to be talking about something… anything… just to draw attention… For someone who speaks about honesty and integrity, you display very little of it…
Please do… I really don’t care what you think or whether I’m on anyone’s “ignore list”… Stupid warning and hollow threats like this amount to a hill of beans… I will continue to disprove your bogus comments, whether you enjoy it or not…
Enough with the baiting, flaming and personal attacks.
