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Iowa to poll-watchers: Back off

Boo Radley said:
I don't have a strong opinion on this, but are you afraid they might see something?
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I think if you read my other posts you'd know the answer.
 
wolfman24 said:
According to the report from MSNBC and ABC. They are SUPPOSE to be instructions on how to vote, who can vote and ID issues. Since I have not seen one I cannot verify this. It was also on a thread on this site.
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Oh well, if it was on MSNBC then it must be gospel!!
 
American said:
I think if you read my other posts you'd know the answer.
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I've read them and other than a dose of ethnocentrism, or nationalism if you prefer, I really don't see what worries you.
 
Boo Radley said:
Seems OK if accurate. If misleading or inaccurate, then I would have an issue.
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Again. Observers OBSERE in my state. They are not suppose to do anything else. In my time, if an Observer did anything they were not suppose to do it was a violation of state law. So from the states perspective it should not be ok and in mine if they are not observers what the hell are they doing at the voting stations anyhow. They are obviously not part of thet staff andd therefore are just lurkers. Besides it is the job of the staff to tell the voters what to do not the GOP "observers".
Voting places are suppose to be neutral ground NO POLITICAL presence at all.
 
Boo Radley said:
I've read them and other than a dose of ethnocentrism, or nationalism if you prefer, I really don't see what worries you.
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"The British are coming the British are coming"
 
American said:
Iowa to poll-watchers: Back off - Bobby Cervantes - POLITICO.com


Props to Iowa for this. We don't need no stinkin' OSCE looking over our shoulder. There are plenty of others countries they can do their voting crisis intervention.
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Americans vote in secret.

We enter the booth and close the curtain and no one else can see how we vote.

That was not always the case for humanity in the past, and then when people voted with "watchers" looking over their shoulder, they were often compelled to place their vote out of fear.

The valued secret ballot tradition in America is monumental with respect to world history.

The last thing Americans need is for there to be a crowd in the polling place and people with accents asking them perhaps multiple times how they're voting. And for new American citizens who immigratd here, that can be intimidating, considering where they might have come from.

The only people who should be in the polling place are voters and poll-workers and American citizen government officials constitutionally/legally authorized to be there.

No one else should be milling about .. and in my book, that includes post-vote pollsters.

If the law is 100 feet or 300 feet or whatever, that law should indeed be enforced.

Those who complain about enforcing this good law for American citizens obviously have some kind of agenda.

And as one person once told me, "My spouse and I discuss the issues and then decide how we should vote and when we'll go to the polls .. but I reserve the right to vote differently once I enter the booth and to go when I want to. The last thing I need is for some "observer" to approach me after I voted to ask me how I voted while some hidden media camera is trained on me. I don't want any "news at 11:00" surprises in bed that evening."
 
Ontologuy said:
Americans vote in secret.

We enter the booth and close the curtain and no one else can see how we vote.

That was not always the case for humanity in the past, and then when people voted with "watchers" looking over their shoulder, they were often compelled to place their vote out of fear.

The valued secret ballot tradition in America is monumental with respect to world history.
You clearly
The last thing Americans need is for there to be a crowd in the polling place and people with accents asking them perhaps multiple times how they're voting. And for new American citizens who immigratd here, that can be intimidating, considering where they might have come from.

The only people who should be in the polling place are voters and poll-workers and American citizen government officials constitutionally/legally authorized to be there.

No one else should be milling about .. and in my book, that includes post-vote pollsters.

If the law is 100 feet or 300 feet or whatever, that law should indeed be enforced.

Those who complain about enforcing this good law for American citizens obviously have some kind of agenda.

And as one person once told me, "My spouse and I discuss the issues and then decide how we should vote and when we'll go to the polls .. but I reserve the right to vote differently once I enter the booth and to go when I want to. The last thing I need is for some "observer" to approach me after I voted to ask me how I voted while some hidden media camera is trained on me. I don't want any "news at 11:00" surprises in bed that evening."
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You clearly don't understand what the aims, role and activities of election observers are. The OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe) is an organisation of which the US and Canada are members, as well as all the European nations who have signed up. The link gives you a full idea of what their election observation programmes do, and why. From the intro:

All OSCE participating States have agreed that human dimension issues are not internal
affairs but matters of immediate and legitimate concern to all other participating States. The
1996 Lisbon Summit Declaration stated that, “among the acute problems within the human
dimension, the continuing violations of human rights, such as … electoral fraud … continue
to endanger stability in the OSCE region.
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If you wish to read sinister intentions, then you and your government would be advised to resign from membership.
 
Andalublue said:
You clearly don't understand what the aims, role and activities of election observers are. The OSCE (Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe) is an organisation of which the US and Canada are members, as well as all the European nations who have signed up. The link gives you a full idea of what their election observation programmes do, and why. From the intro:

All OSCE participating States have agreed that human dimension issues are not internal
affairs but matters of immediate and legitimate concern to all other participating States. The
1996 Lisbon Summit Declaration stated that, “among the acute problems within the human
dimension, the continuing violations of human rights, such as … electoral fraud … continue
to endanger stability in the OSCE region.
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If you wish to read sinister intentions, then you and your government would be advised to resign from membership.
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Here your present an obvious double-talk babble quote of the OSCE ..

.. Reflect a foreign country under your avatar ..

.. And make no comment whatsoever about supporting the U.S. state laws that keep this Multi-Cultural Internationalist Obama-agendaed organization rightly at 100 to 300 foot bay from American voting booths.

Clearly you have an agenda, an un-American agenda.

To unjustifiably criticize my accurate presentation of the true state of affairs here when you are obviously sporting an ideological agenda that runs counter to American freedom and security ..

.. Is the height of arrogant audacity.
 
Andalublue said:
If you wish to read sinister intentions, then you and your government would be advised to resign from membership.
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Fine, I resign and encourage my government to do the same. If some asshat came up to me in the polling place asking me questions about my vote, the only answer would be to tell them to **** right off. If they were from the UN I'd add the bit about getting the **** out of my country.
 
wolfman24 said:
Again. Observers OBSERE in my state. They are not suppose to do anything else. In my time, if an Observer did anything they were not suppose to do it was a violation of state law. So from the states perspective it should not be ok and in mine if they are not observers what the hell are they doing at the voting stations anyhow. They are obviously not part of thet staff andd therefore are just lurkers. Besides it is the job of the staff to tell the voters what to do not the GOP "observers".
Voting places are suppose to be neutral ground NO POLITICAL presence at all.
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Yeah, I get that. But passing help information doesn't really worry me. Misleading information, or anything meant to hinder the vote does.
 
Andalublue said:
You clearly don't understand what the aims, role and activities of election observers are.
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It doesn't matter what “the aims, role and activities of election observers are”. They don't belong there. They have no authority to intrude upon our election process. They have no business hanging around our voting precincts, and states like Iowa are entirely right in enacting and enforcing laws to protect the voting process from these intrusions.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah, I get that. But passing help information doesn't really worry me. Misleading information, or anything meant to hinder the vote does.
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I thought you might say something like that so here is another Wisconsin gem. It is illegal for anyone but voters and staff to be within 50 feet of a polling place. At least it was awhile ago. These people are not neutral. Thats the problem. They are being briefed by the GOP and they are not neutral. SO there is no justification for them being up front and personal
 
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