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Obama's first order of business

Bronson said:
And all the Obamaphones will be left holding the bag. Obama cares though. He said so. Obama Zedong Thought is the only truth.

Isn't Marxism/Collectivism awesome?
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But but but, some conservative earlier in this thread said that Obama is a tool of the rich.

Which discredited meme is it, man!
 
Bronson said:
And all the Obamaphones will be left holding the bag. Obama cares though. He said so. Obama Zedong Thought is the only truth.

Isn't Marxism/Collectivism awesome?
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Ugh, Ugh, ahhh... you do know the left has redefined Marxist, Collectivist and Socialist?
None of it applies to Obama apparently!

He is an unabashed Capitalist. Didn't you know?
 
head of joaquin said:
So the new tea party meme is now Obama is not raising taxes on the rich enough?
WTF!
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It's not a rhetorical meme, we've posted from maisntream news that bull**** all the time.

Look, the top 400 taxpayers only pay average 15% in taxes!
Look, the 1M per year income earners only pay average of 18% in taxes!

Therefore, let's raise the top marginal rate of those earning $250K+ per year! Noting this does not affect to any signficant degree, the rhetoric use to drum up feverish liberal support for it.

In other words, the people who are already paying around 35%, may end up paying 40%. The people paying 15%, if that's all that changes, they still pay 15% because that was long-term capital gains rate. And the 18% might pay what, 19%? Because the majority of that 18% is apparently also 15% long term cap gains based.

So yes, using strictly what was written, that leads to the mega-rich seeing no effective tax increase. Easy for those not paying not to care though, just keep voting for others to pay for the houses and education you cannot afford and refuse to pay your loan obligations on.

Tea party for all its faults, gets that right. The ultra-rich are represented by the billions they can afford to throw into politics and lobbyists and attorneys. The majority, you ****ers are always represented. It's those pinched in-between that are working, are not ultra-wealthy, they get stuck with your hospital bill because you can't stop stuffing your face with donuts (not you personally of course, you eat raw meat, maybe man-flesh I cannot tell).
 
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Bronson said:
And all the Obamaphones will be left holding the bag. Obama cares though. He said so. Obama Zedong Thought is the only truth.

Isn't Marxism/Collectivism awesome?
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It's amazing how you've had your "obamaphone" bull**** beat down and destroyed along with your ignorance of Marxism and all that other name calling crap you do, yet you still repeat it. It's like you are talking to no one but yourself.
 
Cilogy said:
This is the right thing to do.
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Of coruse it is. You don't have to pay more, the ultra-rich don't have to pay more, but I do. You don't have to pay, I do. And I don't want the **** that they are spending it on anyway. Of course you think it's the right thing to do. Great moral compass you have there.
 
head of joaquin said:
Acknowledged Mr. Prosecutor. But I did answer. You just don't like the answer. Is $1M a year wealthy enough for you. It should be a new top bracket, as Obama proposed, but the GOP (of course) refused to pass.
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And the tax rate and revenue? The other question you bailed on pertained to an article in the New Republic. But, we'll overlook that point of inadequacy.
 
Mach said:
It's not a rhetorical meme, we've posted from maisntream news that bull**** all the time.

Look, the top 400 taxpayers only pay average 15% in taxes!
Look, the 1M per year income earners only pay average of 18% in taxes!

Therefore, let's raise the top marginal rate of those earning $250K+ per year! Noting this does not affect to any signficant degree, the rhetoric use to drum up feverish liberal support for it.

In other words, the people who are already paying around 35%, may end up paying 40%. The people paying 15%, if that's all that changes, they still pay 15% because that was long-term capital gains rate. And the 18% might pay what, 19%? Because the majority of that 18% is apparently also 15% long term cap gains based.

So yes, using strictly what was written, that leads to the mega-rich seeing no effective tax increase. Easy for those not paying not to care though, just keep voting for others to pay for the houses and education you cannot afford and refuse to pay your loan obligations on.
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Obama tries to raise taxes on the top bracket, and even proposes a new top bracket of $1M for a surcharge. Tea Party Occupied Congress obstructs. A new rightwing meme appears: Obama doesn't want to tax the rich because he's a Wall Street tool.

Honestly, this is delusional politics at its worst.

By the way, your math, it's kookoo.
 
Yes because we all know that by lowering taxes on the rich will create jobs so well and reduce the deficit. If that was true we would be drowning in jobs right now. Rich are bringing in record profits and taxes are at historically low rates, question is "where the **** are the jobs?".
 
hfd said:
And the tax rate and revenue? The other question you bailed on pertained to an article in the New Republic. But, we'll overlook that point of inadequacy.
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I'm for a new $1M top bracket with a 50-70% rate, coupled with a reduction of taxes on working people. Economic recovery comes from getting more money into the hands of working Americans and ending the misallocation of capital caused by income gaps, and the bubbles that result.

As to Obama, he's proposed similar changes but lower rates. Tea Party Occupied Congress blocked that, of course.

What don't you understand?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yes because we all know that by lowering taxes on the rich will create jobs so well and reduce the deficit. If that was true we would be drowning in jobs right now. Rich are bringing in record profits and taxes are at historically low rates, question is "where the **** are the jobs?".
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There's a word for people who think repeating the same failed conduct will lead to different results. Pathological. It's what defines the tea party and conservatism in general.
 
hfd said:
And the tax rate and revenue? The other question you bailed on pertained to an article in the New Republic. But, we'll overlook that point of inadequacy.
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Mach said:
Of coruse it is. You don't have to pay more, the ultra-rich don't have to pay more, but I do. You don't have to pay, I do. And I don't want the **** that they are spending it on anyway. Of course you think it's the right thing to do. Great moral compass you have there.
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Thank you :)

Did you complain about the rate being too high during the 90s?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yes because we all know that by lowering taxes on the rich will create jobs so well and reduce the deficit. If that was true we would be drowning in jobs right now. Rich are bringing in record profits and taxes are at historically low rates, question is "where the **** are the jobs?".
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Spot on TDS!
 
head of joaquin said:
I'm for a new $1M top bracket with a 50-70% rate, coupled with a reduction of taxes on working people. Economic recovery comes from getting more money into the hands of working Americans and ending the misallocation of capital caused by income gaps, and the bubbles that result.

As to Obama, he's proposed similar changes but lower rates. Tea Party Occupied Congress blocked that, of course.

What don't you understand?
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And the generated revenue?
 
head of joaquin said:
But but but, some conservative earlier in this thread said that Obama is a tool of the rich.

Which discredited meme is it, man!
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Obama is a tool of people who play the casinos on Wall Street. They invest in cheap money.

He's also a pal of his campaign bundlers (See Solyndra ect)

It's not rocket science. I think it's hilarious you're too scared to admit the truth. As one of your buddies just said. "It's the right thing to do". We get it. You want to tax the rich to make it fair. Spread the wealth around and make it good for everyone.

Ok help me out here. Obama is spending 5.60$ for every 1$ of gdp created in the private economy. He spent nearly 6 trillion to generate 900B. We have surpassed 100% debt to gdp

Is that working?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Didn't they use to have Conference Committees to resolve difference between the House and the Senate. Maybe that's just nostalgia on my part.
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Nah - today Boehner just says SCREW IT and moves on while the nation gets worse off and the deficit grows by the hour. ;)

After all, its only four more years until the next election for President.
 
Truckstop said:
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The sound of Romney trying to explain how cutting deductions for working people wouldn't raise their taxes.
 
Again, allow the President to employ what economic issues he wishes.

Obama sticks to guns on tax increase for wealthiest Americans - NBC Politics

"The president has argued for raising taxes on Americans with incomes over $200,000 and over $250,000 for married couples who file jointly."


"Adding to the pressure to design a deal that would avoid the fiscal cliff, the CBO on Thursday repeated its previous warnings that the spending cuts, combined with scheduled tax increases, would probably cause a recession next year.
Specifically the CBO said in its Thursday report that the tax increases and spending cuts would cause the unemployment rate to rise to 9.1 percent by the fourth quarter of 2013, compared to a jobless rate of 7.9 percent in October."
 
hfd said:
Again, allow the President to employ what economic issues he wishes.

Obama sticks to guns on tax increase for wealthiest Americans - NBC Politics

"The president has argued for raising taxes on Americans with incomes over $200,000 and over $250,000 for married couples who file jointly."


"Adding to the pressure to design a deal that would avoid the fiscal cliff, the CBO on Thursday repeated its previous warnings that the spending cuts, combined with scheduled tax increases, would probably cause a recession next year.
Specifically the CBO said in its Thursday report that the tax increases and spending cuts would cause the unemployment rate to rise to 9.1 percent by the fourth quarter of 2013, compared to a jobless rate of 7.9 percent in October."
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Obama is spending 5.60$ for every dollar being generated in the private economy BEFORE he raises taxes

You're assuming the Economy will continue to grow at it's present course if he raises taxes. Currently it's 1.3%. Lol
 
poweRob said:
"This week the voters of America set the direction of our nation for the next four years," he said. "I earned capital in the political campaign and I intend to spend it." -- George W. Bush upon getting his second term​


That comment brought to you in 2004 by merely 286 Electoral Votes.
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I knew Bush was screwed when he said it. The media immediately turned on the war. The media hates political arrogance, as Obama is going to find out. Wednesday's news was Obama won, now about this fiscal cliff thing, which became Thursday's Yeah the GOP lost and has to regroup, but what about this fiscal Cliff, which is now What is Obama going to do to stop the recession as the fiscal cliff looms......
 
These are the Bush tax cuts that are going away and only for those making over 250,000. The tax cuts were immoral in the first place. You don't go to war run up huge costs, financial and in the lives of your citizenry and then make tax cuts. None of which there is any money for. I thought when a Country went to war the whole population pitched in. Instead we had the tax cuts and the 'well some folks are at war but it is not affecting my life' attitude.

I guess now is the time for some of that pain to get paid for. One thing you can be certain about is that the folks whose taxes may go up are not the folks who sent sons and daughters into combat.
 
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rjay said:
The tax cuts were immoral in the first place. .
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There you have it

It's immoral for people to keep the money they earn because the Obamaphones deserve theirs
 
I guess you didn't read the post. The immoral part is taking a tax cut while sending young men into battle. At the time the Iraq war was looming it was a very popular idea among Americans, all Americans. At that time the question should have been how much do we raise taxes to help pay for this war?
War entails sacrifice for everybody. Instead it was never mind the cost of the war, never mind the fact that we have put people in harms way. We here can enjoy some tax breaks. We will pay for all this war stuff some other time.

It seems some other time has arrived at least for some. For the middle class it will come, but first we need to get the country on sound financial footing.
 
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Fisher said:
I knew Bush was screwed when he said it. The media immediately turned on the war. The media hates political arrogance, as Obama is going to find out. Wednesday's news was Obama won, now about this fiscal cliff thing, which became Thursday's Yeah the GOP lost and has to regroup, but what about this fiscal Cliff, which is now What is Obama going to do to stop the recession as the fiscal cliff looms......
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Fiscal cliff is going to handle itself it appears. If NOTHING is done, tax revenues will go up and defense spending will go down.
 
haymarket said:
Nah - today Boehner just says SCREW IT and moves on while the nation gets worse off and the deficit grows by the hour. ;)

After all, its only four more years until the next election for President.
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why is Obama so adamant about jacking up taxes on those of us who pay most of the taxes already?

if taxes go up they should go up on EVERYONE-especially those who have had ten years of NO FIT
 
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