Be wary of late numbers; measure the 4 years as a whole... Look at the big picture!

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Color me shocked... :roll:

Just as I said... the ultimate news of the jobs report is that there is no news... we are still in the same anemic recovery that we have been... and yet the overreaction and spin from each sides has begun...

I hate to say I told you so... but I told you so...

Again I say, stop looking at the minutiae of the individual monthly reports... Look at the big picture as a whole...

8% unemployment... fueled mostly by people dropping out of the workforce, which continues at a rate of six to one against new hires... and that doesn't include the increase of population making about as many people entering eligility as are getting hired each month...

This is only gradually coming down from 10% 3 years after government spending was increased from $2.7T to $3.6T annually... So the extra $1T per year in spending has given us essentially no recovery... Most recessions rebounded with far more hiring without that money being given...

There is still a steep steady drop in the workforce participation rate, that amounts to an unprecidented 2% decline in 1 presidential term... and this has been all throughout the president's term, and isn't just a 2009 issue...

The economic recovery under Obama just isn't good enough... 4 years on, he's had enough time to fix it... instead, he's forestalled it... coming in with 7.9% unemployment and leaving with 7.9% unemployment... Coming in with a budget deficit that he helped increase to $1.1T... and leaving with a budget defiit that he's helped reduce down to $1.2T... after increasing it to $1.4T...

So, we just baulked on the last 4 years...

I wonder if that lady had to pay for her gas and her mortgage or not...

(my guess is she wad foreclosed on, and she can't afford gas, but is on food stamps and some form of housing... just a guess, but would you bet me money that it's wrong? I doubt it...)

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IndepCentristMA said:

and in a beautifully ridiculous DebatePolitics.com moment... after attempting but failing to trash this post as a sign of desperation by a Romney supporter...

AdamT puts out this thread...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-...ion/141323-jobs-report-big-news-shouldnt.html

Which basically says the same thing, just far less in depth...

Way to go with that original content, AdamT... :roll:


So yes, I'm glad he concedes that the approaching jobs reports are going to be misleading, inconsequential, and not worth reacting to for the election... (Let's see him reverse this position tomorrow, a la Obama, changing his heart on the issue, and instead try to make a case that the jobs report is a plus for Obama)...

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Yeah, it says exactly the same thing. :lamo

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Imo, it's clear that - barring something bizarre in the next few days - Obama will win.

This despite the fact that compared with the month before he took over: unemployment is worse, the participation rate is worse, food stamp usage is up about 40%, average housing prices have dropped, federal deficits were over a trillion every year and the national debt is up over 40%.
In other words - the guy sucks at POTUS.

But Romney is a pathetically weak candidate...so he will probably lose.


Selfishly, that is fine by me as Obama means TONS more 'cheap' money and that is great for my precious metals.

But it's bad for America...very bad. But Romney would have been bad as well; so...

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AdamT said:

Yeah, it says exactly the same thing. :lamo

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Again, you made comments that me saying the jobs numbers shouldn't be paid much attention, because they're not a clear indication of anything was a sign of desperation...

Then, made your own post that people shouldn't pay much attention to the job numbers, because they're not accurate and don't give the clear indication of anything...

You can whine about it if you want... feel free... you even echoed the same sentiments...

These job numbers mean nothing... the general tend a slow stagnation and a slow gradual drop from 10% to 8% over 3 years... despite added $5.6T to the debt overspending the budget...



D'oh!

You said a lot more than that, and you know it.

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AdamT said:

You said a lot more than that, and you know it.

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I never said I didn't...

I made the same point and added a greater perspective...

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IndepCentristMA said:

I never said I didn't...

I made the same point and added a greater perspective..

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You have your usual hack perspective.

Here's another one with greater perspective:

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AdamT said:

You have your usual hack perspective.

Here's another one with greater perspective:

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LMFAO... what a weak graphic... considering we could make the same one in reverse...

Months below 7.8% unemployment = 0 for Obama

and

Months below 7.8% unemployment = 66 for Reagan (18 even in his first term having taken over in a recession)

and again, the other one compares ALL presidents from Truman thru Bush... this is a pot shot kind of comparison...

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IndepCentristMA said:

LMFAO... what a weak graphic... considering we could make the same one in reverse...

Months below 7.8% unemployment = 0 for Obama

and

Months below 7.8% unemployment = 66 for Reagan (18 even in his first term having taken over in a recession)

and again, the other one compares ALL presidents from Truman thru Bush... this is a pot shot kind of comparison...

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Hey, you got the point, re: cherry picking. Of course the biggest cherry pick of all was stopping before FDR, who had the worst economy to Obama's second worst. Include FDR and you can add over a 100 more months to the left-side tally ... plus 48 months with an unemployment rate over 20%.

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AdamT said:

Hey, you got the point, re: cherry picking. Of course the biggest cherry pick of all was stopping before FDR, who had the worst economy to Obama's second worst. Include FDR and you can add over a 100 more months to the left-side tally ... plus 48 months with an unemployment rate over 20%.

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LMFAO... they don't chery pick to stop at Truman... ITS WHEN THEY STARTED COLLECTING THE MODERN DATA IN REGARDS TO THE ISSUE!!!

You're hysterical at times... too funny when you make up false arguments...

Obama has had an economy which mirrored the Great Depression in no way whatsoever... He had a recession, which resembled the same recessions which have occured under several presidents during that time period...

Yet, he has been outperformed by all of them...

DESPITE THAT HE OUTSPENT FDR'S SPENDING AT THE TIME OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION!!!


Obama's economy = worse than Bush's economy... that's a sad state of affairs...

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"Please ignore progress!"

Re: Be wary of late numbers; measure the 4 years as a whole... Look at the big pictur

IndepCentristMA said:

LMFAO... they don't chery pick to stop at Truman... ITS WHEN THEY STARTED COLLECTING THE MODERN DATA IN REGARDS TO THE ISSUE!!!

You're hysterical at times... too funny when you make up false arguments...

Obama has had an economy which mirrored the Great Depression in no way whatsoever... He had a recession, which resembled the same recessions which have occured under several presidents during that time period...

Yet, he has been outperformed by all of them...

DESPITE THAT HE OUTSPENT FDR'S SPENDING AT THE TIME OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION!!!


Obama's economy = worse than Bush's economy... that's a sad state of affairs...

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Look, it's just sad that you have to resort to fabrication to make your pathetic case. We know what the unemployment rate was under FDR. It's very easy to find that information out, so it's pretty clear that you're just fibbing about it. It is also well know that the Great Recession was the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Notice the similarity of the names? Hint: it's not coincidence.

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Someone like Romney could use his experience at Bain Capital in a government position.

Why should lazy Americans have those government jobs in DC when we can give them to foreigners who will take those jobs for a fraction of the salary?

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AdamT said:

Look, it's just sad that you have to resort to fabrication to make your pathetic case. We know what the unemployment rate was under FDR. It's very easy to find that information out, so it's pretty clear that you're just fibbing about it. It is also well know that the Great Recession was the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Notice the similarity of the names? Hint: it's not coincidence.

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Odd then that the BLS website is lying too, when you look up unemployment stats... and the oldest date they provide statistics for is 1948... under TRUMAN...

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Hint: that's not coincidence either...


BTW... it was Obama that put out the narative calling it the great recession... in the months leading up to him taking office...

No one in the economic world was calling it that at that point... at that point it was "the economic slowdown"...