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Obama did not win by a majority

TurtleDude said:
remind me who won the original count and recount in Fla before anyone ran to the courts?
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You mean the recount that the SC justices appointed by Bush Sr. stopped? Yeah thatwas Gore's recount. Bush's appointees didn't allow it. Go figure.
 
head of joaquin said:
You mean the recount that the SC justices appointed by Bush Sr. stopped? Yeah thatwas Gore's recount. Bush's appointees didn't allow it. Go figure.
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nope the original count and the recount? what you are babbling about was another recount where the Goretards wanted different standards in different counties
 
TurtleDude said:
nope the original count and the recount? what you are babbling about was another recount where the Goretards wanted different standards in different counties
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Oh dear, creative conservative history is on board.
 
head of joaquin said:
Oh dear, creative conservative history is on board.
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wrong again. why did BUSH win every single contest held in seven different TRIAL courts presided over by DEMOCRAT PARTY JUDGES/
 
joko104 said:
By vote totals - so far as it isn't over AND Florida NOT yet totalled, 3rd party and independent candidates received 1.43% of the vote. Thus, out of 119 million votes, Obama did not win with 50% of the vote. Obama won with 49% of the vote.

51% of American voted AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA. We need to remember a MAJORITY of Americans voted against him. He has NO mandate.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT. Note it over and over. Obama's win was only 49% of total votes cast. He received a PLURALITY, and NOT a MAJORITY.
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Google disagrees with you. Are they part of the liberal media?

Google Politics & Elections
 
I'm not even sure why he thought the point was important in the first place. What would be the purpose of pushing this "big lie" about not getting a majority of the votes?

roflpublican said:
unfortunately joko is right, and obama did not win a majority of the vote. our turnout is so low, you would need near 100% of people who voted to have an actual majority.
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This only works if you change the argument. Nobody was gauging by the number of eligible voters, but rather the actual number of votes cast.

And really, the idea that "the media" was not publishing the total vote... wow. I mean, that's some real head-in-sand **** right there. Might as well claim nobody is publishing what time sunrise is tomorrow.
 
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With all the votes CURRENTLY added, Obama's at 50.1%, which IS a majority.

Even if it ends up not being a majority...it doesn't really matter. The President won Re-election and it doesn't take a majority to make him President.

Whether or not he has a mandate is basically something that comes down to each individuals opinion. There's no universal rule. Even if after the various uncounted votes come in he winds up without a majority, I wouldn't say that somehow means anything different than it stands now. Then again, I don't particularly believe that winning less than 2/3rds of all the electoral bodies, less than 2/3rds of all the electoral votes, barely getting over 50% of the popular vote and only beating your nearest competitor by less than 5%, and managing to spur less of a turnout percentage than the previous Presidential election....on top of having the opposing party retain control in the House...is grounds for a "mandate" either.

What Barack Obama has is the Presidency, and some basic political capital that is pretty much commonly held in Washington for those who win the Presidency. Any notion of a "mandate" beyond that is purely opinion based and is something that the Presidents supporters will have to sell the public and the others in Washington...and frankly I don't think they have a strong argument for it (as a note, I didn't believe Bush had a "mandate" after 2004 either). But whether or not he had a majority or a plurality is rather irrelevant to me and doesn't change the fact that he won and is the President.
 
Zyphlin-

Shame on you, introducing common sense into the mix here! :mrgreen:
 
Obama won by the FRAUD VOTE. DUGH!


I saw it coming two years ago.
 
Zyphlin said:
With all the votes CURRENTLY added, Obama's at 50.1%, which IS a majority.

Even if it ends up not being a majority...it doesn't really matter. The President won Re-election and it doesn't take a majority to make him President.

Whether or not he has a mandate is basically something that comes down to each individuals opinion. There's no universal rule. Even if after the various uncounted votes come in he winds up without a majority, I wouldn't say that somehow means anything different than it stands now. Then again, I don't particularly believe that winning less than 2/3rds of all the electoral bodies, less than 2/3rds of all the electoral votes, barely getting over 50% of the popular vote and only beating your nearest competitor by less than 5%, and managing to spur less of a turnout percentage than the previous Presidential election....on top of having the opposing party retain control in the House...is grounds for a "mandate" either.

What Barack Obama has is the Presidency, and some basic political capital that is pretty much commonly held in Washington for those who win the Presidency. Any notion of a "mandate" beyond that is purely opinion based and is something that the Presidents supporters will have to sell the public and the others in Washington...and frankly I don't think they have a strong argument for it (as a note, I didn't believe Bush had a "mandate" after 2004 either). But whether or not he had a majority or a plurality is rather irrelevant to me and doesn't change the fact that he won and is the President.
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He's NOT my President, he's a election cheat, a blatant Racist, and a Traitor.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
He's NOT my President, he's a cheat and a Traitor.
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Some might say that making such accusations about your president makes you a traitor. :shrug:
 
AdamT said:
Some might say that making such accusations about your president makes you a traitor. :shrug:
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Bring it! This will only be resolved by a civil war.
 
Kurmugeon said:
He's NOT my President, he's a election cheat, a blatant Racist, and a Traitor.
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wrong. as long as you hold american citizenship, barack obama is indeed your president.

Kurmugeon said:
Bring it! This will only be resolved by a civil war.
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bring it indeed, as an armed obama voter, i'm ready when you are. :lamo

i won't let my country be torn apart by civil war because some ideologues are mad republican democracy didnt give them their way. i will fight that, with no moral inhibitions whatsoever, with hugs and kisses
extreme violence
if required.
 
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The popular vote currently stands at 50.55%, and most of the remaining outstanding ballots are in Washington and California. It looks like Obama will beat Bush II's popular vote margin.
 
AdamT said:
Good luck with that. :roll:
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good luck indeed, i truly hope not too many people have this 'baby mad, baby didnt get babys way, baby revolt now' mentality because i only have so much
ammunition
compassion
 
joko104 said:
The media, so far, has REFUSED to publish TOTAL votes casts, to try to make it falsely seem that Obama won a majority of the votes by 3 million and by 50.45% of the total vote.
That, of course is a lie.

By vote totals - so far as it isn't over AND Florida NOT yet totalled, 3rd party and independent candidates received 1.43% of the vote. Thus, out of 119 million votes, Obama did not win with 50% of the vote. Obama won with 49% of the vote.

51% of American voted AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA. We need to remember a MAJORITY of Americans voted against him. He has NO mandate.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT. Note it over and over. Obama's win was only 49% of total votes cast. He received a PLURALITY, and NOT a MAJORITY.
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George W. Bush got just 47.9% of the popular vote LESS than his opponent who got 48.8%

Obama got more votes than Romney if the raw votes are considered, he won the electoral college by a large margin.

Obama has the same mandate every US president has, he was elected, that is the only mandate he needs.
 
Seriously now...

Yes, Obama won.


However, calling it a "mandate", or acting as if it proves that Obama's version of liberalism is now the ideology of the vast majority of Americans, is being ridiculously hyperbolic.

He won the popular vote by a margin of less than 1% of the total population, and less than 3% of all those voting... hardly a landslide. Also, the margins in several key swing-states were razor-thin, often within the margin of error.

It was a VERY close election, and could easily have gone the other way.


That is hardly a "mandate", let alone proof that liberalism is now bullet-proof against future elections.
 
I see the denial state of the American Conservative movement was not destroyed by the reality of the election...
 
Yeah, let's stop calling it a mandate. The only mandate I saw was against the Tea Partiers and the extreme variety of anti-abortionists.

What Obama has is what we refer to as "political capital". ;)
 
So what, he still won. Get over it, the world isn't going to end.
 
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