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I despise most election ads, but I will say that this one is perhaps the most powerful one I have even seen. It has saddened me that both candidates couldn't care less about the topic of climate change in this election, but I have yet to see Obama make light of this important issue.

 
I've often pointed out that Obama totally broke his campaign promise about stopping the oceans rising - just like every other promise he made.

Yes, Obama's broken 2008 promises should be the #1 campaign issue, you're right.
 
He knows his base, his base does not believe (read does not want to beleive) in global warming or man's contribution to it. I personally don't know if man contributes to it or not, but neither do they. Until the truth is know I believe we should be good stewards of the Earth and keep it as clean as possible. I suspect their motivation for this attitude is they want to continue to drive SUV's and supply our enemy with funds per oil money so they can keep the wars going, thereby funding the Military industrial complex, kinda sounds paranoid, don't it.
 
I will give this to Mitt, at least he actually quoted Obama correctly. Slow, not stop. There is a difference between the two.
 
Eh, every time the wind knocks down a tree, "GLOBAL WARMING!" Every time there is a flood, "GLOBAL WARMING!" Every time it snows, "GLOBAL WARMING!"

The little boy who cried wolf act just doesn't get it, and certainly doesn't make for a powerful ad.

This one, short, simple, powerful:

 
Obama has 'shuck and jived' himself out of a job.
 
Arbo said:
Eh, every time the wind knocks down a tree, "GLOBAL WARMING!" Every time there is a flood, "GLOBAL WARMING!" Every time it snows, "GLOBAL WARMING!"

The little boy who cried wolf act just doesn't get it, and certainly doesn't make for a powerful ad.

This one, short, simple, powerful:
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I wouldn't go to NY right now and say, "quit crying wolf."

Though how much humans are having a changing effect on the climate has yet to be determined I hope we're not so devastated that it becomes obvious before we try and do something.
 
joko104 said:
I've often pointed out that Obama totally broke his campaign promise about stopping the oceans rising - just like every other promise he made.

Yes, Obama's broken 2008 promises should be the #1 campaign issue, you're right.
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He has blocked the Keystone pipeline and pushed for tougher regulations to shut down, slow down, coal plants. He has pushed for investment in green technology, waaaaah Solyndra waaaaah. He has pushed for stricter MPG efficiency in vehicles over the next decade.

He has done everything he can, how do you not notice? Do you not even pay attention or research anything? You just say ****?
 
grip said:
I wouldn't go to NY right now and say, "quit crying wolf."

Though how much humans are having a changing effect on the climate has yet to be determined I hope we're not so devastated that it becomes obvious before we try and do something.
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The hurricane had a huge impact on millions of people, and will continue to do so. That doesn't mean it's occurrence was anything out of the ordinary. Though the long suffering most will go through will be worse due to federal government sticking it's hands in and being inefficient. At least we know for a fact the feds often cause more harm than good, and we know how to fix that.
 
grip said:
Though how much humans are having a changing effect on the climate has yet to be determined I hope we're not so devastated that it becomes obvious before we try and do something.
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I feel the same way. I don't understand why even if we have little environmental impact we still do not do anything. The fact that we would be ahead of the world in alternative fuels would be a big thing.
 
Verax said:
He has blocked the Keystone pipeline and pushed for tougher regulations to shut down, slow down, coal plants. He has pushed for investment in green technology, waaaaah Solyndra waaaaah. He has pushed for stricter MPG efficiency in vehicles over the next decade.

He has done everything he can, how do you not notice? Do you not even pay attention or research anything? You just say ****?
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That's nice... So after 4 years of Obama shutting down coal plants, forcing hybrids and electric cars on us, and investing in solar panel companies that shipped their production to China... We now have a catergory 1 hurricane that everyone is trying to take as a sign of the apocalypse...

How about we ground ourselves in some reality... NYC area gets a category 3 hurricane once every 75 years statistically... it's been 74 since the last... and this was a category 1...

There is no proof of any change in the weather patterns... when you match up the amount and the intensity of storms through recorded history, there is no large lean towards the present day as the most...

In fact, the highest frequency in storms comes from a period between 1850-1900... prior to the invention of the automobile... which actually coincided with an uptic in seismic activity...

In recent years we've seen an increase in seismic activity... That if anything suggests a reason why the weather patterns might be off slightly at the moment...

But, for the damage from this storm... the age old biblical fable worked just as fine... God told the man to build his house on the solid ground, not the sand, because the sand washes away in the storms... Guess what was all along the NJ shore... Homes, casinos, boardwalks, ferris wheels, etc. all built on the sand right at the oceans edge... This was a cold dose of reality for them... NJ is a low lying swamp... New Orleans is below sea level... The cities along the Mississippi River floodplane are in the Missippi River floodplane... Guess what areas are prone to flooding? Those in low lying areas near places with fluctuating and rising waters... Shocker, right? I know... it mystifies me as well...
 
Arbo said:
The hurricane had a huge impact on millions of people, and will continue to do so. That doesn't mean it's occurrence was anything out of the ordinary. Though the long suffering most will go through will be worse due to federal government sticking it's hands in and being inefficient. At least we know for a fact the feds often cause more harm than good, and we know how to fix that.
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Hurricanes or super storms in the heavily populated northeast are not that ordinary or common. The Feds help is better than nothing, no matter how much it's not what's always expected. You do know that Feds are just average people hired too work?
 
soccerboy22 said:
I feel the same way. I don't understand why even if we have little environmental impact we still do not do anything. The fact that we would be ahead of the world in alternative fuels would be a big thing.
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We polluted everything so heavily by the 70's that there was a big push to clean the air, rivers, lakes, oceans, trash disposal. They used recycling, catalytic converters, cleaned up of toxins and waste, used smoke stack filters and improved EPA standards. But somehow all that has been forgotten and scoffed at as ineffectual? If we can affect the environment thru water and air pollution you would think we could certainly impact the climate.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
That's nice... So after 4 years of Obama shutting down coal plants, forcing hybrids and electric cars on us, and investing in solar panel companies that shipped their production to China... We now have a catergory 1 hurricane that everyone is trying to take as a sign of the apocalypse...

How about we ground ourselves in some reality... NYC area gets a category 3 hurricane once every 75 years statistically... it's been 74 since the last... and this was a category 1...

There is no proof of any change in the weather patterns... when you match up the amount and the intensity of storms through recorded history, there is no large lean towards the present day as the most...

In fact, the highest frequency in storms comes from a period between 1850-1900... prior to the invention of the automobile... which actually coincided with an uptic in seismic activity...

In recent years we've seen an increase in seismic activity... That if anything suggests a reason why the weather patterns might be off slightly at the moment...

But, for the damage from this storm... the age old biblical fable worked just as fine... God told the man to build his house on the solid ground, not the sand, because the sand washes away in the storms... Guess what was all along the NJ shore... Homes, casinos, boardwalks, ferris wheels, etc. all built on the sand right at the oceans edge... This was a cold dose of reality for them... NJ is a low lying swamp... New Orleans is below sea level... The cities along the Mississippi River floodplane are in the Missippi River floodplane... Guess what areas are prone to flooding? Those in low lying areas near places with fluctuating and rising waters... Shocker, right? I know... it mystifies me as well...
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You're a climate change denier, you cannot be taken seriously. Many intelligent people have spent their entire lives researching these subjects, brilliant people all over the world. Yet some guy on a forum thinks he knows better just because he thought about it for a couple minutes? Not to mention you throw in some bs from the bible to "strengthen" your argument, lol.

You can put your head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening, or you can work with those pesky liberals to fix the problems. I know its easier to just forget about this stuff but some of us are real men that are not afraid to stand up and fight for our country.
 
grip said:
We polluted everything so heavily by the 70's that there was a big push to clean the air, rivers, lakes, oceans, trash disposal. They used recycling, catalytic converters, cleaned up of toxins and waste, used smoke stack filters and improved EPA standards. But somehow all that has been forgotten and scoffed at as ineffectual? If we can affect the environment thru water and air pollution you would think we could certainly impact the climate.
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It's funny, but Republicans talk about cap and trade as if it's an insane idea (except five years ago when Romney supported it), and I don't think one of them realizes that we already have a very effective cap and trade program to address the ozone/cfc problem.
 
AdamT said:
It's funny, but Republicans talk about cap and trade as if it's an insane idea (except five years ago when Romney supported it), and I don't think one of them realizes that we already have a very effective cap and trade program to address the ozone/cfc problem.
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They're afraid the US will be punished if cap & trade institutes carbon credits because we're the world's second largest offender. And that the program will be corrupted by larger corps thru manipulation. But as you say there are already effective programs in place.

Successful cap and trade programs include the nationwide Acid Rain Program and the regional NO Budget Trading Program in the Northeast. Additionally, EPA issued the Clean Air Interstate Rule (CAIR) on March 10, 2005, to build on the success of these programs and achieve significant additional emission reductions.
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grip said:
Hurricanes or super storms in the heavily populated northeast are not that ordinary or common. The Feds help is better than nothing, no matter how much it's not what's always expected. You do know that Feds are just average people hired too work?
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This storm was not out of the ordinary, in any fashion. Take a look at weather history. 'Better than nothing'... such a worn out cry the left uses. Settling for 'eh, it's ok' is not solving problems and is not fixing things. Rather than take money from the states to give back to the states, the fed should leave the money with the states to handle such situations when they arrive. They know the area, they know the people, they know what is needed, FAR better than the feds.
 
AdamT said:
It's funny, but Republicans talk about cap and trade as if it's an insane idea
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Man, the DNC paycheck wasn't enough? Now you've got stock options with Gore too? Man, looking to profit at the expense of others, how sad.
 
Arbo said:
This storm was not out of the ordinary, in any fashion. Take a look at weather history. 'Better than nothing'... such a worn out cry the left uses. Settling for 'eh, it's ok' is not solving problems and is not fixing things. Rather than take money from the states to give back to the states, the fed should leave the money with the states to handle such situations when they arrive. They know the area, they know the people, they know what is needed, FAR better than the feds.
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Yeah it just set a bunch of records, that's the definition of ordinary.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/30/us/sandy-records/index.html
 
Arbo said:
This storm was not out of the ordinary, in any fashion. Take a look at weather history. 'Better than nothing'... such a worn out cry the left uses. Settling for 'eh, it's ok' is not solving problems and is not fixing things. Rather than take money from the states to give back to the states, the fed should leave the money with the states to handle such situations when they arrive. They know the area, they know the people, they know what is needed, FAR better than the feds.
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Weather extremes over periods of time are not unusual in themselves but an accumulation of events within a shorter period are what is being observed. Warming oceans, melting glaciers, Arctic thaw, fires, extreme droughts and flooding, cold and warm records, not including other environmental impacts like disappearing rain forests, oceanic plastic patches, air pollution, over fishing, exposure to toxic chemicals, lead, mercury, cadmium, radon, radiation, pesticides, fertilizers, building materials, etc.

I haven't seen States manage their funds much better than Feds, cities or counties. Who's to say the state could mobilize any faster if they've let funding dwindle due to bad investments or other projects like infrastructure, education, elected officials and employee salaries?
 
grip said:
Weather extremes over periods of time are not unusual in themselves but an accumulation of events within a shorter period are what is being observed. Warming oceans, melting glaciers, Arctic thaw, fires, extreme droughts and flooding, cold and warm records, not including other environmental impacts like disappearing rain forests, oceanic plastic patches, air pollution, over fishing, exposure to toxic chemicals, lead, mercury, cadmium, radon, radiation, pesticides, fertilizers, building materials, etc.
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Well, let's just tax the rich, as more money to the feds will solve this issue. Just like it does every other one. Right?


I haven't seen States manage their funds much better than Feds, cities or counties. Who's to say the state could mobilize any faster if they've let funding dwindle due to bad investments or other projects like infrastructure, education, elected officials and employee salaries?
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Ah, a federalist. Very well.
 
Whoever came up with that ad should be fired. It sends exactly the opposite message that the creators think. It makes Obama look like he failed to honor his promise and that Romney is the one who wants to help the victims. That little PAC tag at the end is irrelevant once the visuals are processed ahead of them. It could just as easily say that Romney is wanting to help the victims of the storm which the media is increasingly focusing on not getting help by now. It does not damage Romney at all--it helps him.
 
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