What does increasing number of toss up states mean?

obvious Child · Nov 4, 2012

MAcc2007 said:
Then you and I agree that Obama is a liar. Obama promised to reduce the deficit in half, which you note he has no power to do. What a liar!

Meh. Campaign promises. I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and I already posted who I voted for in 2012. I don't subscribe to the belief that we should actually believe in campaign promises. Mitt Romney's going to break his repeal ACA on day one.

But Obama increased the fight in Afghanistan and, in our ally, Pakistan.

Pakistan is not our ally. Pakistan is a hired hand who will turn on us the second we stop feeding it money. And Obama never campaigned to get out of Afghanistan. In fact, he's making good on his statement to actually finish Afghanistan. I don't think he can do it for a number of reasons, but at least he's actually making good on attempts.

Obama claims only government can fix the economy.

No, actually he said that in this one particular instance that only the government can fix the economy. He did not, as you dishonestly cast, mean that in general. If you post a link, expect people to watch it and call you on your bull****.

Why, then, did Obama make his unpopular health care law his top priority when he entered office, instead of using government, the only solution, to fix the economy? He had a democrat House and a democrat Senate. So which is it obvious Child? Is Obama a liar on this issue, or does he just have terrible leadership skills?

What makes you think he didn't try? I remember a great many programs that attempted to fix the economy. You seem to have selective memory. Should Obama have probably waited? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean he wasn't actively attempting to fix the economy.

These energy prices are exactly what Obama wants. He wouldn't support policies to reduce prices even if he had options before to reduce the cost of gas.

Higher gas prices incentivizes alternatives. That is obvious. Furthermore, that again was a campaign promise. Actual Presidential policy has been quite different. And any increases to US production will be met with cuts at OPEC resulting in no material changes.

Haven't you been listening to Obama, "this has been the most fiscally irresponsible administration" talking about the Bush administration. You may be right about history not being taught well, even the President doesn't know about Hoover.

That makes two of you.

Everything I have said is true and comes straight from Obama's mouth.

Not really. Obama actually campaigned to escalate Afghanistan and finish the job. He made good on his Iraq promise.
You dishonestly left out that Obama argued that just this once, government is the only way to fix the economy and you ignored how there were a number of economy related pieces of legislation.
You ignored how Obama didn't enact his gas prices through the roof policy. I guess you'll fault him for not raising gas prices then?

You have to decide if Obama is just a liar saying he can fix the economy but he actually can't or he is just an idiot who is less knowledgeable than you about your purported facts.

Perhaps I should consult someone more honest then you.

Goshin · Nov 4, 2012

soccerboy22 said:
It means that no matter what people want you to believe it will be close.

That. We'll know who wins Wednesday morning... maybe. Until then all predictions are about as valuable as farts in a hurricane.

MAcc2007 · Nov 4, 2012

obvious Child said:
Meh. Campaign promises. I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and I already posted who I voted for in 2012. I don't subscribe to the belief that we should actually believe in campaign promises. Mitt Romney's going to break his repeal ACA on day one.

Terrific response when proven wrong. "Meh, I didn't really like him anyway." Great argument that we shouldn't expect our leaders to do what they say they will do. That is the only argument Obama has now anyway, right? "Well certainly none of you expected me to actually do what I said I was going to do!" Should that be his campaign slogan?

obvious Child said:
Pakistan is not our ally. Pakistan is a hired hand who will turn on us the second we stop feeding it money. And Obama never campaigned to get out of Afghanistan. In fact, he's making good on his statement to actually finish Afghanistan. I don't think he can do it for a number of reasons, but at least he's actually making good on attempts.

You should let Obama know that Pakistan is not our ally.
Obama: Pakistan's links to terror network - YouTube

obvious Child said:
No, actually he said that in this one particular instance that only the government can fix the economy. He did not, as you dishonestly cast, mean that in general. If you post a link, expect people to watch it and call you on your bull****.

I didn't cast it in general. We are talking about the economy that Obama inherited, which is the one he said only government can fix, and guess what, the government didn't fix it. Try to keep up.

obvious Child said:
What makes you think he didn't try? I remember a great many programs that attempted to fix the economy. You seem to have selective memory. Should Obama have probably waited? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean he wasn't actively attempting to fix the economy.

I don't want a President who tries, I want a President with the experience and capability to get the job done. Obama is clearly not that guy and he clearly was not that guy on day one, a junior Senator with no executive leadership experience. Obama's lack of leadership skills has been evident for the last four years.

obvious Child said:
Higher gas prices incentivizes alternatives. That is obvious. Furthermore, that again was a campaign promise. Actual Presidential policy has been quite different. And any increases to US production will be met with cuts at OPEC resulting in no material changes.

Yep, higher gas prices can make alternatives look better. Now does America really want a guy in charge who will allow gas prices to "skyrocket" so he can make a better case for financing Solyndra while the economy is in the garbage?

obvious Child said:
Not really. Obama actually campaigned to escalate Afghanistan and finish the job. He made good on his Iraq promise.
You dishonestly left out that Obama argued that just this once, government is the only way to fix the economy and you ignored how there were a number of economy related pieces of legislation.
You ignored how Obama didn't enact his gas prices through the roof policy. I guess you'll fault him for not raising gas prices then?

It's obvious, Obama won't enact pro-energy policies and we will continue to see those effects in gas prices.

obvious Child said:
Perhaps I should consult someone more honest then you.

Based on the obvious inaccuracies in your posts so far you do need to consult someone.

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