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War on Women?

Henrin said:
So its not a war on women then. It makes no difference.
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Explain that to a woman who needs Planned Parenthood medical services or to a woman who was viciously raped and wants an abortion whose pregnancy resulted from it.
 
pbrauer said:
Explain that to a woman who needs Planned Parenthood medical services or to a woman who was viciously raped and wants an abortion whose pregnancy resulted from it.
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Planned Parenthood will not die if the funding is cut.
And I will happily explain to them that rape doesn't change the nature of the act that they themselves are wanting to commit.
 
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pbrauer said:
Romney / Republicans want to shutdown Planned Parenthood which provides heath services to especially low income women. They also want to overturn Roe v. Wade. They also don't like equal pay for equal work for women.
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How about: don't have sex unless you can provide for a child??

The root of the issue is SEX, NOT CONTRACEPTIVES....

People shouldn't be having sex unless they're willing to accept the consequences of their actions weather it be a baby, HIV etc.... Taxpayers shouldn't be required to defend you from your own actions. Not to mention killing an innocent child is murder....
 
joko104 said:
The "War of Women" claim by Democrats is grotesquely sexist.
1. The attitude is that women are only a collection of reproductive parts for which they need Democrats to protect them against unwanted pregnancies Republicans want to force on them - and that all the other issues - economy and foreign policy - are the men's issues.
2. That abortion and contraceptions are only "womens" issues and of no interest to men.
To try to make the election women versus men.
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1. No, the attitude is that there are certain issues which are unique to women. Issues that aren't unique to women like the economy, in general, and foreign policy are just considered gender neutral issues - not men's issues. In fact, such issues aren't ever even "considered" in terms of gender in my experience, so I don't know where you came up with the idea the Democrats consider those "men's issues."

2. Abortion may affect men, but it is about a WOMAN'S body. And contraception is both a women's and men's issue, but since WOMEN are the ones who get pregnant, contraception, or the lack thereof, has a more direct effect on WOMEN than on men which is why many WOMEN and men treat it as a women's issue.
 
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I actually believe this is a healthy debate and hardly insulting to anyone (well definitely a difficult one for some).

But issues like this need to be discussed - hence this board.
 
Henrin said:
Planned Parenthood will not die if the funding is cut.
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The funding was provided by Congress in a bipartisan manner and signed by the POTUS. What is the reason for cutting funding now?
And I will happily explain to them that rape doesn't change the nature of the act that they themselves are wanting to commit.
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Abortion in certain instances is legal. According to the Roe v. Wade decision it's abortion on during the first trimester.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
1. No, the attitude is that there are certain issues which are unique to women. Issues that aren't unique to women like the economy, in general, and foreign policy are just considered gender neutral issues - not men's issues, so I don't know where you came up with the fantasyland idea the Democrats consider those "men's issues."
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There mere fact that they would create a phrase like "women's issues" would suggest that, ipso facto, subjects that do not deal with women directly are "men's issues". You'd have to be pretty biased to think that one can exist without the other.

2. Abortion may affect men, but it is about a WOMAN'S body. And contraception is both a women's and men's issue, but since WOMEN are the ones who get pregnant, contraception, or the lack thereof, has a more direct effect on WOMEN than on men which is why many WOMEN and men treat it as a women's issue.
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Therefore foreign policy is considered a man's issue because there are more men than women in the Armed Forces. I mean, since you want to deal with statistical absolutes and all...
 
Mr.Nick said:
I actually believe this is a healthy debate and hardly insulting to anyone (well definitely a difficult one for some).

But issues like this need to be discussed - hence this board.
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pbrauer said:
The funding was provided by Congress in a bipartisan manner and signed by the POTUS. What is the reason for cutting funding now?
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My reason is that it's a private organization or charity and the government has no business funding anything of the sort. I really don't care what it provides. I also do not see any power granted that allows for such action, but that is secondary.

Abortion in certain instances is legal. According to the Roe v. Wade decision it's abortion on during the first trimester.
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It sure is.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
1. No, the attitude is that there are certain issues which are unique to women. Issues that aren't unique to women like the economy, in general, and foreign policy are just considered gender neutral issues - not men's issues. In fact, such issues aren't ever even "considered" in terms of gender in my experience, so I don't know where you came up with the idea the Democrats consider those "men's issues."
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How often do you think democrats get with women voters and talk to them about the economy? The fact is that whenever they talk to them its always as if they are a walking uterus and nothing more. I bet all you care about is your uterus? Yeah, that is what I thought. Sorry, but that is the impression when that is all they get talked to about.
 
Gipper said:
There mere fact that they would create a phrase like "women's issues" would suggest that, ipso facto, subjects that do not deal with women directly are "men's issues".
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"Women's issues" refer to things that specifically deal with issues that are unique to women. Just because another issue is not unique to women does not mean that it is unique to men.

Therefore foreign policy is considered a man's issue because there are more men than women in the Armed Forces. I mean, since you want to deal with statistical absolutes and all...
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I have no idea how you made this gigantic leap of logic.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
"Women's issues" refer to things that specifically deal with issues that are unique to women. Just because another issue is not unique to women does not mean that it is unique to men.

I have no idea how you made this gigantic leap of logic.
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I don't think pregnancy, abortion, and absolutely everything in-between is "unique to women". Are you trying to imply that men don't have a dog in that fight?

If it becomes the case, so be it. I won't have to worry about wearing rubbers anymore because I can just refuse to sign the birth certificate and I come out smelling like a rose.
 
Henrin said:
How often do you think democrats get with women voters and talk to them about the economy? The fact is that whenever they talk to them its always as if they are a walking uterus.
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The economy is generally a gender neutral issue, not a uniquely female issue, so there isn't much reason to address economic issues specifically to women. Instead, politicians tend to address those issues to the entire country which, unsurprisingly, includes women. However, for those economic issues that are unique to women, you can look at things like the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
 
Gipper said:
I don't think pregnancy, abortion, and absolutely everything in-between is "unique to women". Are you trying to imply that men don't have a dog in that fight?
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Of course (some) men have a "dog in the fight." But who gets pregnant? Who gets the abortion? The woman does and therefore, those issues are unique to women in a particular and undeniable way. I hope you aren't implying that pregnancy and abortion affect men as much as they do women?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The economy is generally a gender neutral issue, not a uniquely female issue, so there isn't much reason to address economic issues specifically to women. Instead, politicians tend to address those issues to the entire country which, unsurprisingly, includes women. However, for those economic issues that are unique to women, you can look at things like the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
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The act in question:

The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The new act states that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action.
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ThePlayDrive said:
Of course (some) men have a "dog in the fight." But who gets pregnant? Who gets the abortion? The woman does and therefore, those issues are unique to women in a particular and undeniable way.
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I know quite a few married couple who will use the pronoun "we" when it comes to a pregnancy. Although it grows "uniquely" in a woman, I don't think I would classify it as a "woman's issue" solely based on that criterion, since all other measures will have a man involved in some aspect, barring artificial insemination.

I hope you aren't implying that pregnancy and abortion affect men as much as they do women?
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Not 50/50, but enough that I think labeling it a "woman's issue" is incorrect.
 
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Gipper said:
I know quite a few married couple who will use the pronoun "we" when it comes to a pregnancy. Although it grows "uniquely" in a woman, I don't think I would classify it as a "woman's issue" solely based on that criterion, since all other measures will have a man involved in some aspect, barring artificial insemination.



Not 50/50, but enough that I think labeling it a "woman's issue" is incorrect.
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Only women are raped and impregnated so I'de say that issue is 100% female. Men should have zero say in what a women wants to do with a rapist induced pregnancy.
 
Gipper said:
I know quite a few married couple who will use the pronoun "we" when it comes to a pregnancy. Although it grows "uniquely" in a woman, I don't think I would classify it as a "woman's issue" solely based on that criterion, since all other measures will have a man involved in some aspect, barring artificial insemination.
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Sure, I've heard couples, married and not married, say the same thing. I've also seen many women get pissed when men try to act like they have a greater part in the pregnancy than they have. In fact, I've specifically listened to women who find the "we're pregnant" thing incredibly annoying for that very reason. Different strokes.

Not 50/50, but enough that I think labeling it a "woman's issue" is incorrect.
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I don't. The woman's the one who gets pregnant, the woman's the one who gets the abortion and so on. /shrug
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I don't. The woman's the one who gets pregnant, the woman's the one who gets the abortion and so on. /shrug
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It wouldn't bother me if I had a girlfriend/wife who thought like that. She better hope that she makes close to what I make in salary though, as I will have no problem reciprocating by demanding control of what I do with MY money. I'd quickly dismiss that "what's yours is mine/ours" crap.
 
Gipper said:
It wouldn't bother me if I had a girlfriend/wife who thought like that. She better hope that she makes close to what I make in salary though, as I will have no problem reciprocating by demanding control of what I do with MY money. I'd quickly dismiss that "what's yours is mine/ours" crap.
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If that's how you see it, then I guess I hope you find a woman who shares your worldview...
 
iguanaman said:
Only women are raped and impregnated so I'de say that issue is 100% female. Men should have zero say in what a women wants to do with a rapist induced pregnancy.
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Didn't we just learn that women who are raped don't get pregnant?
 
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iliveonramen said:
I actually agree with you on alot of points. Taken separately...contraception is an issue that's pretty important to both individuals in a relationship or household. Abortion is classified as a womans issue but a lot of women are...anti-abortion.

I do think in general though when you take all instances together the Republican party (from equal pay to contraception and abortion) have a 50's era mentality and their policies reflect it.

I do find it rich that apparently Republicans aren't about division. Wasn't Romney talking about 47% of the country that he's not worried about? Don't Republicans always talk about the coasts/urban populations/government workers/educational elite etc?

The idea that Republicans in anyway don't divide is a crock of :eek:uch:
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I agree with Democrats on abortion, contraceptives and gay rights. However, I am voting for Romney for many reasons including I believe nothing Obama says given he is promising the same as he did in 2008 - and mostly did the opposite, in part because of the divisiveness, and a lot because of the economy and foreign policy. I don't see Romney or Obama doing much of anything but talk on social issues anyway and those mostly just diversions from real issues.

Of the 47% comment, this isn't how Romney is campaigning nationally and it falls into "mis-speak" - mostly. However, it is likely accurate that few people who rely in government benefits will vote for Romney as low income people historically do vote Democratic.

For a country to be charitable it has to also be wealthy. The best for "the poor" would be a growing, healthy economy with minimal inflation.
 
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