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Job report states, unemployment ticks up to 7.9%, 171,000 jobs added

President Obama should have let all the Bush tax cuts expire when they were designed to... back to the Clinton rates. Low marginal tax rates do not produce good economies... they produce bubbles that eventually burst. The tax rate when the stock market crashed in 1929 was at 24%.

Today's jobs report actually says 184,000 private sector jobs were created, the loss of 13,000 public sector jobs brought the net total non farm total down to 171,000. Also the total nonfarm jobs was upgraded for August and September by 50,000 and 34,000 respectively. Not spectacular, but in my opinion it may cause more people to vote for President Obama rather that Romney.

Oh by the way Conservative, did you see Governor Chris Christie give President Obama much praise yesterday? lol. I think he wants to run for president in 2016, so he doesn't want Romney to win now.

Wouldn't it be something if Romney/Ryan lose and Ryan loses his seat in the House? lol

I cannot believe that someone like you can support Obama. The economic results do not warrant four more years nor does his lack of leadership skills at all. This country is in quite a mess and Obama isn't the person to get us out of it. There is no indication that the next four years will be any better than the last four and you should know that.

Do you have any idea what Reagan job growth was three years after the end of a similar recession? How can anyone get excited about the jobs numbers when there are 22.7 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers?

If you want to go back to the Clinton tax rate then let's also go back to the Clinton Budgets adjusted for inflation
 
We were also shedding 800,000+ jobs back then.

In October there were 813,000 Discouraged workers, are those unemployed people? Taking an unemployed person who is counted and replacing that person with a discouraged worker who isn't counted isn't an improvement
 
President Obama should have let all the Bush tax cuts expire when they were designed to... back to the Clinton rates. Low marginal tax rates do not produce good economies... they produce bubbles that eventually burst. The tax rate when the stock market crashed in 1929 was at 24%.

Today's jobs report actually says 184,000 private sector jobs were created, the loss of 13,000 public sector jobs brought the net total non farm total down to 171,000. Also the total nonfarm jobs was upgraded for August and September by 50,000 and 34,000 respectively. Not spectacular, but in my opinion it may cause more people to vote for President Obama rather that Romney.

Oh by the way Conservative, did you see Governor Chris Christie give President Obama much praise yesterday? lol. I think he wants to run for president in 2016, so he doesn't want Romney to win now.

Wouldn't it be something if Romney/Ryan lose and Ryan loses his seat in the House? lol


I'm impressed! You had four poles out on that trolling run. True tallent...you should be proud!
 
The peak employment number you're citing was a result of the real estate and financial bubbles, so a fiction.

That seems to be the main problem with the republican idealism. The bubble is great because people were employed. It is like having cancer and ignoring it because you feel healthy at the moment. the US economy was sick and about to collapse. the bubble is not a healthy condition. Still the republicans do want their illusion that everything is Ok while they spend themselves into huge debt and weaken the strength of american industry by ignoring the problems. It is better to have us producing energy by coal even though we are poisoning ourselves. it is a matter of american entitlement and laziness.

The problem is thast the republicans think their entitlement should come at no cost. i have a truck that gets less than 20 miles per gallon and i only use it to go to my office job. I am entitled to drive it so the gas prices are taking away my freedom. yes, you are entitled to drive it, but you have to pay the financial cost, and that includes your gasoline. If you cannot afford it then get a damned prius. I am entitled to the latest iphone, but I want my data program to be free. Sorry, but someone has to pay for the top end technology distribution, and those are the people who have to have the best. People talk about the entitled americans and the republicans are the worst. The rest of us should not have to pay tax money to subsidize gas or technology so you can have the best.

old school republicans used to believe in doing without and working your way up to bigger and better things. Now the republicans want the banking system to loan them the money to have all the best right away. that was a great idea that drove consumption and profit way up until the bills came and then we all got to pay for the piss poor loans to white trash so they could have the best. Howeverm their party tells them it is all the black people's fault and still they do not have to do any sort of lowering of their artificially inflated lifestyle. One of the reasons you get beaten by foreign labor locally and abroad is because they don't give shiny new pickups to their spoiled children. they don't have the latest Iphones. they don't have a gigantic house for their one kid. They don't have coach handbags or buy brand names.

The big problem with america is the entitlement of it's people, but they are too busy pointing their fingers and blaming others to deal with the truth. You want to win you need to stop being a bunch of fat pudgy weaklings and start being predators. There are people out there who are litterally hungry for work, and they don't need huge salary to cover the frills american's cannot live without. If you want to live like a rich person you have to be rich. Despite the republican promises, you are not rich and are not entitled to live like a rich person.
 
I'm impressed! You had four poles out on that trolling run. True tallent...you should be proud!

Just a small point. There is a difference between trolling and saying something you don't like. A troll would be referring to you as a moron, where showing you are wrong is not a troll though it might make you feel like a moron. Just trying to help you wit the difference as you seem to be confused, and though this post may make you feel stupid, I did not call you stupid.
 
That seems to be the main problem with the republican idealism.

it is a matter of american entitlement and laziness.

One of the reasons you get beaten by foreign labor locally and abroad is because they don't give shiny new pickups to their spoiled children. they don't have the latest Iphones. they don't have a gigantic house for their one kid. They don't have coach handbags or buy brand names.

The big problem with america is the entitlement of it's people, but they are too busy pointing their fingers and blaming others to deal with the truth. You want to win you need to stop being a bunch of fat pudgy weaklings and start being predators. There are people out there who are litterally hungry for work, and they don't need huge salary to cover the frills american's cannot live without. If you want to live like a rich person you have to be rich. Despite the republican promises, you are not rich and are not entitled to live like a rich person.


Your mentality is quite interesting, and I believe demonstrative of the liberal mindset. Republicans, in contrast, believe that the American People are good, and we want Americans who work hard to make a lot of money and have nice things.

We Republicans WANT Americans to be able to afford a big house and a nice new car. We don't think that's something to be ashamed of, or something to denigrate. It's something to aspire to.

FYI, the ones with the big houses, new cars, and new iPhones ARE the ones who are winning.
 
I'm impressed! You had four poles out on that trolling run. True tallent...you should be proud!
I have no idea what you're talking about, please explain. seriously!!!
 
I have no idea what you're talking about, please explain. seriously!!!

Seriously, how does this country improve under four more years of Obama? How anyone can support him is beyond comprehension unless it is truly your goal to make this country an entitlement society and a European socialist model. It does seem that there is passion for such a model as the grass is always greener on the other side until you get there. I don't understand liberalism and I was even once a liberal but outgrew it. I cannot imagine someone your age still supporting the Obama agenda and economic policies.
 
Just a small point. There is a difference between trolling and saying something you don't like. A troll would be referring to you as a moron, where showing you are wrong is not a troll though it might make you feel like a moron. Just trying to help you wit the difference as you seem to be confused, and though this post may make you feel stupid, I did not call you stupid.

Well see I don't agree with this. 'Refering to someone as a moron' would be debating ad homenia much like you did by stating most condecendingly 'and though this post may make you feel stupid'...

I have no idea what you're talking about, please explain. seriously!!!

The first subject in your post was the Bush tax cuts (which had nothing to do with the OP)...a prime lure to bait any devout Conservative into a pointless hackfest.
Then you discussed the jobs report, which was consistent with the OP, by discussing the employment numbers but avoiding the increase in the UE RATE...another prime lure to bait...
Then you moved to discussed Christie's praise of the President (again nothing to do with the OP). This hypocritical criticism of a Republican Governor rubbing elbows with a Democratic President is a VERY colorful lure...again to bait any devout Conservative into a pointless hackfest.
Your final point was concerning Ryan's House seat (again nothing to do with the OP) in an effort to enflame a 'devout Conservative' by insinuating 'losing'... again to bait any yayaya, you know.

Now I feel like a kindergarden teacher...thanks for that too....;)
 
Seriously, how does this country improve under four more years of Obama?
It can't.

How anyone can support him is beyond comprehension unless it is truly your goal to make this country an entitlement society and a European socialist model.
These are people who rely on the government for their livelihood. They have been trained (like any other animal) to be dependent. Their government has told them that they cannot survive without holding it's hand, and they believe it.

On the point of the thread, it's a reality that this country needs to create an average of 260,000 per month just to keep up with its population growth (that is...the people we can account for...not including illegal aliens). Even then, at that rate, it'll take eleven years of those averages to get us back on track. Obama hasn't been able to get near that average in his last four years.

He's banking on ignorant people seeing a "positive" number, and believe he's doing good things. Hell...I could throw a penny at my dog every day, and even though my dog's wealth would technically be increasing every day, it'd still take her a year or more to buy a damn bag of food.
 
171,000 added. Good job everyone.

yeah those people who were making 85k a few years ago are now working for 33k and no benefits. Great job Obunny. Lots of those new jobs are seasonal jobs for stocking warehouses for the Xmas rush or making stuff for the Xmas Rush
 
I wonder if we could do a comparison in private sector jobs growth between Obama and his predecessor?

private-sector-jobs-021.png


Woh!! But why didn't unemployment spike like crazy under the Republican wunderkind? Unemployment rose, of course, but only by a point and a half because GOVERNMENT employment was growing rapidly under Bush. In contrast, under Obama there has been rapid growth in private sector employment, but rapid decline in public sector employment. It's odd -- I thought that was exactly what conservatives wanted....
 
An Economist interviewed on POTUS had the opinion that as job growth increases,
more people start looking for work, causing the unemployment rate to actually go up.
Not saying this is what happened, just something to consider.
Your results may vary.
 
The important thing is looking at a longer time frame. Peak employment was in Jan 2008 at 146million. Obama took office in Feb of 2009, by which time employment had fallen to 141million. The stimulus was passed the same month, and employment continued to fall for about a year to a low of 137million. Since then it has risen very slowly to a current level of 143 million, still about 3 million below pre-recession numbers. Unfortunately, millions have entered the workforce in the same timeframe, meaning 12 million are still unemployed, compared to 6 million before the recession.

At a cost of almost 5 trillion in debt, and 12 trillion in govt spending.

good analysis.

However, linking the recovery simply to government spending in toto is not appropriate.

Fact is that that goverment spending increases, even in this time of economic turmoil and keynsian stimulus, is still the lowest since Eisenhower. That would seem to indicate that the choices made were pretty damn good.
 
I wonder if we could do a comparison in private sector jobs growth between Obama and his predecessor?

private-sector-jobs-021.png


Woh!! But why didn't unemployment spike like crazy under the Republican wunderkind? Unemployment rose, of course, but only by a point and a half because GOVERNMENT employment was growing rapidly under Bush. In contrast, under Obama there has been rapid growth in private sector employment, but rapid decline in public sector employment. It's odd -- I thought that was exactly what conservatives wanted....

please don't confuse them with facts. It gives them a headache.
 
yeah those people who were making 85k a few years ago are now working for 33k and no benefits. Great job Obunny. Lots of those new jobs are seasonal jobs for stocking warehouses for the Xmas rush or making stuff for the Xmas Rush
I totally agree with this. I saw it first-hand when I was laid off in 2008 (thanks Obama, you [donkey orifice]). Had to get a job at freakin' Target, because that was the best I could find (I could have been a welfare leech, but decided to do the responsible thing and get a job). Once January rolled around, they laid everyone off.

My prediction is: unemployment will spike back up in January. Not that it bothers Obama. One way or another, he's not going to have to care about jobs in January. If he's re-elected, it'll be too late to vote his [female dog]-[donkey] out. If he's voted out...well then...he won't care either way.
 
I totally agree with this. I saw it first-hand when I was laid off in 2008 (thanks Obama, you [donkey orifice]). Had to get a job at freakin' Target, because that was the best I could find (I could have been a welfare leech, but decided to do the responsible thing and get a job). Once January rolled around, they laid everyone off.

My prediction is: unemployment will spike back up in January. Not that it bothers Obama. One way or another, he's not going to have to care about jobs in January. If he's re-elected, it'll be too late to vote his [female dog]-[donkey] out. If he's voted out...well then...he won't care either way.

One of the guys who is a volunteer coach in a program I run is a case study. He was working part time at a big gun etc shop because he enjoys doing that and he likes instructing people. His full time job was working for a big manufacturer that makes stuff like commercial doors garage doors etc-a business that took it up the butt when building construction went way down. SO he was making about 9 bucks an hour at his part time job and about 65K a year at his main job with benefits. Then that job went away so he works close to full time at the gun place making about 20K a year with almost no benefits. he is not considered "unemployed" or looking for work because due to his seniority he will be called back if his main employer's business picks up and he couldn't find anything better than the 20K a year job he has now. So we have a guy who is making about 55K (benefits included) less than he was but Obama will claim he is employed
 
I totally agree with this. I saw it first-hand when I was laid off in 2008 (thanks Obama, you [donkey orifice]). Had to get a job at freakin' Target, because that was the best I could find (I could have been a welfare leech, but decided to do the responsible thing and get a job). Once January rolled around, they laid everyone off.

My prediction is: unemployment will spike back up in January. Not that it bothers Obama. One way or another, he's not going to have to care about jobs in January. If he's re-elected, it'll be too late to vote his [female dog]-[donkey] out. If he's voted out...well then...he won't care either way.

Err, it was Obama's fault that you got laid off during Bush's presidency? :lamo
 
Err, it was Obama's fault that you got laid off during Bush's presidency? :lamo
As much as it was Bush's fault for Obama tanking the last four years.
 
One of the guys who is a volunteer coach in a program I run is a case study. He was working part time at a big gun etc shop because he enjoys doing that and he likes instructing people. His full time job was working for a big manufacturer that makes stuff like commercial doors garage doors etc-a business that took it up the butt when building construction went way down. SO he was making about 9 bucks an hour at his part time job and about 65K a year at his main job with benefits. Then that job went away so he works close to full time at the gun place making about 20K a year with almost no benefits. he is not considered "unemployed" or looking for work because due to his seniority he will be called back if his main employer's business picks up and he couldn't find anything better than the 20K a year job he has now. So we have a guy who is making about 55K (benefits included) less than he was but Obama will claim he is employed

He is employed, and apparently he isn't looking for anything better ... because he has concluded, without looking, that he can't do better?
 
He is employed, and apparently he isn't looking for anything better ... because he has concluded, without looking, that he can't do better?

He looked for two years

his main trade is working in the fabrication of stuff like doors. Not much demand for that right now.

try again
 
He looked for two years

his main trade is working in the fabrication of stuff like doors. Not much demand for that right now.

try again

Too bad Republicans are blocking Obama's infrastructure bill, eh?
 
Too bad Republicans are blocking Obama's infrastructure bill, eh?

yeah that's it, more government spending will fix everything
 
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