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Question for those that think Republicans lost for not embracing the Tea Party

Zyphlin

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I have a question for those that believe the Republican losses in the Senate and in the Presidency are due to Republicans not embracing the Tea Party's message enough. Below is the Contract From America, the closest to a unified coherent message from the majority of tea party groups in terms of what the Tea Party is SUPPOSEDLY about:

1. Protect the Constitution: Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)

2. Reject Cap & Trade: Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)

3. Demand a Balanced Budget: Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform: Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington: Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)

6. End Runaway Government Spending: Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care: Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)

8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy: Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)

9. Stop the Pork: Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)

10. Stop the Tax Hikes: Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)

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Could you please indicate a few things of me.

One, specifically....which portions of the Tea Party message do you think Romney, or the Senators that lost, did not adequately champion and how?

Two, what about this election gives you the feeling that the answers to the first question are what cost them their race?
 
Any organizations can give you a "contract" or "constitution" but the Tea Parties is which many tea party elected members did not live up too.
 
I have a question for those that believe the Republican losses in the Senate and in the Presidency are due to Republicans not embracing the Tea Party's message enough. Below is the Contract From America, the closest to a unified coherent message from the majority of tea party groups in terms of what the Tea Party is SUPPOSEDLY about:



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Could you please indicate a few things of me.

One, specifically....which portions of the Tea Party message do you think Romney, or the Senators that lost, did not adequately champion and how?

Two, what about this election gives you the feeling that the answers to the first question are what cost them their race?

I think Romney championed the concepts laid out in the Contract. But when people vote on abortion issues and gay marriage as their number 1 pirorities, these issues are irrelevant to them.

That answers both questions I think.
 
Are you suggesting abortion and gay marriage are "tea party" issues?
 
Are you suggesting abortion and gay marriage are "tea party" issues?

You asked about the Republicans loss. The Republicans lost because the people who didn't vote for them didn't have any interest in balanced budgets, stopping the tax hikes, stopping pork spending, etc.
 
Are you suggesting abortion and gay marriage are "tea party" issues?

I would say that yes, they may not have started out as tea party issues, but they are now.
 
Are you suggesting abortion and gay marriage are "tea party" issues?

Michele Bachmann is the chair of the Tea Party Caucus. Tea Party backed candidates are almost always more socially conservative than republicans. The inference is not hard to make.
 
The problem is not the contract. the problem is the tea party is completelyu against freedom and choice.

The tea party wants to take abortion away entirely under religious reasons. That is respecting a religion and is forbidden by the constituion.

The tea party wants to ban gay marriage for biblcal reasons, which again violates the separation of church and state since the marriage contract is federally recognized and receives federal benefits denied to gays.

The tea party wants to reject programs to lower pollution. i don't care if you believe in global warming or not, pollution is a problem even without it, and we can make things cleaner.

The tea party is anti many groups that make up america. they are pro-white and are as close to white supremist as you can get without joining the klan. I can see why that may turn off many people.

the claims they made up are ok, and some are not terrible ideas, but they don't play for any of those. they focus on prejudicial social policies and the adoption of christian value systems and even the making of an official US religion. they are the radical right, and they have turned away from their small government roots by trying to enforce these large government prejudicial ideals that cost a ton and don't accomplish the goals. Even the republicans are turning away from their fail. I actually think if the reps would let the crazies go tea party and then come to the middle ground more they would become a viable party again and actually suck in enough disgruntled dems and independents to win. Let the tea party be a third party in obscurity where it belongs.
 
Are you suggesting abortion and gay marriage are "tea party" issues?

Let moderate republicans take the hard stand on gun rights which is important and let the religious radical issues go tea party. i don't see any problem with having freedom to abort early term pregnancies and banning it in the case of danger to the mother, and perhaps rape in the 3rd trimester. that is 6 months of freedom to chose, and even though I think that a woman who decides she can't should be allowed not to, but I can see banning it in the third trimester because you had your chance. At least that can be said to be a non-religious stance on it. the life begins at conception is a religious argument, but the present system of doing that gives a woman the time to make the right choice for her, and the baby is getting pretty big by the end of the second trimester anyway.

gay marriage is a religious issue anyway. The government is not a religious institution. the marriage contract as the government is concerned is a legal contract between 2 consenting adults, and we do not limit contracts like that by gender. It doesn't provide any religious recognition at all, and the only reason to deny it is based purely on religious reasons. So we allow it and we keep it between consenting adults. this eliminates children, animals, and pe3ople unable to consent. Along as we keep consenting adults in there we eliminate most arguments which include a slippery slope to bestiality and child sex and marriage.

maybe abortion should stay republican instead of fringe tea party for the simple fact we don't5 want to slide too far down the road and start debating removing living children from the world. I guess it is good to have an opposition in that aspect to keep us in the area of respecting a woman's rights to her body and respecting the life she gives birth to. but the gay thing should certainly go obscure third party. It is great they want to say it, freedom says they can, but they should be relegated to the same area that people who think slavery should come back, gays should be imprisoned or killed, women should not have rights, pedophiles should have rights, or any of the other crazy ideas we tolerate expression of, but would not go back to.
 
I would say that yes, they may not have started out as tea party issues, but they are now.

Michele Bachmann is the chair of the Tea Party Caucus. Tea Party backed candidates are almost always more socially conservative than republicans. The inference is not hard to make.

The problem is not the contract. the problem is the tea party is completelyu against freedom and choice.

The tea party wants to take abortion away entirely under religious reasons. That is respecting a religion and is forbidden by the constituion.

The tea party wants to ban gay marriage for biblcal reasons, which again violates the separation of church and state since the marriage contract is federally recognized and receives federal benefits denied to gays.

The tea party wants to reject programs to lower pollution. i don't care if you believe in global warming or not, pollution is a problem even without it, and we can make things cleaner.

The tea party is anti many groups that make up america. they are pro-white and are as close to white supremist as you can get without joining the klan. I can see why that may turn off many people.

the claims they made up are ok, and some are not terrible ideas, but they don't play for any of those. they focus on prejudicial social policies and the adoption of christian value systems and even the making of an official US religion. they are the radical right, and they have turned away from their small government roots by trying to enforce these large government prejudicial ideals that cost a ton and don't accomplish the goals. Even the republicans are turning away from their fail. I actually think if the reps would let the crazies go tea party and then come to the middle ground more they would become a viable party again and actually suck in enough disgruntled dems and independents to win. Let the tea party be a third party in obscurity where it belongs.

Any of y'all got a link?

Or is this just your baseless opinion?
 
Any of y'all got a link?

Or is this just your baseless opinion?

A link to what? this is their actions. you are aware a person can claim to be for one thing and do something completely different? Not to mention nmany of their people are pushing for things that are not in their parties statement. that is not a matter of a link, but a matter of looking at the person. You have Bachmnan, alan west, sarah palin, and people like that who all shiow the real direction of the tea party.
 
Any of y'all got a link?

Or is this just your baseless opinion?

Look at their nominee's, and their elected officials, and you will see.
 
Look at their nominee's, and their elected officials, and you will see.

Show me a link...otherwise I'll assume you are BSing.
 
A link to what? this is their actions. you are aware a person can claim to be for one thing and do something completely different? Not to mention nmany of their people are pushing for things that are not in their parties statement. that is not a matter of a link, but a matter of looking at the person. You have Bachmnan, alan west, sarah palin, and people like that who all shiow the real direction of the tea party.

Again...show me a link or you got nothing but bias.
 
Show me a link...otherwise I'll assume you are BSing.

It's not my fault you haven't been paying attention to what all of the tea party candidates have been saying about abortion, SSM, etc.
 
It's not my fault you haven't been paying attention to what all of the tea party candidates have been saying about abortion, SSM, etc.

Just as I thought. You got nothing but baseless bias.

Begone, babe.
 
I have a question for those that believe the Republican losses in the Senate and in the Presidency are due to Republicans not embracing the Tea Party's message enough. Below is the Contract From America, the closest to a unified coherent message from the majority of tea party groups in terms of what the Tea Party is SUPPOSEDLY about:


Zyphlin the contract with america was 1993 almost 20 yrs ago...in politics thats 2 centuries. The country was different 20 yrs ago than it is today.

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Could you please indicate a few things of me.

One, specifically....which portions of the Tea Party message do you think Romney, or the Senators that lost, did not adequately champion and how?

Two, what about this election gives you the feeling that the answers to the first question are what cost them their race?



The republicans lost for a variety of reasons as I see it. The foremost reason is that the GOP can no longer win elections being the party of the rich and the white man. Mitt Romney got 61% of the white vote and Obama 38 and he lost the election. No one has ever gotten anywhere near 60% of the white vote and LOST. America is not the same America as even 20 yrs ago.
The Republican parties main issues are dwindling. Evangelicals are getting fewer. Gun Control is geting to be less and less an issue. More people are becoming pro choice.
Theres more in my opinion. Theres more and more NON-RICH individuals rejecting the gops Trickle down economics give us rich guys a tax cut crap. Less and less people believe corporations need more of a free reign to wreak havoc on the populace with No regulations and the final straw was this outright attack on the working class blaming them for everything that was wrong with america, that didnt work and the Paul Ryan lets destroy medicare and give my buddies another big tax cut and that will fix america budget. Paul Ryan couldnt even deliver wisconsin to Romney and if you dont think disgruntled public workers and their immediate and extended families had something to do with that loss your wrong.
The republican party has to dump the extreme no compromise we want what we want and we are of the rich and for the rich and nothing less attitude of the teapartiests or they will lose the next 8 yrs after obama handily.
 
The republicans lost for a variety of reasons as I see it. The foremost reason is that the GOP can no longer win elections being the party of the rich and the white man. Mitt Romney got 61% of the white vote and Obama 38 and he lost the election. No one has ever gotten anywhere near 60% of the white vote and LOST. America is not the same America as even 20 yrs ago.
The Republican parties main issues are dwindling. Evangelicals are getting fewer. Gun Control is geting to be less and less an issue. More people are becoming pro choice.
Theres more in my opinion. Theres more and more NON-RICH individuals rejecting the gops Trickle down economics give us rich guys a tax cut crap. Less and less people believe corporations need more of a free reign to wreak havoc on the populace with No regulations and the final straw was this outright attack on the working class blaming them for everything that was wrong with america, that didnt work and the Paul Ryan lets destroy medicare and give my buddies another big tax cut and that will fix america budget. Paul Ryan couldnt even deliver wisconsin to Romney and if you dont think disgruntled public workers and their immediate and extended families had something to do with that loss your wrong.
The republican party has to dump the extreme no compromise we want what we want and we are of the rich and for the rich and nothing less attitude of the teapartiests or they will lose the next 8 yrs after obama handily.

I disagree with you.

I think the only reason Obama won is because he succeeded (with the help of a compliant media) in painting Romney as a rich, tax avoiding, out of touch millionaire who doesn't care about the people or the country...while avoiding any criticism of his own failed policies.

It worked...he won.

End of story.
 
I disagree with you.

I think the only reason Obama won is because he succeeded (with the help of a compliant media) in painting Romney as a rich, tax avoiding, out of touch millionaire who doesn't care about the people or the country...while avoiding any criticism of his own failed policies.

It worked...he won.

End of story.

Your simplistic view is ridiculous and I totally disagree with you.
 
And you can go with her.

No really, I know where clarification to you leads. you wont see it anyway. I will do it for someone else, but with you i just figure you wont ever see my point of view no matter how obvious.
 
I disagree with you.

I think the only reason Obama won is because he succeeded (with the help of a compliant media) in painting Romney as a rich, tax avoiding, out of touch millionaire who doesn't care about the people or the country...while avoiding any criticism of his own failed policies.

It worked...he won.

End of story.

Actually he won because of superior campaign infrastructure and because Romney never made the case that he was a superior alternative. Crying that a candidate ran negative ads about the other is silly, they both spent hudreds of millions of dollars doing that. The whole media thing is just playing the victim card.
 
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