Canadians Still Love Obama [W:194]

Wiggen said:

You are obviously unfamiliar with the basic creed of the Far Right's position on foreign countries. Basically it is that they are all vastly inferior to the natural superiority of conservative americans, and therefore any positions or opinions they hold are invalid. Just ask them - they'll tell you. The United States, you see, has been particularly selected by God as the perfect state. The only holdup to achieving this perfection is those damned liberals hanging onto their 'socialistic ideas' which they received from the Godless Europeans.

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Do you have a link?

Wiggen said:

Well, you'd never make it as a conservative here. The Conservative belief is that there is only one country in the world worth living in, but it has to be saved from the Godless Liberals before it goes the way of the rest of the world.

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Does it say that on the Conservative website in Canada? Where are you getting this information?

I hope it's not your opinion because its goofier than a sack of rats.

Grant said:

Does it say that on the Conservative website in Canada? Where are you getting this information?

I hope it's not your opinion because its goofier than a sack of rats.

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I think he's talking about America but I could be wrong.

0bserver92 said:

I think he's talking about America but I could be wrong.

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Well they have a Liberal government in the US but a Conservative Government in Canada and the UK.

Perhaps it's on one of those web sites.

Grant said:

Well they have a Liberal government in the US but a Conservative Government in Canada and the UK.

Perhaps it's on one of those web sites.

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He says this:

The United States, you see, has been particularly selected by God as the perfect state.

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So I think he's talking about the U.S..

lizzie said:

I wish we could give him to you.

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They deserve him.

However he did say this.

Well, you'd never make it as a conservative here. The Conservative belief is that there is only one country in the world worth living in, but it has to be saved from the Godless Liberals before it goes the way of the rest of the world.

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Grant said:

However he did say this.

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I have no idea what he is talking about then.

Μολὼν λαβέ;1061085331 said:

They deserve him.

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zimmer said:

He used the word "FREE".

I've lived in Canada, go back often, and have people I know very well I keep in regular contact with; weekly.

I know Canada. I know the system is a casualty of socialism. It produces long waiting lists, has old technology, is corrupt and inefficient. This was the last pillar to fall during my decade long journey from Socialist to Conservative... I have also live in Scandinavia and the Swedish system is poor, slow and is rife with The Wait as well, and Swedes admit it... I have good friends who are general practitioners in Germany, and it's crap; one escaped to Switzerland because of the dire situation... he could not make a living!!! ...BUT...

...... don't believe me, just read a few paragraphs from someone who has worked in the system and wrote a book about it (Code Blue: Reviving Canada's Health Care System):

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Sorry, but I totally disagree with your characterization. We don't spend anywhere near as much as the states on health care and our outcomes are in many cases better. Ignore that if you will. In outlying regions we do have old equipment, but in every major population centre its not an issue. As a measure, US there are 149 ctscans per 1,000 patients - in Canada its 126. (it would be closer to the US number, but results are shared amongst various doctors)

Our wait times are longer, but generally not excessively so and every patient is triaged. And but we are paid back for those longer wait times with a life expectancy that is 2.5 years longer than yours.

As for corruption, we do a fairly good job of controlling corruption. The beauty of a single payer system, is that any billing anomolies tend to jump off the page when doing statiscal analysis of payment patterns. Of course our corruption doesn't approach the kind of corruption you have in your system.

Our system isn't perfect, but its pretty damn good, every one is covered, nobody goes bankrupt, every one gets the treatment they require.

Anecdotally, I had a heart attack last year. Went to emergency, was immediately put on ECG and was in a station within 5 minutes of entering the hospital. Had numerous test, bloodwork, 5 hits of morphine, brought a portable x ray machine to my bedside, had a whizbang monitor with lots of cool effects. About four hours in, the Head of Cardio comes along - its now about 11 pm to say that there isn't a bed available but he has called a collegue of his at a nearby hospital and would I consent to go there? Yep, thirty minutes later I'm at one of the best heart clinics in the country and the chief heart surgeon just happens to be there. Its now around midnight and he casually says to me - you want to do this now? I tell him he's the guy in the funny suit, you tell me. He laffs and fifteen minutes later I'm in the OR. Had a stent put it - up the arm. it was fascinating. Anyway, I spend the night there in a private room, and was sent back to the original hospital the next day. stayed there for one day and met with nutritionist, pharmacist and rehab specialist before being told I could leave. I wasn't asked to sign anything, didn't pay a nickel. And then, to top if all off, I had 6 months a a rehab program. not a nickel.

Now say what you will about our healthcare, but you'll never convince me that it isn't a good one. And as for it being socialist, well, its cheaper than yours.