Why christians are supporting the mormon

madman said:

Ohhh, i cant stop it just as much as you cant stop feeling that "christian persecution."
All i can do is voice my opinion and vote.

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Please DO point to anywhere were I have cited anything related to 'Christian persecution'. You made a stupid comment, then followed with several others, and finally went for the opus. All I am doing is pointing them out. But I AM very interested in reading about your very sincere intolerance towards religion in politics and cant WAIT to read of the times you have brutalized Obama for bringing religion into the mix. You simply MUST give us some links to previous comments.

Come on, man...keep doubling down.

madman said:

I will not tolerate religion in politics, this is why im outspoken on the topic. You want to pray to some imaginary being, that's fine with me. Just dont bring your religion into politics.

Im a bigot as much as you are a bigot with liberals. :lol: (see, we have something in common).

sorry that you dont agree with the OP. That is your right.

And i already told you, ALL religions are cults.

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I hate to tell you this, but somewhere around 80-90% of humanity professes some kind of religion or religious belief. A lot of the rest are not hard-core atheists, but are rather Deists, non-organized-religion spiritualists, or open-minded agnostics.

Whatever it is you believe to be any sort of Great Truth, whether it is religious or spiritual, philosophical or ideological, IS going to influence how you make political decisions... overtly, or just because of who you are and what you consider "good".

There is no way around that, and there is no way you're going to utterly cleanse politics of all religious influence, unless you live in a nation of all-hardcore-atheists.

You know what really happened?

Us atheists started to educate people - our numbers started to grow - and freaked everyone else and thereby united them under one common cause = conservative religion.

Or something like that . . . I just have this vibe that it all started when we began to have issues with our kids having to learn about creation-made-up-ism in school.

VanceMack said:

Please DO point to anywhere were I have cited anything related to 'Christian persecution'. You made a stupid comment, then followed with several others, and finally went for the opus. All I am doing is pointing them out. But I AM very interested in reading about your very sincere intolerance towards religion in politics and cant WAIT to read of the times you have brutalized Obama for bringing religion into the mix. You simply MUST give us some links to previous comments.

Come on, man...keep doubling down.

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I said FEEL persecuted. I didnt claim that you wrote it. And for the record, yes, when Obama brings in religion into his speeches, i cringe. But then again, he's just pandering the religious. I really dont think he's a religious man.

madman said:

I said FEEL persecuted. I didnt claim that you wrote it. And for the record, yes, when Obama brings in religion into his speeches, i cringe. But then again, he's just pandering the religious. I really dont think he's a religious man.

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You 'cringe'...and then you start threads about it. Because after all...you dont 'tolerate' it. Right?

Side note...I agree, as does Reverend Wright. Obama is a political whore who 'believes' only in what will make him more popular. Which leaves you a dilemma. Do you take comfort believing the guy really has no religious beliefs or view him with disgust and disdain because he is a liar and hypocrite?

Go with what best suits your own agenda.

madman said:

Goshin,
This is one of the biggest things that i have trouble with religion. Why is it that within a single religion, there are different views on things? I mean, you would think that everyone should be on the same page? right? You all read from the same bible, believe in the same god, why is there so many discrepancies?
This makes those looking from the outside think that you are simply picking and choosing what you want to believe in.

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Perhaps it looks that way to an outsider, and perhaps some are doing exactly that. :shrug:

I can tell you with reasonable confidence though, that many of the disagreements on specific issues between various Christian denominations are born because of a sincere and principled stand on what Group A believes is the right interpretation/application of scripture in regards to the matter at hand, vs a differing interpretation held by Group B.

For instance, whether certain Do's and Dont's that were specific to a particular culture of people in a specific time and place should be applied literally to modern life, or whether all/some/none of those items should be re-interpreted in light of the differences between our modern culture and the one that existed in the time and place that scripture was written. This sort of thing is one of the bigger schism-inducing questions.

However, almost all Christian denominations share certain core values, which are the ones I choose to place emphasis on:

1. Jesus as the earthly avatar of God and the path of salvation for humanity.
2. Love and charity and service towards others.
3. The basic commandments: do not murder, do not steal, etc.

Cardinal said:

My comment was in response to



which doesn't appear to accept the third option that you can be loyal to your principles while not legislating them onto others. If this is what you really believe, then why the initial comment that only seems to presuppose the two extremes as the only viable options?

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My initial comment was intended to be ironic... I thought it was reasonably obvious that this was so.

Most of us are NOT trying to impose a theocracy. Most of us have enough sense to know this is a bad idea... when government and religion are one and the same, both tend to quickly become corrupted.

However, seperating out where one should be politically pragmatic, and what one should prefer in law from what one believes is "good", is a struggle for each of us whether religious or atheist. Everyone has some kind of value system, some means by which they personally define "good" and "bad" morally or ethically... and everyone is influenced in their politics by their value system.

Thus, singling out religion (and the religious) as the sole perpetrators of "trying to impose their values on the rest of us" is really an absurdity. Whether you are operating from a religious or moral belief, or a philosophical or ideological one, your beliefs influence your decisions, including your decisions about whom you will vote for and what you wish to be made into law. Atheists are not exempt from this... nor are they exempt from thinking "my way is the best/smartest way" as they often accuse the religious.

We as christens should support anyone who is against same sex marring.Nowhere in the bible do you see God"s approval .

vermae said:

We as christens should support anyone who is against same sex marring.Nowhere in the bible do you see God"s approval .

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Judge not lest ye be judged. What so ever you do to the least of my brethern so you do onto Me. LOVE thy neighbor as they self These are CHRISTIAN Axioms. If your GOD is silent on the issue so should you be. After all HE is the Christ.