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Tired of the Excuses

X Factor said:
Maggie, I love you to death and if I've misunderstood you, totally correct me. This looks to me a little like what I was saying we need to get away from. I totally understand the disillusionment, I do. I had my own little meltdown last night. If we assume the worst motives of those who vote differently than us, though, we'll never have any reason to look at our own failings and that's something I think the last two failed presidential bids have shown us we need to do.
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If you'd have read my posts throughout the day, you'd see that I have said more than once that we (Republicans) need to rethink what on earth we're doing. We're too black-and-white on the issues. If the majority of people in this country think more liberally than we do . . . if they're winning elections . . . then we need to realign our beliefs.

I'm Republican because I believe in fiscal responsibility and think we're in big trouble. But!! If we keep on preaching the same message over and over again, we'll never be in a position to implement any of our conservative beliefs. We simply must find a happy medium. If we don't? I think the Republican Party has "jumped the shark." We are in the minority apparently, and that's scary to me.

No, you probably didn't misunderstand me. I got hot under the collar thinking about it. And two glasses of wine didn't help. Ha! I used hyperbole to indicate my frustration. I really do believe that we are a country that has lost a sense of who we are . . . how we became the great nation we are . . . and are at risk of spending ourselves into oblivion.

*I loves you to death right back.*
 
rcart76 said:
What and vote for Romney ???? He said himself that he doesn't give a damn about the 47%. You give me a good reason why I would vote republican?

As for the "letting our kids go down the crapper". Apparently you don't visit the inner city at all. There are multiple outreach programs gear towards inner city kids right now. Many of them my mom and brother participate in now. Oh and by the way, a lot of the job training programs that the inner city has for these kids were being threaten to be cancelled by your boys in Washington.
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No, I don't think you should vote for Romney. I don't know who you should vote for. If your city is doing a good job with kids? More power to ya'. Chicago isn't. Oh, they give many a platitude, but kids are getting so left behind it's pathetic. It's criminal. (And Chicago is Democratic...has been for years) I'm just reaching for numbers now, because I'm not going to look it up (I have soooo many times). Something like 50% of kids in the inner city don't read at grade level. 50% don't graduate. What kind of school system is that? Would that be acceptable in MY community? I guarantee you it would not.

Should it be acceptable that little kids are shot while watching TV in their living rooms in the inner-city due to gang violence? Outside skipping rope? Sitting on their porches? What the **** is that about? Where is that acceptable? Nowhere. But the inner-city. These kids don't have a freakin' chance.

"My boys" in Washington aren't in any position to cancel anything in your city. I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
rcart76 said:
I'm sorry but as a black man I am really getting sick and tired of all the racist comments coming from republicans after this election. Put yourself in our shoes. Where I am from there are a lot of good hard working brothers and sisters trying to get by every day. My father worked 2 jobs just to make sure me and brother had a hot meal every night. I had to work my way through college because I didn't have a rich mommy and daddy to pay for my tuition. I am just as american as you and it is insulting to my father when I hear conservatives say all black want is a handout.

Maybe we just vote democrat because we think that republicans are racist a*******...
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Well said! Look..... I live in Chicago and see a LOT of stuff. In fact I worked in the WORST AREA in Chicago. Englewood. And I also belong to a church group that has a few black folks. There IS a horrible amount of crime and murder where I used to work. There IS a huge amount of love and compassion and intelligence with the black individuals that go to our church. Im NOT saying you have to go to a church to find a upstanding black man. Heck one of my very close friends is black and a wonderful person. What I AM saying is there is (in the Chicago area) a HUGE amount of crime from that population. I myself was a victim of it and still have PTSD from it.
But the bottom line is this... YOU worked as hard or harder to obtain what you want and I 100% agree with you on this point.

Republicans..... THIS IS NOT A BLACK issue. This issue is you lost and its because you shun the minorities. Im not immune to it at times. Why? because of what I see. First hand. But there are many black people.... many latino and Asian people that make this Country fantastic.
 
X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
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:kissy:

:thumbs:

And this is why I luv you, Xy. Great post!
 
X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.
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None of what you say is true. Not a word and you are no Conservative.

The Takers voted for what they wanted. The Obamaphones from Obama's stash are in high demand. He gave them a phone. He's gonna do more.

Romney? He SUCKS. BAD.

Good luck getting that vote
 
MaggieD said:
No, I don't think you should vote for Romney. I don't know who you should vote for. If your city is doing a good job with kids? More power to ya'. Chicago isn't. Oh, they give many a platitude, but kids are getting so left behind it's pathetic. It's criminal. (And Chicago is Democratic...has been for years) I'm just reaching for numbers now, because I'm not going to look it up (I have soooo many times). Something like 50% of kids in the inner city don't read at grade level. 50% don't graduate. What kind of school system is that? Would that be acceptable in MY community? I guarantee you it would not.

Should it be acceptable that little kids are shot while watching TV in their living rooms in the inner-city due to gang violence? Outside skipping rope? Sitting on their porches? What the **** is that about? Where is that acceptable? Nowhere. But the inner-city. These kids don't have a freakin' chance.

"My boys" in Washington aren't in any position to cancel anything in your city. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Okay give me 2 republican policies that were offered during this election that will help improve the education system??? All I heard was cutting back on the state.
 
rcart76 said:
So we are basing a entire race on one ignorant person?
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I'm certainly not. I was giving you a possible reason as to why some people feel that way regarding entitlements. :shrug:

How is this any different from you labeling all Republicans as "racists"?
 
Bronson said:
None of what you say is true. Not a word and you are no Conservative.

The Takers voted for what they wanted. The Obamaphones from Obama's stash are in high demand. He gave them a phone. He's gonna do more.

Romney? He SUCKS. BAD.

Good luck getting that vote
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hey man..... this will blow your head off. (and google it) BUSH wanted this too. He actually signed it.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Ohhhhh DEAR GOD....... :doh
lets get EVERY kook off of YouTube!!!!
PLease guys.... lets not do this
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I was just proving a point. You know how many republicans try to justify their opinion with a video of one ignorant black lady? All I was trying to say was it can go both ways.
 
rcart76 said:
Okay give me 2 republican policies that were offered during this election that will help improve the education system??? All I heard was cutting back on the state.
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Respectfully, Rcart, I'm not going to go back and look at Romney's platform, since it's moot. But the Republican difference, as always, is that the individual states should be given Federal $$ to solve their own unique problems rather than the solutions coming down from massive Federal programs that leave money at the top instead of in the hands of individual states -- where it can more easily create jobs, set standards, and tailor programs to specific need.

If you knew me here on DP, RCart, you'd know that I'm not racist. I am disappointed in myself that I gave you that impression.
 
As an Independent..... you KNOW what Im tired of? THIS BULLCRAP! This waste of time! The Blame Game!
To EVERYONE that is either Left or Right....... SHUT UP!!!!
You want to kiss ducks or shoot them.... I DONT CARE!!!
Solve this fiscal problem! SOLVE IT!
UP this while you lower THIS
Just like losing weight...
Move more
Eat less
But dont you DARE hurt the little people
There ARE people that deserve help
For the breeders...... cut them off.
 
X-Factor

Great post.

Finally a mature, measured, thoughtful response.

You highlight a chronic problem that transcends politics - I think its cultural.


There is always someone else to blame your failures on, while nobody else was involved in your successes.

Cheers.
 
Bronson said:
None of what you say is true. Not a word and you are no Conservative.

The Takers voted for what they wanted. The Obamaphones from Obama's stash are in high demand. He gave them a phone. He's gonna do more.

Romney? He SUCKS. BAD.

Good luck getting that vote
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Oh you mean the low income subsidized phone service that originated with St.Reagan and was incorporated into the telecommunications act of 1996? the one that is actually funded by the telecomm companies and doesn't use a cent of taxpayer money? That obama phone?

Why don't you actually find out if the nonsense you spew is actually true or not before repeating lies and bullcrap? It doesn't take more than a minute to actually find out the obamaphone vote buying is simply a lie.

but don't let it get in the way.
 
Bronson said:
None of what you say is true.
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What have I said that's untrue?

Not a word and you are no Conservative.
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I figured I'd see something like this. To borrow loosely from Shakespeare, I come not to bury conservative ideals, but to preserve them. We can continue to claim to be conservative and root for anything that appears to be on our "team" while bashing anything that isn't or we can do the hard thing and actually live what we say we believe. I believe we need to do the latter if we want our ideology to survive and even thrive.

The Takers voted for what they wanted. The Obamaphones from Obama's stash are in high demand. He gave them a phone. He's gonna do more.

Romney? He SUCKS. BAD.

Good luck getting that vote
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Tens of millions of people did not all vote in order to get a cheap ass cell phone. In fact, all of the people I know who voted Obama are not on any kind of public assistance at all.
 
FluffyNinja said:
I'm certainly not. I was giving you a possible reason as to why some people feel that way regarding entitlements. :shrug:

How is this any different from you labeling all Republicans as "racists"?
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So you're possible reason is that stupid people make gross generalizations, and stereotype, based upon Youtube videos? What are we supposed to do with that?
 
AdamT said:
So you're possible reason is that stupid people make gross generalizations, and stereotype, based upon Youtube videos? What are we supposed to do with that?
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years ago i voted based on this:
 
AdamT said:
So you're possible reason is that stupid people make gross generalizations, and stereotype, based upon Youtube videos? What are we supposed to do with that?
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I believe that interview was aired on an NBC affiliate and was broadcast by other media outlets before it hit Youtube. Regardless, a poster making the claim that all Republicans are "racists" does not qualify as a "gross generalization" and "stereotype"? Oh, the irony. :lol:
 
FluffyNinja said:
I believe that interview was aired on an NBC affiliate and was broadcast by other media outlets before it hit Youtube. Regardless, a poster making the claim that all Republicans are "racists" does not qualify as a "gross generalization" and "stereotype"? Oh, the irony. :lol:
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I don't think he really meant to say that ALL Republicans are racist. I think it's pretty clear that he was saying that he hears a lot of racist comments coming from Republicans, and I think that's pretty accurate.
 
AdamT said:
I don't think he really meant to say that ALL Republicans are racist. I think it's pretty clear that he was saying that he hears a lot of racist comments coming from Republicans, and I think that's pretty accurate.
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Maybe you are correct, but what I read was:

Maybe we just vote democrat because we think that republicans are racist a*******...
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X Factor said:
I haven't posted much in this forum. I admit to being disappointed in the results of the election, but some of the right wing excuses I'm hearing/seeing are making me cringe and making an already tough to swallow pill twice as big. It's Chris Christie's fault. It's Sandy's fault. It's the media's fault. Obama played the race card. Minorities stole the election by actually being involved and voting (that one was just embarrassing :3oops:). I could go on ad nauseaum.

My fellow, conservatives, aren't we the party of personal responsibility? Instead of looking for others, that we have zero control over, to blame, maybe we need to look inward. Are we not successfully conveying what we believe? Are we failing at actually exemplifying what we believe? Are there compromises we can (and should) make that don't violate our core principles? I don't know the answers to these questions, and there are far more question than just these, but I think the answers are worth persuing. Actually, I think it vital we do. I don't even know what the final election numbers are but we cannot claim that every one of the tens of millions of people who voted for Obama are stupid or out to destroy the country or whatever. On the contrary, I'd hazard to say that the massive majority of both "sides" share a lot of common ground. We have a choice, we can decide we're victims of circumstances we can't control, or we can decide to actully practice what we preach.
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Excellent post, Xy. :kissy:
 
FluffyNinja said:
Maybe you are correct, but what I read was:
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Yeah, he said it ... but I think he was saying that that was the emotional response to what he'd written before.
 
I forget who I was telling this to, but the white vote isn't something theh GOP can rely on as much anymore. Youth, women, latinos matter. There is no excuse why Obama got 70% of that vote.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, he said it ... but I think he was saying that that was the emotional response to what he'd written before.
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Typical. Bigoted statements by Liberals are conveniently "swept under the rug." I understand. :shrug:
 
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