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With only days remaining, the most likely scenario is that Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama wins the election.

This is evidence that Americans are among the stupidest people in the civilized world. The nation is going to willfully piss away being the greatest nation on earth, and continue on its slide into mediocrity.


From Fox:



Here's a look at what local issues could end up deciding the 2012 presidential race:


In Virginia, Obama and Romney are each promising they can avert looming military cuts that would hurt a local economy dependent on defense contracts.
“I will not cut our military,” Romney said during a rally last month in the Virginia Tidewater region, home to military bases and a large veteran population. “You listened to … talk about the cuts the president has put in place for our military. It’s unthinkable to Virginia.”
The Romney campaign also has run ads in that region and in northern Virginia that claim the cuts will “weaken national security,” in addition to eliminating at least 130,000 jobs.
The Obama campaign has reminded voters the Republican-controlled House, which includes Romney running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, voted in favor of the cuts -- or rather, the debt-ceiling deal which set up a committee to cut the deficit and created the mandatory cuts as a fallback. And during a recent stop in Virginia Beach, the president widened his pitch by vowing to help returning veterans and subtly reminding voters that state Republican lawmakers this year proposed controversial legislation on women’s reproductive issues.
“No one who fights for this country should fight for a job or roof over their heads when they come home,” the president said.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Romney


In Colorado, the race boils down to a fight for roughly 100,000 undecided voters – largely independents and women who support abortion rights.
The demographics -- including the 21 percent of the population who are Hispanics and who helped Obama win the state in 2008 -- still appear to favor Obama. But the president’s populist message that works so well with working-class Midwestern voters appears less attractive this time in Colorado -- a largely affluent, non-union state.
Romney campaign adviser Kevin Madden said Tuesday his candidate is also addressing such “kitchen table” issues as unemployment and rising energy and health care costs, but with a more clear-cut plan.
“We feel really good about Colorado,” he said.

Latest poll reading: Virtually tied


Florida is a classic battleground state in which Romney has recently taken a small lead. With South Florida and the large immigrant population in metropolitan Miami most likely voting Democrat and the Gulf Coast leaning toward Romney, the candidates have focused on voters in the central region and the state’s severe housing-mortgage crisis.
Vice President Biden last week touted an administration plan that makes banks provide mortgage relief to non-delinquent homeowners and argued the housing industry is making a recovery.
“No state has been devastated more by housing than this state,” he said at a rally in St. Augustine. “Housing starts, they're at their highest rate since July of 2008, and they say America is in decline.”
The Tampa Bay Times, the state’s largest newspaper, has endorsed the president, while the rival Orlando Sentinel supports Romney, after backing Obama in 2008.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Romney


Iowa also voted for Obama in 2008 and, as in years past, remains a major part of the presidential campaign landscape.
The president attended the state fair this summer and returned this week with essentially the same working-class pitch, but with more attacks on Romney.
He said during a rally in Davenport that Romney's five-point plan is really only a "one-point" plan that serves the wealthiest Americans and that he will "stick the middle class with the bill." Obama also suggested the Republican presidential nominee is not supportive of teachers or auto workers. In addition, the president has repeatedly argued Romney was against his taxpayer-funded bailout of the U.S. auto industry.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


Nevada continues to struggle under a housing crisis and high unemployment, which at 11.8 percent is the highest in the country.
Romney on Tuesday promised to cut in half the state’s jobless rate and warned potential voters that another four years of Obama will not improve the state’s foreclosure rate -- the fifth-highest in the country.
“If (Obama’s) re-elected I’m convinced you’re going to see the values of your homes continue to bump along in the basement, and you’re going to find it hard to get a mortgage,” Romney said at rally in suburban Las Vegas.
Obama appears focused on winning Nevada through the Hispanic vote, considering they make up 27 percent of the state's population.
He told the Des Moines (Iowa) Register that Hispanic voters nationwide might swing the race for him because Mitt Romney and other Republicans have “so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community.” Romney's campaign accused the president of taking the Hispanic vote "for granted."

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


Wisconsin also voted for Obama in 2008, but Republicans have since become a stronger presence – with Republican Gov. Scott Walker limiting union bargaining agreements for state employees and surviving a recall election. Wisconsin also is the political starting ground for Ryan and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.
But the Midwestern state also has ties to the auto industry and a healthy economy with a low unemployment rate, which could also help Obama.
Both parties expect a strong voter turnout, driven in large part by a close and engaging Senate race between Democratic Rep. Tammy Baldwin and former four-term Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


New Hampshire largely escaped the financial crisis that hit Nevada and much of the rest of the country during Obama’s first term, which could help the president again win the state. However, the New England mentality of self-reliance could help Romney, who is expected to do well, considering he was governor of neighboring Massachusetts.
Trying to win the women vote in the state, the president last week tried to tie Romney to the Republican-led state Legislature that also recently considered several measure related to women’s reproductive issues.
Obama’s scheduled appearance Saturday marks the sixth time he has visited the state during this election cycle.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


Ohio remains the pivotal battleground state, with no Republican having won the White House without winning the state.
The deciding factor might well be demographics more than issues. In a state where roughly one-in-eight jobs is related to the auto industry, Obama could do well with blue-collar, union workers and with women. However, Romney has pulled nearly even with Obama in recent polls.
Looking for the auto-industry advantage, it's no accident that Obama has been invoking an op-ed Romney once wrote that was titled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt." Despite Obama's claims, though, the 2008 column did advocate for helping the auto industry with government guarantees.


Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


* Poll readings based on RealClearPolitics poll averages


Read more: Battleground issues drive the campaign message in final stretch | Fox News
 
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With only days remaining, the most likely scenario is that Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama wins the election.

This is evidence that Americans are among the stupidest people in the civilized world. The nation is going to willfully piss away being the greatest nation on earth, and continue on its slide into mediocracy.

A bit early for sour grapes don't you think? Had you said you believed people were voting against their interest then we'd simply be just disagreeing... instead you go all out and call everyone who doesn't vote they way you vote, "among the stupidest people in the civilized world."

Oh well.
 
I think pissing away the greatest nation on earth is the act of a fool, and yes it bothers me because I have to live here with you nincompoops.

A bit early for sour grapes don't you think? Had you said you believed people were voting against their interest then we'd simply be just disagreeing... instead you go all out and call everyone who doesn't vote they way you vote, "among the stupidest people in the civilized world."

Oh well.
 
I prefer to be optimistic and predict a Romney victory in both popular, and electoral votes. America knows that this liar Obama is out of gas.
 
Nope.

I foresee one of the biggest landslides in modern history for R2.

Come you guys...put the two stump speeches side by side and LISTEN.

Obama is all Alinsky, all the time. Nothing but shuck and jive yelling.

Romney's got a logical, positive message.

Even Michigan's in play with very little ads by either side.

The Detroit News endorsed Romney...that is amazing.
 
The US fascist Corpocracy allows its slaves, oooops sorry, I mean its citizens to cast a vote every 4 years for one of two preselected corporate puppet clowns that serve the corpocratic tyranny and fuel the fascist imperial US war machine.

George Orwell would be vomiting in his cask.
 
I think pissing away the greatest nation on earth is the act of a fool, and yes it bothers me because I have to live here with you nincompoops.

Whomever is elected, the sky won't fall. We'll still be the biggest power in the world. It's not getting pissed away. Disappointment is understandable. Don't buy into fear. It's pointless.
 
Nope.

I foresee one of the biggest landslides in modern history for R2.

Come you guys...put the two stump speeches side by side and LISTEN.

Obama is all Alinsky, all the time. Nothing but shuck and jive yelling.

Romney's got a logical, positive message.

Even Michigan's in play with very little ads by either side.

The Detroit News endorsed Romney...that is amazing.

Another prediction gem I have no room for in my sig unfortunately.
 
I prefer to be optimistic and predict a Romney victory in both popular, and electoral votes. America knows that this liar Obama is out of gas.

Just because Obama's campaign promises of 2008 nearly entirely turned out to be total lies and he instead did the exact opposite - does not mean that he won't keep those same promises he now makes in 2012 as he made and broke in 2008. This time he could be telling the truth that a vote for Obama 2012 is a successful vote against Obama 2008.
 
The election is now a ground war, the polls don't matter anymore. The question now is only which one can get more voters at the polls or otherwise steal votes.
 
I think pissing away the greatest nation on earth is the act of a fool, and yes it bothers me because I have to live here with you nincompoops.

If you voted feven once or Dubya, then you should keep your big ole pie hole shut.
 
Unless the polls are totally wrong, that's not going to happen. We need to win Ohio. Not one poll has us ahead there. That fact alone blows my mind. I spend a lot of time out in Ohio, and I rarely run in to Obama supporters. If I had never seen a poll, I wouldn't think there was a chance in the world a Democrat could ever win in that state. Oh well.

I prefer to be optimistic and predict a Romney victory in both popular, and electoral votes. America knows that this liar Obama is out of gas.
 
Good because I didn't. I voted for Gore, then Kerry.

Hell, even MY lib ass didn't vote for them. It wasn't for the shrub but it wasn't for them either.
 
Unless the polls are totally wrong, that's not going to happen. We need to win Ohio. Not one poll has us ahead there. That fact alone blows my mind. I spend a lot of time out in Ohio, and I rarely run in to Obama supporters. If I had never seen a poll, I wouldn't think there was a chance in the world a Democrat could ever win in that state. Oh well.


I think the polls are all but useless this time around. I just don't see them being anywhere near what the outcome will be. I could be wrong, but for the country's sake I hope I am not.
 
Racist! Oh wait, that is only for your guy right? :roll:

What's funny is claimsj of racism are dwarfed by those who claim the race card is played to much. If I make a thread claiming racism, it will be swamped with righties whining about false claims blah blah blah... FAAAAARRRR more than people claiming racism.

In more simple form, if I were a jerk for claiming racism, the knee-jerks are five times larger.
 
It depends on how many people realize that businesses are sitting on piles of money that they refuse to circulate in the economy out of fear of Obama's policies. Whether they are justified about that fear or are being paranoiac, they definitely aren't passing up opportunities to make money just to spite Obama. If Romney wins, again whether it makes business sense or is just wishful Conservative thinking, businesses will pour their hoarded wealth back into the economy and create prosperity again. Romney will inspire a New Deal from the private sector.
 
With only days remaining, the most likely scenario is that Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama wins the election.

This is evidence that Americans are among the stupidest people in the civilized world. The nation is going to willfully piss away being the greatest nation on earth, and continue on its slide into mediocrity.


From Fox:



Here's a look at what local issues could end up deciding the 2012 presidential race:


In Virginia, Obama and Romney are each promising they can avert looming military cuts that would hurt a local economy dependent on defense contracts.
“I will not cut our military,” Romney said during a rally last month in the Virginia Tidewater region, home to military bases and a large veteran population. “You listened to … talk about the cuts the president has put in place for our military. It’s unthinkable to Virginia.”
The Romney campaign also has run ads in that region and in northern Virginia that claim the cuts will “weaken national security,” in addition to eliminating at least 130,000 jobs.
The Obama campaign has reminded voters the Republican-controlled House, which includes Romney running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, voted in favor of the cuts -- or rather, the debt-ceiling deal which set up a committee to cut the deficit and created the mandatory cuts as a fallback. And during a recent stop in Virginia Beach, the president widened his pitch by vowing to help returning veterans and subtly reminding voters that state Republican lawmakers this year proposed controversial legislation on women’s reproductive issues.
“No one who fights for this country should fight for a job or roof over their heads when they come home,” the president said.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Romney


In Colorado, the race boils down to a fight for roughly 100,000 undecided voters – largely independents and women who support abortion rights.
The demographics -- including the 21 percent of the population who are Hispanics and who helped Obama win the state in 2008 -- still appear to favor Obama. But the president’s populist message that works so well with working-class Midwestern voters appears less attractive this time in Colorado -- a largely affluent, non-union state.
Romney campaign adviser Kevin Madden said Tuesday his candidate is also addressing such “kitchen table” issues as unemployment and rising energy and health care costs, but with a more clear-cut plan.
“We feel really good about Colorado,” he said.

Latest poll reading: Virtually tied


Florida is a classic battleground state in which Romney has recently taken a small lead. With South Florida and the large immigrant population in metropolitan Miami most likely voting Democrat and the Gulf Coast leaning toward Romney, the candidates have focused on voters in the central region and the state’s severe housing-mortgage crisis.
Vice President Biden last week touted an administration plan that makes banks provide mortgage relief to non-delinquent homeowners and argued the housing industry is making a recovery.
“No state has been devastated more by housing than this state,” he said at a rally in St. Augustine. “Housing starts, they're at their highest rate since July of 2008, and they say America is in decline.”
The Tampa Bay Times, the state’s largest newspaper, has endorsed the president, while the rival Orlando Sentinel supports Romney, after backing Obama in 2008.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Romney


Iowa also voted for Obama in 2008 and, as in years past, remains a major part of the presidential campaign landscape.
The president attended the state fair this summer and returned this week with essentially the same working-class pitch, but with more attacks on Romney.
He said during a rally in Davenport that Romney's five-point plan is really only a "one-point" plan that serves the wealthiest Americans and that he will "stick the middle class with the bill." Obama also suggested the Republican presidential nominee is not supportive of teachers or auto workers. In addition, the president has repeatedly argued Romney was against his taxpayer-funded bailout of the U.S. auto industry.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


Nevada continues to struggle under a housing crisis and high unemployment, which at 11.8 percent is the highest in the country.
Romney on Tuesday promised to cut in half the state’s jobless rate and warned potential voters that another four years of Obama will not improve the state’s foreclosure rate -- the fifth-highest in the country.
“If (Obama’s) re-elected I’m convinced you’re going to see the values of your homes continue to bump along in the basement, and you’re going to find it hard to get a mortgage,” Romney said at rally in suburban Las Vegas.
Obama appears focused on winning Nevada through the Hispanic vote, considering they make up 27 percent of the state's population.
He told the Des Moines (Iowa) Register that Hispanic voters nationwide might swing the race for him because Mitt Romney and other Republicans have “so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community.” Romney's campaign accused the president of taking the Hispanic vote "for granted."

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


Wisconsin also voted for Obama in 2008, but Republicans have since become a stronger presence – with Republican Gov. Scott Walker limiting union bargaining agreements for state employees and surviving a recall election. Wisconsin also is the political starting ground for Ryan and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.
But the Midwestern state also has ties to the auto industry and a healthy economy with a low unemployment rate, which could also help Obama.
Both parties expect a strong voter turnout, driven in large part by a close and engaging Senate race between Democratic Rep. Tammy Baldwin and former four-term Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


New Hampshire largely escaped the financial crisis that hit Nevada and much of the rest of the country during Obama’s first term, which could help the president again win the state. However, the New England mentality of self-reliance could help Romney, who is expected to do well, considering he was governor of neighboring Massachusetts.
Trying to win the women vote in the state, the president last week tried to tie Romney to the Republican-led state Legislature that also recently considered several measure related to women’s reproductive issues.
Obama’s scheduled appearance Saturday marks the sixth time he has visited the state during this election cycle.

Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


Ohio remains the pivotal battleground state, with no Republican having won the White House without winning the state.
The deciding factor might well be demographics more than issues. In a state where roughly one-in-eight jobs is related to the auto industry, Obama could do well with blue-collar, union workers and with women. However, Romney has pulled nearly even with Obama in recent polls.
Looking for the auto-industry advantage, it's no accident that Obama has been invoking an op-ed Romney once wrote that was titled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt." Despite Obama's claims, though, the 2008 column did advocate for helping the auto industry with government guarantees.


Latest poll reading: Edge to Obama


* Poll readings based on RealClearPolitics poll averages


Read more: Battleground issues drive the campaign message in final stretch | Fox News
imo, one thing that should be taken into consideration is ignoring extreme outliers and taking into consideration which polls tend to be more accurate in general. Doing this actually puts Colorado and New Hampshire as "lean Romney," although Romney would still lose.
 
I think the polls are all but useless this time around. I just don't see them being anywhere near what the outcome will be. I could be wrong, but for the country's sake I hope I am not.

I feel pretty similar. The polls are being weighted to either represent the same turnout that Obama had in 08 or in some cases, even better than he did in 2008.

What surprises me the most, is that fact that the independent numbers in these polls are being utterly ignored. Just about every one has Romney with an overwhelming lead amongst independent voters.

But, we'll know what way or the other in a short time.
 
What's funny is claimsj of racism are dwarfed by those who claim the race card is played to much. If I make a thread claiming racism, it will be swamped with righties whining about false claims blah blah blah... FAAAAARRRR more than people claiming racism.

In more simple form, if I were a jerk for claiming racism, the knee-jerks are five times larger.


Oh puhleeze! :roll: Truth hurts don't it Rob? See the truth of the matter is that liberals today DO play the race card far too often, hell, it is the 'go to' for Crissy Hissy fit Matthews at every turn, and it has already been said, implied, inferred etc., that should Obama lose it's only because America can't stand the black man in office....Makes me want to vomit. :vomit:
 
Just in case you doubt how dumb we are, here's a table showing average IQ scores by nation. You can see, most Europeans and Asians are brighter than Americans:

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ANd here's some education statistics. American kids are as dumb as American adults. We rank in the mid-30's in reading, math, and science. Here's a table I found quickly in picture format, but you can look it up in greater detail if it interests you.

education-rankings.jpg


So, no doubt, this is one of the dumbest nations in the civilized world.

Whomever is elected, the sky won't fall. We'll still be the biggest power in the world. It's not getting pissed away. Disappointment is understandable. Don't buy into fear. It's pointless.
 
The most likely scenario is that Obama wins the electoral college and the popular vote. Thus "pissing away" it's opportunity to revisit the failed policies of George W. Bush.
 
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