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Says Mitt Romney "was director of a company that stole millions from Medicare."

MaggieD said:
He was breathing.
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Hold the ****ing phone.

Mitt Romney......................breathes?


As in, inhales and exhales?


When did this happen???
 
3 more days until the madness ends :p
 
I guess that tells you how loose PolitiFact's "definition" of "mostly true" is:

Claim: ‘Romney was director of a company that stole millions from Medicare’

But the fraud case at Damon Corp. doesn’t point straight to Romney. His firm bought the company that was later found guilty of fraud, but Romney was not running the show while crimes were being committed.

The statement is accurate but needs additional information. That fits our definition of Mostly True.
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I think the "power" of the claim rests strongly on the implication that he somehow was.

"Half true" at best. "Mostly true" would merely quibble on a detail, by most people's reckoning.
 
MaggieD said:
lpast said:
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!! what a phony skank he is


PolitiFact | Sorting out the truth in politics
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He was breathing.
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Exactly.
And because of that, we have a person calling him a phony skank.


Our ruling

The Priorities ad says Romney "was director of a company that stole millions from Medicare," comparing him with Scott.

Scott’s hospital company, Columbia/HCA, pleaded guilty to criminal charges and paid a total of $1.7 billion in fines related to Medicare fraud. Even though Scott had resigned by the time the case settled, prosecutors said the widespread fraud occurred while he was at the helm.

But the fraud case at Damon Corp. doesn’t point straight to Romney. His firm bought the company that was later found guilty of fraud, but Romney was not running the show while crimes were being committed.

The statement is accurate but needs additional information. That fits our definition of Mostly True.
PolitiFact | Mitt Romney and Rick Scott both have Medicare fraud in their background, super PAC ad claims​


So the comparison isn't true, but because Romney was a director at one time, the statement is "mostly true"?
Talk about supporting deceptive statements.
 
Harshaw said:
I guess that tells you how loose PolitiFact's "definition" of "mostly true" is:

Claim: ‘Romney was director of a company that stole millions from Medicare’



I think the "power" of the claim rests strongly on the implication that he somehow was.

"Half true" at best. "Mostly true" would merely quibble on a detail, by most people's reckoning.
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lol You beat me to it!
 
lpast said:
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!! what a phony skank he is
http://www.politifact.com/
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Do you even read the links you post?

The politicfacts article, along with the part excerpted and posted by Harshaw, seem to call the allegation into question. So who do you believe, the Globe, the Romney campaign, or the courts who never implicated?

Romney was never implicated in the case. He claimed that he helped uncover the fraud, but Globe reporting put that claim into question. The Globe reported that court records showed fraudulent activity occurred under Bain’s watch, and that prosecutors gave the credit to Corning for stopping the fraud.

The Romney campaign, though, pointed us to Globe stories noting that Bain officials began investigating the billing practices when a competitor lab pleaded guilty to the same type of fraud. The campaign also emphasized that Bain was never a majority owner in Damon -- its ownership share peaked at 8 percent and was just 2.8 percent went the company sold to Corning.
 
lpast said:
TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!! what a phony skank he is


http://www.politifact.com/
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First, politifact rated it as "mostly true".

Second, they noted he was one of multiple directors as opposed to being THE "director" solo.

Third, they noted that he was one of many on a board of Directors...not the CEO or someone running the day to day business of the company. This is unlike the person the ad wrongfully attempts to compare him to as equivalents.

Fourth, the story notes that Romney personally was never implicated in the case, that Bain Capital was a minority owner, and that there's some evidence that suggests Romney and/or Bain had helped take steps to expose the wrong the fraud.

So your posting of a link and screaming TRUE would get an interesting rating in and of itself with Politifact...ironically enough.

In reality, Romney was one of multiple people on a board of directors for a company whose employees a ways underneath him were undertaking illegal activity that did not become fully uncovered until after Bain had sold the company when Romney would've had no power to push for action against those who did the wrong doing.

SCANDAL!
 
Fact-checkers strike again with their own mediocrity.
 
jimbo said:
Do you even read the links you post?

The politicfacts article, along with the part excerpted and posted by Harshaw, seem to call the allegation into question. So who do you believe, the Globe, the Romney campaign, or the courts who never implicated?

Romney was never implicated in the case. He claimed that he helped uncover the fraud, but Globe reporting put that claim into question. The Globe reported that court records showed fraudulent activity occurred under Bain’s watch, and that prosecutors gave the credit to Corning for stopping the fraud.

The Romney campaign, though, pointed us to Globe stories noting that Bain officials began investigating the billing practices when a competitor lab pleaded guilty to the same type of fraud. The campaign also emphasized that Bain was never a majority owner in Damon -- its ownership share peaked at 8 percent and was just 2.8 percent went the company sold to Corning.
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I dont believe the romney campaign when they say they breathe
 
Zyphlin said:
First, politifact rated it as "mostly true".

Second, they noted he was one of multiple directors as opposed to being THE "director" solo.

Third, they noted that he was one of many on a board of Directors...not the CEO or someone running the day to day business of the company. This is unlike the person the ad wrongfully attempts to compare him to as equivalents.

Fourth, the story notes that Romney personally was never implicated in the case, that Bain Capital was a minority owner, and that there's some evidence that suggests Romney and/or Bain had helped take steps to expose the wrong the fraud.

So your posting of a link and screaming TRUE would get an interesting rating in and of itself with Politifact...ironically enough.

In reality, Romney was one of multiple people on a board of directors for a company whose employees a ways underneath him were undertaking illegal activity that did not become fully uncovered until after Bain had sold the company when Romney would've had no power to push for action against those who did the wrong doing.

SCANDAL!
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This should be the logical end to this thread, but I am sure that Ipast will only compound his embarassment by trying to defend his post. Unless...he was being sarcastic? Of course, by the standards of politifact, we are all implicated by "six degrees of seperation."
 
Romney saves companies with his own money--Evil Evil Evil

Obama saves companies with other people's money--Saintly Saintly Saintly

I'll be surprised if the Catholics don't make him Pope he is such a piece of heaven on earth.
 
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