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Some Thoughts on just why Romney lost

Born Free said:
From the site you posted

"In other words, if the GOP is even to have a political future in America, it must say no to amnesty, no to an increase in the debt ceiling, and an emphatic no to gay marriage. If they don't have the cervical fortitude to stand for the rule of law, fiscal restraint, and man-woman marriage as the building block of all civilization, of what use are they to values-driven Americans? None that I can see."

This I fully agree with. If the Republican party gives up on these issues, Obama will bury this country in debt, our moral fiber will be lost, and our country will have an open border. But these are just a few issues the Republicans cannot cave on. It makes no difference what the Republican party does it will still be labeled racist, hating Mexicans, hating woman, party of the rich, etc etc. the Dems will never ever let that go. Democrats are the party of free stuff, and increasing entitlements, and as long as they keep giving free stuff, they will get elected. And they all could care less who has to pay for it as long as it's not them.
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Once upon a time the opinion expressed above would have been labelled "Radical" as it was not what rational folks called "conservatism"

The bolded words are already being used by Romney as the reason he lost the election, once again providing proof that total obliviousness is apparently the No. 1 requirement for membership in the modern Republican party. A man unwilling to accept responsibility is not one who should ever be put into a position where "the buck stops here" is a requirement.

Yeah, some in the Republican party will be labelled racist simply because they are racist, no matter how much they deny it - it might be just another aspect of the required cluelessness for membership in the GOP.

"man-woman marriage" as the building block of all civilization - Man, you don't know much history, do ya?


Love your sig [/sarcasm] Credit downgrade may be blamed solely on the attempt by the Republicans in the House to bring down the President. The agencies that did the downgrade were rather explicit in who was to blame - and it was not the President.
 
Grim17 said:
You didn't wake me up from a dream, you gave me a Marxist-Socialist nightmare. I told of a true story and my genuine concerns, and you respond with a ranting, anti-capitalist, collectivist pile of propaganda.

Sieg Heil comrade
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You got nothing better than that to defend your extremist version of Capitalism? Calling anyone who criticizes Capitalism a "socialist" is as lame as calling anybody who criticizes Obama a "racist."
 
Somerville said:
Once upon a time the opinion expressed above would have been labelled "Radical" as it was not what rational folks called "conservatism"

The bolded words are already being used by Romney as the reason he lost the election, once again providing proof that total obliviousness is apparently the No. 1 requirement for membership in the modern Republican party. A man unwilling to accept responsibility is not one who should ever be put into a position where "the buck stops here" is a requirement.

Yeah, some in the Republican party will be labelled racist simply because they are racist, no matter how much they deny it - it might be just another aspect of the required cluelessness for membership in the GOP.

"man-woman marriage" as the building block of all civilization - Man, you don't know much history, do ya?


Love your sig [/sarcasm] Credit downgrade may be blamed solely on the attempt by the Republicans in the House to bring down the President. The agencies that did the downgrade were rather explicit in who was to blame - and it was not the President.
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Yep
Much easier for Romney to Blame Obama's so called "gifts" then say the "buck stop here" and that he accepts some of the blame as he should.

From this article:

BY DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is telling top donors that President Barack Obama won re-election because of the "gifts" he had already provided to blacks, Hispanics and young voters and because of the president's effort to paint Romney as anti-immigrant.

"The president's campaign, if you will, focused on giving targeted groups a big gift," Romney said in a call to donors on Wednesday. "He made a big effort on small things."

Romney said his campaign, in contrast, had been about "big issues for the whole country." He said he faced problems as a candidate because he was "getting beat up" by the Obama campaign and that the debates allowed him to come back.

In the call, Romney didn't acknowledge any major missteps, such as his "47 percent" remarks widely viewed as denigrating nearly half of Americans, his lack of support for theauto bailout, his call for illegal immigrants to "self-deport," or his change in position on abortion, gun control and other issues. He also didn't address the success or failure of the campaign's strategy of focusing on the economy in the face of some improvement in employment and economic growth during the months leading up to Election Day.

Obama won the popular vote by about 3.5 million votes, or 3 percent, and won the Electoral College by a wide margin, 332-206 electoral votes.
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read more:

Mitt Romney: Obama Won With 'Gifts' To Blacks, Hispanics, Young Voters
 
minnie616 said:
Yep
Much easier for Romney to Blame Obama's so called "gifts" then say the "buck stop here" and that he accepts some of the blame as he should.

From this article:



read more:

Mitt Romney: Obama Won With 'Gifts' To Blacks, Hispanics, Young Voters
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It is the nature of the conserative personality not to take responsibility for their actions. Heck, Romney spent half his campaign arguing that what he said (about blacks, students, working people, hispanics, immigrants, abortion) wasn't what he meant, all without taking back what he sais (which was clear to everybody).

Think Limbaugh calling a woman arguing for rational insurance coverage a "slut", and never really apologizing. They can't. It's not in them to take responsibility for their lives.
 
head of joaquin said:
It is the nature of the conserative personality not to take responsibility for their actions. Heck, Romney spent half his campaign arguing that what he said (about blacks, students, working people, hispanics, immigrants, abortion) wasn't what he meant, all without taking back what he sais (which was clear to everybody).

Think Limbaugh calling a woman arguing for rational insurance coverage a "slut", and never really apologizing. They can't. It's not in them to take responsibility for their lives.
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Buy your own BC.
 
Grim17 said:
I have a gaming friend online who is an Obama supporter. He is not like me and doesn't put much time or effort into politics. He is what I would call your average American, and there were 2 things that about his support that really stood out to me.

First, he believed an enormous amount of false information about Romney and Ryan that kind of blew me away. I fault this to todays media, which during the campaign did very little to dispel any of the false propaganda about Romney.

My friend is unemployed and over the last 10 months has only been employed for 3 weeks of that time. It was a temp job, which leads me to the second thing which I found kind of sad. His support wasn't based on "we need more jobs" but rather he seemed to be supporting more unemployment benefits and government help. When I listened to him and figured this out, I wanted to say something to him, but couldn't. He is a very hard headed person and there was no way I could point this out to him without it causing a big incident between us, so I let it go.

I just found it sad that he was voting based on "There's not going to be any jobs, so I need government subsidies" and wondered how many people out there were just like him... Is that what America has become?
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I doubt quite a few things there. And it still boils down to blaming someone else grim. No personal responsibility.
 
Boo Radley said:
I doubt quite a few things there. And it still boils down to blaming someone else grim. No personal responsibility.
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You can doubt it all you want, but it's true.

And yes, I do blame the media for not putting much effort into dispelling the falsehoods, but I do not blame them for the election results. That's because ultimately, it's up to the public to spend the time to learn the truth for themselves.
 
Grim17 said:
You can doubt it all you want, but it's true.

And yes, I do blame the media for not putting much effort into dispelling the falsehoods, but I do not blame them for the election results. That's because ultimately, it's up to the public to spend the time to learn the truth for themselves.
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They didn't dispell falsehoods on any of them, and that is largely the result of republican whining. Remember, you side says pointing this out is biased.

And yes, I do doubt it, not that one person is in anyway a large enough sample. It is also possible you misunderstood his answer. In any case, I do doubt it.
 
head of joaquin said:
It is the nature of the conserative personality not to take responsibility for their actions. Heck, Romney spent half his campaign arguing that what he said (about blacks, students, working people, hispanics, immigrants, abortion) wasn't what he meant, all without taking back what he sais (which was clear to everybody).

Think Limbaugh calling a woman arguing for rational insurance coverage a "slut", and never really apologizing. They can't. It's not in them to take responsibility for their lives.
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Anyone born with a silver spoon in his mouth will always speak with a forked tongue.
 
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