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Tired of the Excuses

X Factor

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I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
 
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it's my fault. i hacked into the florida, ohio, and virginia voting machines and changed ~3million votes. sorry guys, i just couldent take the risk. :confused:
 
Republicans should keep this in mind each time they say something like this.

Do you folks remember this little image that was deservedly used against a significant portion of Democrats oh so many years ago?

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Some of us feel really tempted to mold the image to fit the contemporary situation.
 
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X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
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I completely agree with you.

I've been a good sport. I'm not happy, but that's the will of the people. I'm disgusted. I'm disillusioned. But I won't be blaming anything other than the American people have come to the realization that they can vote themselves the treasury.

Our country votes on "what's in it for me" now. It's sad, but true. Public sector unions vote Democratic because Democrats have voted them "the treasury" in their salaries, pensions and other benefits. Blacks vote Democratic because they see Democrats giving them free Obama Phones and paying their mortgages. Never mind that their kids are left in the dust by Democratic policies. That doesn't matter. "It's all about me." Many of the 47% who pay no Federal income tax vote Democratic because "Everybody who makes more than me should pay more taxes!"

I blame the American people. Most of them aren't looking at "What's good for our country." Most of them are looking at "What's in it for me?"
 
X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
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Nice post X. :)

And thank you for saying nice things about those of us who voted for Obama. :)

EDIT: FWIW Replace Obama with Romney and back at ya. :)
 
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MaggieD said:
I completely agree with you.

I've been a good sport. I'm not happy, but that's the will of the people. I'm disgusted. I'm disillusioned. But I won't be blaming anything other than the American people have come to the realization that they can vote themselves the treasury.

Our country votes on "what's in it for me" now. It's sad, but true. Public sector unions vote Democratic because Democrats have voted them "the treasury" in their salaries, pensions and other benefits. Blacks vote Democratic because they see Democrats giving them free Obama Phones and paying their mortgages. Never mind that their kids are left in the dust by Democratic policies. That doesn't matter. "It's all about me." Many of the 47% who pay no Federal income tax vote Democratic because "Everybody who makes more than me should pay more taxes!"

I blame the American people. Most of them aren't looking at "What's good for our country." Most of them are looking at "What's in it for me?"
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I'm not as with you on their last sentence. There's some of that on all sides. But most think they voted what's best for the county.

The rest is fine.
 
X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
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Much respect there man. Much.

Now... back to my animosity for you and this country as I go forth to destroy it.
 
I think that those of us who want a GOP president should focus on moving forward, not focusing on the past and making excuses. I agree pretty much completely with the OP.
 
poweRob said:
Much respect there man. Much.

Now... back to my animosity for you and this country as I go forth to destroy it.
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the sarcasm police called, they want their badges back.
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MaggieD said:
I completely agree with you.

I've been a good sport. I'm not happy, but that's the will of the people. I'm disgusted. I'm disillusioned. But I won't be blaming anything other than the American people have come to the realization that they can vote themselves the treasury.

Our country votes on "what's in it for me" now. It's sad, but true. Public sector unions vote Democratic because Democrats have voted them "the treasury" in their salaries, pensions and other benefits. Blacks vote Democratic because they see Democrats giving them free Obama Phones and paying their mortgages. Never mind that their kids are left in the dust by Democratic policies. That doesn't matter. "It's all about me." Many of the 47% who pay no Federal income tax vote Democratic because "Everybody who makes more than me should pay more taxes!"

I blame the American people. Most of them aren't looking at "What's good for our country." Most of them are looking at "What's in it for me?"
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I am sooo freaking frustrated at you ******** republicans !!!!!!!!!

Black people vote democrat because we want free phones and our mortgage paid ?????? I you guys wonder why we think you are racist !!!!!!
 
rcart76 said:
I am sooo freaking frustrated at you ******** republicans !!!!!!!!!

Black people vote democrat because we want free phones and our mortgage paid ?????? I you guys wonder why we think you are racist !!!!!!
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I think she was highlighting the "it's all about me" mentality. I wouldn't agree with Maggie if she said all blacks voted due to government freebies (and I'll let her clarify that).
 
rcart76 said:
I am sooo freaking frustrated at you ******** republicans !!!!!!!!!

Black people vote democrat because we want free phones and our mortgage paid ?????? I you guys wonder why we think you are racist !!!!!!
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You think we're racist because those are the sunglasses you're looking through. That was hyperbole, by the way, in case you don't get it.

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Why don't you respond to letting your kids go down the crapper in every inner-city in the United States of America? Why don't you fight for them​???
 
rcart76 said:
I am sooo freaking frustrated at you ******** republicans !!!!!!!!!

Black people vote democrat because we want free phones and our mortgage paid ?????? I you guys wonder why we think you are racist !!!!!!
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Tell me why you think blacks vote Democrat, and give me something more specific than "they thought he was the better candidate."
 
X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
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Well said........and I wholeheartedly agree. The president says he wants to create jobs, promote economic growth, and reduce the federal deficit. I hope that he succeeds. Anyone who hopes for his "failure" is hoping that we fail financially as a nation. I'm trying to be optimistic.............I just hope that he has an actual plan for this term.......one that includes attainable and realistic short-term goals. I just want him to get to work..........I'm tired of the celebrity status and watching him build up his "Hollywood cred." More time in the Oval Office and less time on talk shows, Hawaiian vacations, and filling out NCAA Tournament brackets is what we need to restore some confidence in the man. :shrug:
 
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Tell me why you think blacks vote Democrat, and give me something more specific than "they thought he was the better candidate."
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obviously they voted for him because he was black, but why not? if i was black, and this was my first opportunity to vote for someone who wasnt a white guy since the founding of our country in the 18th century, i'd do the same. fact is the country disenfranchised blacks for centuries, i don't begrudge them for voting on racial lines, because we sure as hell discriminated against them on those same lines so we can't even question it with straight faces.
 
roflpublican said:
obviously they voted for him because he was black, but why not? if i was black, and this was my first opportunity to vote for someone who wasnt a white guy since the founding of our country in the 18th century, i'd do the same. fact is the country disenfranchised blacks for centuries, i don't begrudge them for voting on racial lines, because we sure as hell discriminated against them on those same lines so we can't even question it with straight faces.
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Now we're doing something much worse than disenfranchising blacks. Much worse.
 
I'm sorry but as a black man I am really getting sick and tired of all the racist comments coming from republicans after this election. Put yourself in our shoes. Where I am from there are a lot of good hard working brothers and sisters trying to get by every day. My father worked 2 jobs just to make sure me and brother had a hot meal every night. I had to work my way through college because I didn't have a rich mommy and daddy to pay for my tuition. I am just as american as you and it is insulting to my father when I hear conservatives say all black want is a handout.

Maybe we just vote democrat because we think that republicans are racist a*******...
 
MaggieD said:
I completely agree with you.

I've been a good sport. I'm not happy, but that's the will of the people. I'm disgusted. I'm disillusioned. But I won't be blaming anything other than the American people have come to the realization that they can vote themselves the treasury.

Our country votes on "what's in it for me" now. It's sad, but true. Public sector unions vote Democratic because Democrats have voted them "the treasury" in their salaries, pensions and other benefits. Blacks vote Democratic because they see Democrats giving them free Obama Phones and paying their mortgages. Never mind that their kids are left in the dust by Democratic policies. That doesn't matter. "It's all about me." Many of the 47% who pay no Federal income tax vote Democratic because "Everybody who makes more than me should pay more taxes!"

I blame the American people. Most of them aren't looking at "What's good for our country." Most of them are looking at "What's in it for me?"
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Maggie, I love you to death and if I've misunderstood you, totally correct me. This looks to me a little like what I was saying we need to get away from. I totally understand the disillusionment, I do. I had my own little meltdown last night. If we assume the worst motives of those who vote differently than us, though, we'll never have any reason to look at our own failings and that's something I think the last two failed presidential bids have shown us we need to do.
 
X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
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:bravo:
I say lets compromise. If not we (United States) is screwed. Im VERRRRRY happy to see what you said! Mature and correct in this cloud of confusion and despair. Lets get things DONE! :2wave:
 
MaggieD said:
You think we're racist because those are the sunglasses you're looking through. That was hyperbole, by the way, in case you don't get it.

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Why don't you respond to letting your kids go down the crapper in every inner-city in the United States of America? Why don't you fight for them​???
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What and vote for Romney ???? He said himself that he doesn't give a damn about the 47%. You give me a good reason why I would vote republican?

As for the "letting our kids go down the crapper". Apparently you don't visit the inner city at all. There are multiple outreach programs gear towards inner city kids right now. Many of them my mom and brother participate in now. Oh and by the way, a lot of the job training programs that the inner city has for these kids were being threaten to be cancelled by your boys in Washington.
 
X, many props. Hopefully that spirit can lead us all to actually get some compromise done in the next four years. There certainly wasn't enough in the previous four.

To everyone who engaged in this "why do blacks vote Democrat" bit, congratulations, that's why you come off racist. Because you characterize a whole big group of people as a homogeneous mass. You don't see people, you just see "the other". That's racism. Don't do it. If you even entertain the idea that "blacks" vote as a group, or do so because of a single idea, then you are engaging in racism. You are degrading people to a state that is less than human.
 
rcart76 said:
I'm sorry but as a black man I am really getting sick and tired of all the racist comments coming from republicans after this election. Put yourself in our shoes. Where I am from there are a lot of good hard working brothers and sisters trying to get by every day. My father worked 2 jobs just to make sure me and brother had a hot meal every night. I had to work my way through college because I didn't have a rich mommy and daddy to pay for my tuition. I am just as american as you and it is insulting to my father when I hear conservatives say all black want is a handout.

Maybe we just vote democrat because we think that republicans are racist a*******...
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Maybe they are racist.........or maybe people feel this way because of interviews like this one: :shrug:

 
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