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What is the Loss Narrative?

Guy Incognito said:
Not gonna happen. You're too much of a naïf to discuss this objectively; you're too emotionally invested in your side.

You are going to be real disappointed tomorrow.
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So, it's your opinion that 2010 has nothing to do with 2012?

Or is that too emotional for you?
 
cpwill said:
In 2004, I remember being astonished at how quickly Democrats turned on John Kerry, declaring him to have been a deeply flawed candidate, etc. and so forth. In 2008, Republicans shrugged their shoulders and said whatchagonnado with an economy in free fall, a war-weary nation, and a political naif who is incredibly good at allowing others to project their hopes onto him, but no record to discount his abilities.


So put yourself in Nov 7 - what is the loss narrative for either side? What do Democrats blame? Republicans?
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When Obama loses it will be similar to the BS we hear here: You racists... you idiots. Americans will be at fault. Yes, Americans were at fault for electing Obama; now given enough information, they are going to correct their mistake.

This is going to be one huge bitch slap across the lips of the media.
Their heads are going to explode like the Fembots in Austin Powers.

 
CedarBear said:
So, it's your opinion that 2010 has nothing to do with 2012?

Or is that too emotional for you?
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No, my considered and objective assessment of the facts is that the Republicans wasted all their momentum in 2010. If they had held back and let the Democrats win in 2010, they would have had a sure victory in 2012.

And yes, you are still being too emotional, as evidenced by your snarky last line. Try to chill out and be objective.
 
cpwill said:
In 2004, I remember being astonished at how quickly Democrats turned on John Kerry, declaring him to have been a deeply flawed candidate, etc. and so forth. In 2008, Republicans shrugged their shoulders and said whatchagonnado with an economy in free fall, a war-weary nation, and a political naif who is incredibly good at allowing others to project their hopes onto him, but no record to discount his abilities.


So put yourself in Nov 7 - what is the loss narrative for either side? What do Democrats blame? Republicans?
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If Obama wins, I'm going to get drunk.

If Romney wins, I'm going to get drunk.

My point you ask? By Wednesday morning, my narrative could be damn near anything.
 
apdst said:
If Obama wins, I'm going to get drunk.

If Romney wins, I'm going to get drunk.

My point you ask? By Wednesday morning, my narrative could be damn near anything.
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Really? In the middle of the week?
 
Guy Incognito said:
Really? In the middle of the week?
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I'm off work till next tuesday, my man. I can do just about anything I want. I get a two week vacation, every month and I make the best of it. We're going to have a few people over tomorrow night, cook some leg quarters, drink beer and watch the election unfold. Like a political super bowl...it's going to be fun!
 
Guy Incognito said:
Obama cannot lose because the fundamentals are all in his favor. It is delusional to think that Romney can win, it is delusional even to think that the race is close.
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ah yes. those amorphous "fundamentals". Such as a rocking economy, a successful foreign policy, and a history of bipartisan success in office.

Look, Obama may win :shrug: it's at this point a contest between base-turnouts with a sliver of independents. But the notion that this thing is in the bag is (imo) at this point ludicrous on either side.
 
apdst said:
I'm off work till next tuesday, my man. I can do just about anything I want. I get a two week vacation, every month and I make the best of it. We're going to have a few people over tomorrow night, cook some leg quarters, drink beer and watch the election unfold. Like a political super bowl...it's going to be fun!
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Lucky duck. Good for you, enjoy yourself!:thumbs:
 
apdst said:
I'm off work till next tuesday, my man. I can do just about anything I want. I get a two week vacation, every month and I make the best of it. We're going to have a few people over tomorrow night, cook some leg quarters, drink beer and watch the election unfold. Like a political super bowl...it's going to be fun!
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:( Wish I could do that. I will spend much of the 6th flying across the Pacific, and then collapsing into bed.
 
cpwill said:
ah yes. those amorphous "fundamentals". Such as a rocking economy, a successful foreign policy, and a history of bipartisan success in office.

Look, Obama may win :shrug: it's at this point a contest between base-turnouts with a sliver of independents. But the notion that this thing is in the bag is (imo) at this point ludicrous on either side.
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You're too concerned with substance. You need to jettison that baggage.

The fundamentals are good looks, likeability, the bully pulpit, a good ground game, and the overall momentum working in his favor. Obama WILL win because of fundamentals, not substantive issues.
 
Guy Incognito said:
You're too concerned with substance. You need to jettison that baggage.

The fundamentals are good looks, likeability, the bully pulpit, a good ground game, and the overall momentum working in his favor. Obama WILL win because of fundamentals, not substantive issues.
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Voters #1 issue is the economy. Romney consistently wins on "the economy". The best Obama does is occasionally tie. Furthermore, the momentum is in Romney's favor. Sandy degraded that, she does not seem to have flipped it (yet - she may have and it just hasn't shown up yet and won't till tomorrow). This thing is not in the bag, and likely won't be until late tomorrow evening.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
Obama cannot lose because the fundamentals are all in his favor. It is delusional to think that Romney can win, it is delusional even to think that the race is close.
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... Bookmarked for reference on Wednesday ... :mrgreen:
 
cpwill said:
Voters #1 issue is the economy. Romney consistently wins on "the economy". The best Obama does is occasionally tie. Furthermore, the momentum is in Romney's favor. Sandy degraded that, she does not seem to have flipped it (yet - she may have and it just hasn't shown up yet and won't till tomorrow).
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Issues? You're still talking about substance. Quit thinking of the voters as thinking people, or you will never understand politics.
If you think the momentum is in Romney's favor, you probably only get your news from outlets that confirm your right wing emotional bias.
Your opinion is meaningless, what matters are the fundamentals. Obama will win, it's a sure thing.
 
Ontologuy said:
I'm uncertain on this. Some people make excuses .. others just sit with it ...

If Romney loses, however, the fault will be with the Libertarian Party that didn't do the honorable thing and fall on its sword encouraging those who would vote for Johnson to vote for Romney.

If Obama loses, the fault will be with American citizens, who suddenly became politically astute enough to realize that Obama is killing America, dismantling America slowly, in the name of his Multi-Cultural Internationalist ideological mindset and its compulsion to create a one-world borderless nationless U.N. government.

Ultimately, from a party perspective, if you field a truly great candidate, one whom the people recognize as obviously having what it takes, and you present that candidate within a political philosophy held by the great majority of Americans, you don't need to make excuses, because you don't lose.

On Nov. 7th, the losing party will simply have to accept that they didn't do a good enough job of selling their candidate to the centrists, and the winning party will simply have to count their very lucky stars.
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Very well said!
 
Guy Incognito said:
The fundamentals are good looks, likeability, the bully pulpit, a good ground game, and the overall momentum working in his favor. Obama WILL win because of fundamentals, not substantive issues.
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Ah, the fundamentals of style over substance. Would it surprise you to learn that many of us are concerned with the fundamentals of substance?
 
cpwill said:
:( Wish I could do that. I will spend much of the 6th flying across the Pacific, and then collapsing into bed.
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I'm going to twist off a couple, just for you.
 
If Romney wins, the Democrats will say the election was stolen. I guarantee there will be lawsuits.

If Obama wins, it's because the country has degraded morally and intellectually, and we are not the same country we used to be.
 
Diogenes said:
Ah, the fundamentals of style over substance. Would it surprise you to learn that many of us are concerned with the fundamentals of substance?
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That's hilarious.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Issues? You're still talking about substance. Quit thinking of the voters as thinking people, or you will never understand politics.
If you think the momentum is in Romney's favor, you probably only get your news from outlets that confirm your right wing emotional bias.
Your opinion is meaningless, what matters are the fundamentals. Obama will win, it's a sure thing.
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He may win. It is in no way a sure thing, your just-so fallacies nonetheless.
 
anywho, we let G.I. hijack the thread. This isn't a thread about who wins, but about what happens after.
 
cpwill said:
He may win. It is in no way a sure thing, your just-so fallacies nonetheless.
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There is no fallacy, this is a matter of fact. If you looked at it objectively you would be able to see that.
 
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