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Did Chris Christie gun down Romney? [W:106]

obvious Child said:
If Obama hadn't screwed the pooch on that, he would likely have this election in the bag. I haven't met any reasonable person here who thinks Mitt is a good candidate.
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Possibly true. I do think Romney was a better candidate than the alternatives, sans Huntsman, and he's been good enough to get my vote. But I do believe a more charismatic candidate running a sharper campaign would be ahead of Obama right now.
 
He didn't gun down anyone. Christie didn't do anything wrong, he did things right though. He was doing his job and praised Obama for doing his in this situation with Hurricane Sandy.

I find the dose of honesty purely refreshing.
 
Fisher said:
Nope. His screw politics has been played well by the left, far more overstated than it was. You would think Christie endorsed Obama the way the left plays it. With PA a tie, I'd say that Christie has been irrelevant.
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The way the left has played it? It's Murdoch that threatened Christie to get back in line.
 
Van Basten said:
He didn't gun down anyone. Christie didn't do anything wrong, he did things right though. He was doing his job and praised Obama for doing his in this situation with Hurricane Sandy.

I find the dose of honesty purely refreshing.
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Are you kidding?

Conservatives will remember this if Christie runs for president 4 years from now.
 
Anagram said:
Possibly true. I do think Romney was a better candidate than the alternatives, sans Huntsman, and he's been good enough to get my vote. But I do believe a more charismatic candidate running a sharper campaign would be ahead of Obama right now.
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If Romney didn't flip flop on everything, he would be in a much better position. Man has rightfully earned the reputation as willing to do or say anything to get elected. What does Mitt Romney actually believe? Only Mitt knows.

Ugh. I do agree that Mitt was better then the rest sans Huntsman (or Johnson). But there's no way in hell that a moderate to liberal social can actually win the nomination without abandoning their positions. I'd take Mitt over Bachmann any day.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Are you kidding?

Conservatives will remember this if Christie runs for president 4 years from now.
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No doubt, it's not as if I was saying such a thing wouldn't be possible or that all his fellow conservatives would be reasonable about this. He was still being genuine and honest though, that's the point.
 
obvious Child said:
If Obama hadn't screwed the pooch on that, he would likely have this election in the bag. I haven't met any reasonable person here who thinks Mitt is a good candidate.
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I think he is a good candidate. he has an admirable record in the private sector, was a decent governor. and excellent businessman, a superb student and there is not a hint of scandal. I cannot think of anyone else in contention who was better. And he certainly is better than Obama
 
johnny_rebson said:
Are you kidding?

Conservatives will remember this if Christie runs for president 4 years from now.
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I definitely believe they will. But Republicans should. Christie is not reliable, but foolish. Saying Obama was a great president was foolish at best. It was not necessary for Christie to give Obama that sound bite to express appreciation to Obama.

With it, Democrats and the media ran that sound bite over and over and over - rather than the sound bite of people saying "we're dying!"

I am confident that Christie will not be speaking at another Republican convention again. If he offered anyone an endorsement in the future, the response should be "thanks, but I decline it."
 
TurtleDude said:
I think he is a good candidate. he has an admirable record in the private sector, was a decent governor. and excellent businessman, a superb student and there is not a hint of scandal. I cannot think of anyone else in contention who was better. And he certainly is better than Obama
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Aside from dual bailouts.
And his potential tax evasion in 2009.
And the fact he changes positions like he changes underwear.
Yeah he made money, but that doesn't translate to a good President. We had excellent businessmen in office and they all lead to disasters.
He's a decent governor if you're a moderate. He's not a decent governor if you're Conservative.

Yes, Mitt is better then Cain, Bachmann, Santorum and Gringrich, but that's not saying all that much.

Huntsman and Johnson are better candidates then Romney
 
Van Basten said:
No doubt, it's not as if I was saying such a thing wouldn't be possible or that all his fellow conservatives would be reasonable about this. He was still being genuine and honest though, that's the point.
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No, he's a politician. Always tactical. I suppose you could claim he was being genuinely stupid.
 
obvious Child said:
Aside from dual bailouts.
And his potential tax evasion in 2009.
And the fact he changes positions like he changes underwear.
Yeah he made money, but that doesn't translate to a good President. We had excellent businessmen in office and they all lead to disasters.
He's a decent governor if you're a moderate. He's not a decent governor if you're Conservative.

Yes, Mitt is better then Cain, Bachmann, Santorum and Gringrich, but that's not saying all that much.

Huntsman and Johnson are better candidates then Romney
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no they aren't. they couldn't win the nomination let alone the election. Huntsman made no effort to win. Johnson wasn't in a party that can win

If the MSM was somewhat neutral this election would have been over three months ago
 
johnny_rebson said:
Are you kidding?

Conservatives will remember this if Christie runs for president 4 years from now.
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yes they will the honest objective educated ones will remember that Christie showed integrity and called it like he saw it and told the truth, the partisan hacks will make up their own fantasy to remember
 
joko104 said:
No, he's a politician. Always tactical. I suppose you could claim he was being genuinely stupid.
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So, shame on him being honest? Or does shame on him for hurting his 2016 chances with being honest which was "genuinely stupid" ?
 
joko104 said:
Of all the things Romney could have predicted and tried to deal with, Chris Christie - his convention keynote speaker - double-barreling Romney in the back with a raving praise of Obama with "The president is doing a great job!" and as a bipartisan leader in a crisis with Obama at his side just days before the election is not one of those.

From that moment, Romney's creeping up momentum came to a halt and reversed, with 79% of Americans polled agreeing the President is doing a great job. All Republican pollsters back peddling and Democratic pollsters declaring victory for Obama now all but certain.

Generally, a person is most vunerable to those closest to you. As the expression goes, with friends like that who needs enemies?

And thus went Christie potential future presidential run. Republicans will never forget this and many believe it deliberate to leave an open race for himself in 2016.

Did Chris Christie just blow Romney's last victory chance by - for how the media editted and ran it 10,000 times - personally endorsing Obama as a "great president? as the last key moment and final word of the campaign?"
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The administration denied Christie 400 million dollars in Race to the Top funds because of a clerical error shortly after being elected because of his opposition to the teacher unions. I think he just panicked when he saw the devastation to his state and didn't want any politicial games played against him.
Christie didn't need to be so emphatic wiith his praise for Obama but I doubt if it changed many minds. It's interesting that Cuomo didn't want a visit in NY even though it appears his state got it worse than NJ.
 
I dont see how this could damage Chris Christie chances of running for president. Saying that the president did a good job in reaction to the natural disaster? Have we seriously gone that low as a country? If a leading party representative says that the rival parties leader (who just happens to be the POTUS) is doing a good job and did a good job, and use that as ammunition against Christie? Thats pathetic.
 
I think Gov Christie was doing what was best for his state first and foremost. I really do. I know we see precious few politicians do that but the guy is so honest with his words most of the time that I tend to take his actions at face value. However, I also believe that he knows that his actions are helping to position him for a 2016 run for POTUS. Christie is the perfect candidate for the current attitude of the country. A lot of us, myself included, feel refreshed when calls an idiot and idiot. I like when the guy says what I'm thinking. He does that a lot. A perfect example is this comment when referring to citizens who decided to stay in their homes despite the mandatory evacuation:

“They are in harm’s way, and I don’t know if we can get them out,” Christie said in a noontime press briefing. “These decisions are both stupid and selfish.”
Chris Christie on Hurricane Sandy: Holdouts are
Not many politicians will say that about people they want to vote for them. I think it's awesome personally.
 
joko104 said:
There is a good chance that is exactly how Christie saw it. That it was his ass or Romney's ass, and he decided to save his own.
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But hasn't Romney stated he would be better at reaching across the aisle and working with congress in a bipartisan manner?
“On Nov. 6 we’re going to come together for a better future. On Nov. 7, we’ll get to work,” Romney told an Iowa crowd estimated at 4,400. “You reach across the street to that neighbor with the other yard sign. And I’ll reach across the aisle to people in the other party, people in good faith, because this time demands bringing America together.”
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So why is Christie working with the president in the best interest of his state a problem?
 
Hmmm...

Did President Obama say to the cameras "The Governor is doing a great job!" and then repeat that day after day? His doing so because that was in the best interest of the state or country?

AND if it was SOOOOOO great and noble and honest for Christie to do so as you all say, then you all also agree that President Obama not doing so was Obama being petty, dishonorable and dishonest.


Which is it? Christie was right to over and over praise of Obama OR Obama was right to not do so about Christie? Can ANY OF YOU show ANY integrity?

Or DID Obama so praise Christie and I missed it?
 
Gina said:
But hasn't Romney stated he would be better at reaching across the aisle and working with congress in a bipartisan manner?


So why is Christie working with the president in the best interest of his state a problem?
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When did I say Christie should not work with the president in the best interest of his state?

NEVER.

I am criticizing his accepting and benefiting from being Romney and Republican's keynote speaker, and then turn around in the last week of the election giving the media repeated sound bites endorsing Obama.
 
joko104 said:
When did I say Christie should not work with the president in the best interest of his state?

NEVER.

I am criticizing his accepting and benefiting from being Romney and Republican's keynote speaker, and then turn around in the last week of the election giving the media repeated sound bites endorsing Obama.
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So it is the honest answer to the questions of how the president was doing his job that you object to. How was he supposed to answer them?

IMO, I think you wanted something that could not be had.
 
Gina said:
So it is the honest answer to the questions of how the president was doing his job that you object to. How was he supposed to answer them?

IMO, I think you wanted something that could not be had.
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What great thing has Obama done at that point? No one can name it.

Nor has anyone answered if President Obama equally said on record "The Governor is doing a great job."

When obvious questions of equal nature are avoided by partisans, it tells the motive of their messages - and claims.

How should Christie had answered? He should have stated what the President told him. Every politician understands sound bites. Did Obama give Christie the same sound bite? Of course not. Obama got the photo op he wanted, amazingly got an endorsement sound bite from Christie - and thus having gotten more than he possibly could have hoped for, got on a plane not even stopping in NYC to the other side of the country - so all the media had to run on was that photo op and Christie's endorsement of him.

When times get tough, Obama is a political genius. And Christie is a political idiot. And since then,Christie has been repeating that idiocy trying to talk his way out of his own hole by digging himself deeper into it. I have no doubt Romney's campaign staff is raging "IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY TO GET CHRISTIE TO STOP ENDORSING OBAMA?! ANY WAY TO GET HIM TO JUST SHUT UP?!!"
 
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joko104 said:
What great thing has Obama done at that point? No one can name it.

Nor has anyone answered if President Obama equally said on record "The Governor is doing a great job."

When obvious questions of equal nature are avoided by partisans, it tells the motive of their messages - and claims.

How should Christie had answered? He should have stated what the President told him.
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Here is it in Christie's own words.



At 3:50 on this video, President Obama praises Christie.

[video]http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2012-10-31/obama-praises-n-dot-j-dot-s-christies-response-to-sandy[/video]
 
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