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Peter Grimm

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This election looks like it might come down to Ohio. Right now, Obama looks like a heavy favorite to win the state, in fact pundits have him at 3:1 odds to win.

Largely, this is due to the influence of the auto unions in that state.

QUESTION to conservatives: If the auto unions are the reason Obama is re-elected, will you continue to fund them by buying their cars?

I currently drive a Ford, but I have decided to dump anything that has anything to do with the corrupt auto unions going forward.

Below, for your interest, is a list of cars that have the least amount of contact with american auto union workers:


1. Honda - CR-Z, Fit and Insight

2. Suzuki - SX4 Sedan & Hatchback

3. Subaru - Forester & Impreza

4. Mazda - 2, 3-4D, CX-7, MX-5 Miata and RX-8

5. Mitsubishi - Lancer Evolution, Lancer/Sportback and Lancer Relliart/Sportback

6. Nissan - 370Z Coupe, Cube, GT-R, Leaf, Murano, Quest, Juke and Rogue

7. Infiniti - EX 35, FX 35/50, G37, M37/56 and QX56

8. Lexus - CT200h, ES350, GS350/460, GS450h, GX, HS250h, IS, ISC/ISF, LFA, LS460, LS600h, LX570 and RX HV

9. SCION - tC, xB and xD

10. Toyota - 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Highlander HV, Scion iQ, Land Cruiser, Prius, Yaris H/B, Yaris S/D

11. Volvo - C30, C70, S40, S60, V50 and V70

12. Hyundai - Tucson

13. Suzuki - Grand Vitara

14. Hyundai - Azera, Elantra "MD," Elantra Touring and Equus

15. Kia - Sportage
 
Peter Grimm said:
This election looks like it might come down to Ohio. Right now, Obama looks like a heavy favorite to win the state, in fact pundits have him at 3:1 odds to win.

Largely, this is due to the influence of the auto unions in that state.

QUESTION to conservatives: If the auto unions are the reason Obama is re-elected, will you continue to fund them by buying their cars?

I currently drive a Ford, but I have decided to dump anything that has anything to do with the corrupt auto unions going forward.

Below, for your interest, is a list of cars that have the least amount of contact with american auto union workers:


1. Honda - CR-Z, Fit and Insight

2. Suzuki - SX4 Sedan & Hatchback

3. Subaru - Forester & Impreza

4. Mazda - 2, 3-4D, CX-7, MX-5 Miata and RX-8

5. Mitsubishi - Lancer Evolution, Lancer/Sportback and Lancer Relliart/Sportback

6. Nissan - 370Z Coupe, Cube, GT-R, Leaf, Murano, Quest, Juke and Rogue

7. Infiniti - EX 35, FX 35/50, G37, M37/56 and QX56

8. Lexus - CT200h, ES350, GS350/460, GS450h, GX, HS250h, IS, ISC/ISF, LFA, LS460, LS600h, LX570 and RX HV

9. SCION - tC, xB and xD

10. Toyota - 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Highlander HV, Scion iQ, Land Cruiser, Prius, Yaris H/B, Yaris S/D

11. Volvo - C30, C70, S40, S60, V50 and V70

12. Hyundai - Tucson

13. Suzuki - Grand Vitara

14. Hyundai - Azera, Elantra "MD," Elantra Touring and Equus

15. Kia - Sportage
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I cannot imagine why anyone would do that. Making a conscious decision not to buy a car because one company is more involved with unions than another sounds silly. No offense. American automakers need jobs, too, Peter.
 
So your thesis is that Obama isn't winning because he saved thousands and thousands of jobs in Ohio, but rather because everyone in Ohio is stupid and is being manipulated by the unions?
 
If you buy their cars, the money will go to their unions, which will go directly in to the Democrats coffers. I know it sounds silly and mean to consciously NOT buy American, but if you want Republicans to win, that would send a very strong message.

Look at it this way. They want your business. They want your money. You have the opportunity to vote with your checkbook.

MaggieD said:
I cannot imagine why anyone would do that. Making a conscious decision not to buy a car because one company is more involved with unions than another sounds silly. No offense. American automakers need jobs, too, Peter.
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Peter Grimm said:
QUESTION to conservatives: If the auto unions are the reason Obama is re-elected, will you continue to fund them by buying their cars?
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Personally, I think Unions are for mentally inferior people who require direction, mandated by others, in their lives, but that won't dictate what I want. My next car will be bought based on best value for the dollar. Funny how the cars/companies you list are all foreign cars. Cars known for reliability. Wonder if there's any correlation.
 
You can boycott Chick Fillet (or however you spell it, we don't have those here), and we can boycott Ford.

AdamT said:
So your thesis is that Obama isn't winning because he saved thousands and thousands of jobs in Ohio, but rather because everyone in Ohio is stupid and is being manipulated by the unions?
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Vote with your checkbook. Don't put money into the Democrats coffers. If you buy a union car, that's exactly where your dollars will end up.

At least give some of those foreign cars a chance. Test drive them first. Volvos, for instance, are fantastic vehicles, not to mention the safest in the world.

Beware, though, some foreign cars are made in US plants and use parts made by UAW members. Always check first.

Velvet Elvis said:
Personally, I think Unions are for mentally inferior people who require direction, mandated by others, in their lives, but that won't dictate what I want. My next car will be bought based on best value for the dollar. Funny how the cars/companies you list are all foreign cars. Cars known for reliability. Wonder if there's any correlation.
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Peter Grimm said:
If you buy their cars, the money will go to their unions, which will go directly in to the Democrats coffers. I know it sounds silly and mean to consciously NOT buy American, but if you want Republicans to win, that would send a very strong message.

Look at it this way. They want your business. They want your money. You have the opportunity to vote with your checkbook.
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Well, if it makes you feel any better, my last two cars were Lexus's. My next one will be, too. American cars, dollar-for-dollar, feature-for-feature, cannot begin to compare with the Lexus. Not even close.
 
All I'm saying is to pick your fights, but don't go overboard about it.

Personally, I'm looking at getting a Mazda soon. Not because of the unions, but because of the positive reviews, and history of reliability.

If it were the other way around, and American cars had the history of reliability and safety, I'd end up getting an American car. Unions just aren't part of that equation on whether or not I want a certain car.
 
I don't buy American cars because they're junk. Strictly Japanese here. The Japanese know how to build quality automobiles. My choice has nothing to do with unions, and everything to do with quality. But then again, I'm not a conservative.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
QUESTION to conservatives: If the auto unions are the reason Obama is re-elected, will you continue to fund them by buying their cars?
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Actually I don't have a car. Too expensive to maintain, and I don't have car park. But if I am going to buy a car I will buy the car I need/want, and not for political reasons. Not buying american cars will only make American car companies die. I don't want American car companies to die. The reason I don't like greedy unions is because I want the American car industry to thrive.

Although when I buy a car I will buy a used car so I won't fund anyone.
 
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Velvet Elvis said:
Personally, I think Unions are for mentally inferior people who require direction, mandated by others, in their lives, but that won't dictate what I want. My next car will be bought based on best value for the dollar. Funny how the cars/companies you list are all foreign cars. Cars known for reliability. Wonder if there's any correlation.
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I didn't know that supporting a group of people who advocate proper working conditions and advocate fair pay was displaying signs of mental inferiority.

I know there are some unions that go too far, but face it: they're an integral part of our labor system. And they are responsible for a lot of the rights people are entitled to for their jobs.
 
If your political beliefs matter to you, then you would be well advised to think about such things. What you do with your checkbook matters more in the long run than what you do at the ballot box, in many ways. If you think unions are bad, then don't buy union-made.

Anyway, Mazdas are great cars, I think that's a great choice.

Velvet Elvis said:
All I'm saying is to pick your fights, but don't go overboard about it.

Personally, I'm looking at getting a Mazda soon. Not because of the unions, but because of the positive reviews, and history of reliability.

If it were the other way around, and American cars had the history of reliability and safety, I'd end up getting an American car. Unions just aren't part of that equation on whether or not I want a certain car.
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frogloe said:
I didn't know that supporting a group of people who advocate proper working conditions and advocate fair pay was displaying signs of mental inferiority.
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The problem is that pro-union people still think we live in the 1800's. If you really think things would regress if unions were dissolved, then your ignorance shows.

I know there are some unions that go too far, but face it: they're an integral part of our labor system. And they are responsible for a lot of the rights people are entitled to for their jobs.
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There was a time when unions actually were integral. Now it's an obsolete concept, run by a bunch of extortionist goons.
 
Peter Grimm said:
This election looks like it might come down to Ohio. Right now, Obama looks like a heavy favorite to win the state, in fact pundits have him at 3:1 odds to win.

Largely, this is due to the influence of the auto unions in that state.

QUESTION to conservatives: If the auto unions are the reason Obama is re-elected, will you continue to fund them by buying their cars?

I currently drive a Ford, but I have decided to dump anything that has anything to do with the corrupt auto unions going forward.

Below, for your interest, is a list of cars that have the least amount of contact with american auto union workers:


1. Honda - CR-Z, Fit and Insight

2. Suzuki - SX4 Sedan & Hatchback

3. Subaru - Forester & Impreza

4. Mazda - 2, 3-4D, CX-7, MX-5 Miata and RX-8

5. Mitsubishi - Lancer Evolution, Lancer/Sportback and Lancer Relliart/Sportback

6. Nissan - 370Z Coupe, Cube, GT-R, Leaf, Murano, Quest, Juke and Rogue

7. Infiniti - EX 35, FX 35/50, G37, M37/56 and QX56

8. Lexus - CT200h, ES350, GS350/460, GS450h, GX, HS250h, IS, ISC/ISF, LFA, LS460, LS600h, LX570 and RX HV

9. SCION - tC, xB and xD

10. Toyota - 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Highlander HV, Scion iQ, Land Cruiser, Prius, Yaris H/B, Yaris S/D

11. Volvo - C30, C70, S40, S60, V50 and V70

12. Hyundai - Tucson

13. Suzuki - Grand Vitara

14. Hyundai - Azera, Elantra "MD," Elantra Touring and Equus

15. Kia - Sportage
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most of those are japanese cars,and if you had seen japanese manufacturing plants in america,they arent verypro union.i knew some people who used to work for toyota in the south us,and they started at 18 an hour,without a union,their top pay at the time was 35 an hour for manufacturing,and more for engineers.they had medical benefits and made a better standard of living than working at a union detroit job,with better job security.but at the same time didnt have to pay rediculous union fees and super high wages for seniority of effectiveness.

even with decent wages,the japanese make cars here because its cheaper than making them there and shipping them here(i bet they are crying in japan over outsourcing)and the japanese tend to pay based on worth,rather than the way unions run which is off seniority.this has made the japanese cars increasingly profitable over the years as they really arent any cheaper than american cars,but offer more options for the same price,while still paying good wages.
 
Peter Grimm said:
If your political beliefs matter to you, then you would be well advised to think about such things. What you do with your checkbook matters more in the long run than what you do at the ballot box, in many ways. If you think unions are bad, then don't buy union-made.

Anyway, Mazdas are great cars, I think that's a great choice.
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I completely agree with the bolded part.
 
I am bringing this post here, because it was posted off-topic.

Peter Grimm said:
Cool. If Obama wins, my next car is going to be a Volvo.

Take that, auto unions. :lamo
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So you are going to support Swedish auto unions instead? Very patriotic of you. :roll:

Why don't you buy Nissan instead? They produce a lot of their cars in Tennesse which is a right to work state.
 
Peter Grimm said:
QUESTION to conservatives: If the auto unions are the reason Obama is re-elected, will you continue to fund them by buying their cars?
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I really couldn't care less about the auto unions. I purchase vehicles based on their qualities and advantages over other vehicles on the market, not politics.
 
The Man said:
I don't buy American cars because they're junk. Strictly Japanese here. The Japanese know how to build quality automobiles. My choice has nothing to do with unions, and everything to do with quality. But then again, I'm not a conservative.
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that is quite false,i work in automotive and i can tell you on average i see more japanese cars in the shop than american these days.

one thing ive learned about buying cars is always buy the ones i see least in the shop,usually toyotas(except a few)hondas with manual transmissions,dodge trucks(stay away from their older fwd cars)dodge caravans(as much as they suck they are the most reliable minivans,which leads me to believe minivans suck)all chevy trucks,older ford trucks,older chevy fwd cars,but not the new ones,any ford with an manual(ford has had the least reliable automatic transmissions for decades now)most jap cars mid 90's and earlier,subarus,etc.
 
I wasn't being literal. I mean, I wouldn't rule out a Volvo, but I haven't picked out my next car yet so I'm on the market.

My concern here is that I don't want to support the UAW, which donates large sums of money and is very active in influencing its membership to vote for the Democratic Party here in the United States.

I just want to raise awareness of that fact and get people to put 2 and 2 together.

Many Americans buy American cars because it feels patriotic. I want conservative-minded Americans to realize that a good chunk of that money they spend on a new American car will go right in to the pockets of the UAW.... and therefore right into the pockets of Obama and the Democratic Party.

Next time you conservatives are at a Ford Dealership, I want you to picture Nancy Pelosi's face grinning back at you. Just think, you are funding your very own "hope and change" ad on television.
Camlon said:
I am bringing this post here, because it was posted off-topic.


So you are going to support Swedish auto unions instead? Very patriotic of you. :roll:

Why don't you buy Nissan instead? They produce a lot of their cars in Tennesse which is a right to work state.
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The Man said:
I don't buy American cars because they're junk. Strictly Japanese here. The Japanese know how to build quality automobiles. My choice has nothing to do with unions, and everything to do with quality. But then again, I'm not a conservative.
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Ummm...

I AM a conservative and I bought my Forester for the same reasons you stated above.
 
If Obama wins, I refuse to go back to Kindergarten again in protest of the teachers union that helped him get there. You can bank on that. :cool:
 
beerftw said:
most of those are japanese cars,and if you had seen japanese manufacturing plants in america,they arent verypro union.i knew some people who used to work for toyota in the south us,and they started at 18 an hour,without a union,their top pay at the time was 35 an hour for manufacturing,and more for engineers.they had medical benefits and made a better standard of living than working at a union detroit job,with better job security.but at the same time didnt have to pay rediculous union fees and super high wages for seniority of effectiveness.

even with decent wages,the japanese make cars here because its cheaper than making them there and shipping them here(i bet they are crying in japan over outsourcing)and the japanese tend to pay based on worth,rather than the way unions run which is off seniority.this has made the japanese cars increasingly profitable over the years as they really arent any cheaper than american cars,but offer more options for the same price,while still paying good wages.
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To add, what the foreign auto makers have over the US is engineering and quality control.
 
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