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I'm a Registered Democrat, Converted Libertarian & I just voted straight Republican

Kurmugeon

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So I am a Registered Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008.


I have always been a Libertarian leaning centrist.


I just stood in line for two hours to vote straight Republican in New Mexico. Its not a swing state, so it won't really matter, other than perhaps for a Senate seat.


Pragmatic politics makes for strange fellows.


I doubt I’ll ever vote Democratic again, unless there is a dramatic change in party policy with respect to Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination (aka Affirmative Action) and limited government / budgets / deficits.


I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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Welcome to enlightenment! :wcm
 
Re: I'm a Registered Democrat, Converted Libertarian & I just voted straight Republic

Kurmugeon said:
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So I am a Registered Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008.


I have always been a Libertarian leaning centrist.


I just stood in line for two hours to vote straight Republican in New Mexico. Its not a swing state, so it won't really matter, other than perhaps for a Senate seat.


Pragmatic politics makes for strange fellows.


I doubt I’ll ever vote Democratic again, unless there is a dramatic change in party policy with respect to Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination (aka Affirmative Action) and limited government / budgets / deficits.


I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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Welcome home, brother.
 
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I'm sure out there somewhere is a registered Republican who voted straight ticket Dem.....nothing earth shattering about that.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
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So I am a Registered Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008.


I have always been a Libertarian leaning centrist.


I just stood in line for two hours to vote straight Republican in New Mexico. Its not a swing state, so it won't really matter, other than perhaps for a Senate seat.


Pragmatic politics makes for strange fellows.


I doubt I’ll ever vote Democratic again, unless there is a dramatic change in party policy with respect to Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination (aka Affirmative Action) and limited government / budgets / deficits.


I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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Side question for you, what age are you right now?
 
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straykatz said:
I'm sure out there somewhere is a registered Republican who voted straight ticket Dem.....nothing earth shattering about that.
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Actually, that would be earth shattering...
 
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Kurmugeon said:
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So I am a Registered Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008.


I have always been a Libertarian leaning centrist.


I just stood in line for two hours to vote straight Republican in New Mexico. Its not a swing state, so it won't really matter, other than perhaps for a Senate seat.


Pragmatic politics makes for strange fellows.


I doubt I’ll ever vote Democratic again, unless there is a dramatic change in party policy with respect to Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination (aka Affirmative Action) and limited government / budgets / deficits.


I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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Yep. The democratic party has lost its way. Been there, done that.
 
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straykatz said:
I'm sure out there somewhere is a registered Republican who voted straight ticket Dem.....nothing earth shattering about that.
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I've been a Democrat who voted independently for 20+ years, this is the first time that when I finnished filling out the ballot, there was not a single Democrat will a filled in oval.


No, it is not earth shattering, but the Democrats have forever lost the Working White American vote by the actions of Obama. The Democrats cannot win without that voting bloc.


President Obama, Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett and the BLT wing of the Democrats have changed the Dems into a fringe, minor, third party. Racism is self-defeating.


The Field is now wide open for a new Second Party and that is fairly earth shaking.


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Kurmugeon said:
I've been a Democrat who voted independently for 20+ years, this is the first time that when I finnished filling out the ballot, there was not a single Democrat will a filled in oval.


No, it is not earth shattering, but the Democrats have forever lost the Working White American vote by the actions of Obama. The Democrats cannot win without that voting bloc.


President Obama, Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett and the BLT wing of the Democrats have changed the Dems into a fringe, minor, third party. Racism is self-defeating.


The Field is now wide open for a new Second Party.


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I don't see it with the same severity as you. In fact the average working American has more to fear under the presidency of a man who believes good business pratice is outsourcing.....so does this mean if our country continues to fail in this failing global economy that he will sell off our country's assest and then outsource the few remaining jobs to China?
 
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Kurmugeon said:
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So I am a Registered Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008.


I have always been a Libertarian leaning centrist.


I just stood in line for two hours to vote straight Republican in New Mexico. Its not a swing state, so it won't really matter, other than perhaps for a Senate seat.


Pragmatic politics makes for strange fellows.


I doubt I’ll ever vote Democratic again, unless there is a dramatic change in party policy with respect to Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination (aka Affirmative Action) and limited government / budgets / deficits.


I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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When I was a kid I used to be pretty progressive, but by the time I was 20 I realized progressives were full of it. I was always libertarian, however I realized progressives were not liberal - they were authoritarian. I generally nominate the libertarian candidate, usually they don't get nominated so I vote republican. I suppose I do vote for some democrats for local office, only because sometimes crazy neo-cons run who are more authoritarian than the democrat.

I suppose I could vote for Gary Johnson but that would be a waste of a vote because hes not going to win and I want Obama booted.

I always vote for the least authoritarian candidate on the ballot regardless of political party.

Illinois is pretty interesting because there is no party registration...
 
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straykatz said:
I don't see it with the same severity as you. In fact the average working American has more to fear under the presidency of a man who believes good business pratice is outsourcing.....so does this mean if our country continues to fail in this failing global economy that he will sell off our country's assest and then outsource the few remaining jobs to China?
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You mean like the Billions in American Tax dollars spent as "Stimulus" funds which Obama sent to China, Brazil and the Netherlands?


Romney is a businessman, and he will lead as a pragmatic businessman. If America offers better productivity, and higher quality product, and a lower operating cost, we will bring factories, jobs, and prosperity back to America.


Obama is a socialist BLT radical; he sent our oil drilling rights to Brazil, along with our tax dollars, to punish America for its sins of colonialism.


I can do something about productivity, worker education, and operating costs. And I'd be PROUD to do so.


I can't change what happened in American or Kenyan History 100+ years ago, any more than I can decide what skin tone to be born with...
 
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straykatz said:
I don't see it with the same severity as you. In fact the average working American has more to fear under the presidency of a man who believes good business pratice is outsourcing.....so does this mean if our country continues to fail in this failing global economy that he will sell off our country's assest and then outsource the few remaining jobs to China?
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What is wrong with outsourcing?

Outsourcing actually creates jobs. Outsourcing creates a cheaper product, hence more demand hence more jobs, such as transportation, retail and so on. Those jobs create more positions in accounting, more gas station attendants etc... I suppose we wouldn't have that if we were paying union workers 30 bucks an hour to make a $1,500 32 inch LCD TV. Why? because you cant afford it.

Outsourcing is a good thing.

Cheap affordable products keeps you employed no matter your profession.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
You mean like the Billions in American Tax dollars spent as "Stimulus" funds which Obama sent to China, Brazil and the Netherlands?


Romney is a businessman, and he will lead as pragmatic businessman. If America offers better productivity, and higher quality product, and a lower operating cost, we will bring factories, jobs, and prosperity back to America.


Obama is a socialist BLT radical, he sent our oil drilling rights to Braizil, along with our tax dollars, to punish America for its sins of collonialism.


I can do something about productivity, worker education, and operating costs. And I'd be PROUND to do so.


I can't change what happened in American or Kenyan History 100+ years ago, any more than I can decide what skin tone to be born with...
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For the record...my candidate of choice had nothing to do with the color of his skin.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
What is wrong with outsourcing?

Outsourcing actually creates jobs. Outsourcing creates a cheaper product, hence more demand hence more jobs, such as transportation, retail and so on.

Outsourcing is a good thing.

Cheap affordable products keeps you employed no matter your profession.
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People get those confused all the time (it's this stupid political reframing of language) - offshoring and outsourcing are not the same thing. Outsourcing is fine, it's the offshoring most actually object to.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
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So I am a Registered Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008.


I have always been a Libertarian leaning centrist.


I just stood in line for two hours to vote straight Republican in New Mexico. Its not a swing state, so it won't really matter, other than perhaps for a Senate seat.


Pragmatic politics makes for strange fellows.


I doubt I’ll ever vote Democratic again, unless there is a dramatic change in party policy with respect to Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination (aka Affirmative Action) and limited government / budgets / deficits.


I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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Than you for taking the time to vote.
 
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clownboy said:
People get those confused all the time (it's this stupid political reframing of language) - offshoring and outsourcing are not the same thing. Outsourcing is fine, it's the offshoring most actually object to.
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I was going to bring that up but decided not to.

Yeah, offshoring does nothing for our economy... A bunch of IT guys in India does nothing for us....

I have no problem with outsourcing... Outsourcing drives demand and demand creates jobs.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
What is wrong with outsourcing?

Outsourcing actually creates jobs. Outsourcing creates a cheaper product, hence more demand hence more jobs, such as transportation, retail and so on. Those jobs create more positions in accounting, more gas station attendants etc... I suppose we wouldn't have that if we were paying union workers 30 bucks an hour to make a $1,500 32 inch LCD TV. Why? because you cant afford it.

Outsourcing is a good thing.

Cheap affordable products keeps you employed no matter your profession.
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I would be 100% with you on this if it was only over-paid labor union manufacturing jobs that are lost but we are losing more white collar jobs than blue collar....and unless we find ways to employ our people with jobs that will support them in our economy not minimum wage jobs then we are going to eventually have no one left with money to buy those cheap products or support those service industry jobs....those jobs gone off-shore are not coming back....businesses are looking for profit....cheap labor brings them huge profits yet our cost of everything from their products to their services keeps going up and up....they sucked this economy dry and let's face reality....their loyalty is where the money is made not with American workers.
 
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straykatz said:
For the record...my candidate of choice had nothing to do with the color of his skin.
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I did not pick Republicans because of their skin color, I chose Republicans because they won't hold my or my children's or grandchildren's skin color against them.


President Obama and Democratic Party DOES hold our skin color against us.


Obama's problem is not his Race, it is his willing acceptance of RACISM.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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You only get that if you support third party choices today. By not supporting third parties, you've just made it that much harder to have a real third party choice next time.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
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So I am a Registered Democrat who voted for Obama in 2008.


I have always been a Libertarian leaning centrist.


I just stood in line for two hours to vote straight Republican in New Mexico. Its not a swing state, so it won't really matter, other than perhaps for a Senate seat.


Pragmatic politics makes for strange fellows.


I doubt I’ll ever vote Democratic again, unless there is a dramatic change in party policy with respect to Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination (aka Affirmative Action) and limited government / budgets / deficits.


I hope in the next mid-term election I have real third party choices, don’t you?


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I used to be a liberal leaning centrist... but the nation's woes of the past decade or so have pushed me further and futher right, as I've felt the left has been going further and further left...

Still, by 1996 I had come to the conclusion I would vote independent and third party candidates in every election... unless a candidate really grabbed me...

However, on every ballot Ive filled out I've filled in at least 1 Independent, 1 Republican, and 1 Democrat... but mostly independents... until today...

Now, if you count Scott Brown as independent, that held true, today... But I think it listed him as a Republican...

If that's the case I voted 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat, and no third party or independent candidates... a shocker, to me..


Where are the qualified legitimate independent centrist candidates???

I see Romney, Brown, Christie, etc. in this light, but they're all in bed with the Republican Party... that they have trouble bringing in the appeal of the moderate Democrats...
 
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Ikari said:
You only get that if you support third party choices today. By not supporting third parties, you've just made it that much harder to have a real third party choice next time.
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There is SOME truth in this statement.


But there are two ways a current third party can become strong and viable, one is for a current member of the two parties to become much weaker.


The Democratic Party has chosen to completely abandon Working White Americans, that makes them much weaker.


My hope is by 2014 & 2016, the Democratic Party will be so much weaker, that the Libertarians will look like the more viable option when you want to not vote for Republicans.


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Kurmugeon said:
There is SOME truth in this statement.
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It's all true. Our system works off of aggregation of votes. If you don't aggregate, you cannot push forward. The Republocrats know this and use the "lesser of two evils" strategy to keep power even though they support the same status quo. If you want change, you cannot support the status quo. It's illogical to think so.
 
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straykatz said:
I would be 100% with you on this if it was only over-paid labor union manufacturing jobs that are lost but we are losing more white collar jobs than blue collar....and unless we find ways to employ our people with jobs that will support them in our economy not minimum wage jobs then we are going to eventually have no one left with money to buy those cheap products or support those service industry jobs....those jobs gone off-shore are not coming back....businesses are looking for profit....cheap labor brings them huge profits yet our cost of everything from their products to their services keeps going up and up....they sucked this economy dry and let's face reality....their loyalty is where the money is made not with American workers.
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I don't really see white collar jobs being lost to outsourcing... Sure IT jobs but other than that I just don't see it.

The cheaper the product the more demand, and that demand trickles up to the white collar jobs - more accountants, more secretaries etc..

Unions are just horrible - they will make just as crappy as a product but charge 10x the price do to labor costs, which in reality only those making 10x the labor costs can afford the product...

I mean, the 20 year old kid working for 8 bucks an hour at Burger King can afford a 200 dollar TV, but he wouldn't be able to shell out 1,500 for a US union made TV.

With that said it's cheap and affordable products that actually drives our economy - not only that but keeps inflation low.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
I don't really see white collar jobs being lost to outsourcing... Sure IT jobs but other than that I just don't see it.

The cheaper the product the more demand, and that demand trickles up to the white collar jobs - more accountants, more secretaries etc..

Unions are just horrible - they will make just as crappy as a product but charge 10x the price do to labor costs, which in reality only those making 10x the labor costs can afford the product...

I mean, the 20 year old kid working for 8 bucks an hour at Burger King can afford a 200 dollar TV, but he wouldn't be able to shell out 1,500 for a US union made TV.

With that said it's cheap and affordable products that actually drives our economy - not only that but keeps inflation low.
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We have lost a lot more than IT jobs in the whiter collar sector and we continue to lose white collar jobs as technology makes it easier for jobs to be done remotely, specifically offshore.

Anyways....bottom line.....these jobs will NEVER return...what we need to do is find a way to prevent anymore jobs loss for this reason....I don't believe Obama has a solution and considering Romney has been at the forefront of outsourcing jobs I am hard pressed to believe he has a solution.
 
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Kurmugeon said:
I've been a Democrat who voted independently for 20+ years, this is the first time that when I finnished filling out the ballot, there was not a single Democrat will a filled in oval.


No, it is not earth shattering, but the Democrats have forever lost the Working White American vote by the actions of Obama. The Democrats cannot win without that voting bloc.


President Obama, Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett and the BLT wing of the Democrats have changed the Dems into a fringe, minor, third party. Racism is self-defeating.


The Field is now wide open for a new Second Party and that is fairly earth shaking.


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Interesting that, in claiming that the Dems are racist, you pointed your finger at three African Americans ... in fact, three of the very few African Americans in the WH or cabinet. You also list affirmative action as one of your top concerns, though, AFAIK, Obama has done nothing to expand affirmativec action. I'm thinking YOU may be the racist in this picture.
 
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