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IMPORTANT: A message for those who support 3rd party candidates

I cannot, in good conscience, vote for people I do not want in office.

for Romney voters out there... what would you tell me if I implored you to vote for Obama?
Obama voters... what would you tell me if I implored you to vote for Romney?
most likely, you'd all tell me to get bent..

with that in mind.... get bent....I'm not voting for either Romney of Obama.. I already cast for Johnson and i'm happy with my vote.


were in not for a 3rd party, I wouldn't be voting for a President in this election.
 
I encourage all democrats to vote their third party candidate. Write in Micky Mouse if you want.

Predictable. I however want everyone to vote and vote how they wish. I want Romney voters out in force voting for Romney just as much as supporters for Obama, Stein, Johnson, Anderson and Goode.

What's kind of funny in the difference between you and I is that you go very well with your parties philosophy of voter suppression tactics instead of for a better democracy.




yeah... You've chosen the right party for you. Perfect fit.
 
Hey, every single word of that post is ideologically neutral. You won't find one sentence, one phrase, or as much as a single word containing even a hint of political bias anywhere...

Bull**** Grim. Your entire post was about being biased against third party candidates.

It must really suck to be someone who has such a need to insult others, they have to resort to making crap up.

If your butthurt, it wasnt because of anything I posted.
 
You are the most hyperpartisan poster here. As soon as one sees your name in a thread you already know the post will be nothing but slamming Obama.

I guess I have a lack of understanding when it comes to the meaning of the word "honesty". I had no idea it was conditional... And all this time I've gone to such lengths to engaged in honest dialog, and done my best to be truthful... Boy, do I feel dumb now.

Well, I guess I just need a list of those conditions now, so I can lie about someone or something, have a built in excuse too, as well as a clean conscience.

<sarcasm off>
 
First, it's pains me to say this, but it's the unfortunate reality of politics in America... Barring the winner of the next election dying before being sworn in, the absolute reality is, that on inauguration day this January there are only 2 possible outcomes.. Either Barack Obama will be sworn in for a second term as President of the United States, or Mitt Romney will be sworn in and become America's 45th President. That's it folks... There is nothing anyone can say or do to change that reality... NOTHING.

On election day, I know from experience that there is nothing more righteous, or more honorable, than going to the polls and casting a vote of principal and conscience, for the candidate you truly believe in your heart, is the best and most qualified person to be President of the United States. I admire those who stand by their principals by voting for the person they truly believe in. It's a noble thing to do.

Unfortunately though, for a small but growing segment of Americans that do this in support of a 3rd party candidate, it comes at a cost. In doing so, a person surrenders their influence and effectively has no say in who will lead the country. In reality, it means that their votes truly won't count, and their efforts end up contributing absolutely nothing to the process of electing a president. Understandably, that's a price they are more than willing to pay for standing by their convictions and beliefs, but there's another very important cost that I hope you all will give serious consideration to before you vote... It's what it could cost the country and every single one of us, if the wrong person wins the election.

In a perfect world, a person should always cast their vote for the person they feel is best for the job without exception... But the world, including this country, are far from perfect and given how close we find ourselves to the edge of that ever looming financial cliff that we're currently on, it wouldn't take many steps in the wrong direction for us to go over the edge. I truly believe for the first time in my life, that a real potential exists, that the American economy could collapse due to mistakes, errors in judgment, or incorrect actions possibly taken by our president in the coming 4 years.

Understand, I'm not saying this will happen, nor do I believe it's likely to happen, I just believe that the possibility of the economy tanking due to presidential mis-steps now exists, which for me raises the importance of who we elect. If you believe as I do, that the country is in trouble, and how the economy is handled over the next 4 years is of great importance, I strongly urge you to take part in deciding which candidate would serve the country's best interests, by casting a vote that's capable of effecting the outcome of the coming election.

Even if you can't stand Barack Obama or Mitt Romney and believe that electing either would be a disaster, for the sake of the country, I hope you will hold your nose and cast your vote for the one you believe to be the better choice of the two... Because casting a vote for anyone else, is no different than if you had just stayed home, and this election is far to important to do that.

There's a lot riding on this election, so I really hope that those of you who had planned to vote for a 3rd party candidate, would please reconsider that decision... There's just too much to lose here.

Thanks.

If neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party feel fit to pursue the policies that I advocate, then why on Earth should I feel any loyalty to provide them with my vote?

Why should I sacrifice my interests to support the Democratic Party or the Republican Party electorally when neither of them feels any need to sacrifice for my own interests?

If neither the two major parties feel that the issues that are important to me are worth pushing forward as policies, then my vote is not important enough to give to either one of them.

So screw 'em.

I'm voting for Jill Stein this election.

And I live in a swing state.
 
This is IMPORTANT??? LMMFAO. This the least of our problems; our problem is due to the fact we don't have enough of our citizenry involved in the political process. We need to encourage everyone to vote whether they vote for the candidate from one of the two major political parties or from a third one.

This is silly - we should not 'encourage' ANYONE to vote. Voting should be restricted to those who, on their own volition, go to the polls by themselves and cast an INFORMED vote.

This crap about rounding up people who don't even know it is election day and driving them to the polls with a little "encouragement" as to who they should vote for - most often with a secondary benefit of a pack of smokes or a can of beer or a sawbuck or two - is not praiseworthy on any level except the cynical level of winning an election.

That kind of 'voting' should be DISCOURAGED - not 'encouraged.' I have no objection to those who makes an effort to become educated on the issues and goes to the polls voting for someone I disagree with. I DO have a problem with all the 'haul em to the polls' efforts.

Actually I would like to see some sort of test that confirms that every voter knows some basic essentials about how our government is supposed to work and demonstrates some awareness of what is going on in the nation and globally. Encouraging the ignoramuses and the apathetic to vote just dilutes the electorate to the point of randomness. And it invites corruption at the most basic level. Votes can be bought, easily.
 
Bull**** Grim. Your entire post was about being biased against third party candidates.

No it wasn't... My opinion was purely a practical one, not ideological. Nowhere in that post did I say, or even suggest, that any 3rd parties, their platforms, or their candidates, were inferior to the GOP, the Dems, their platforms, or their candidates.

Sorry pal, you just struck out again.
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.
 
First, it's pains me to say this, but it's the unfortunate reality of politics in America... Barring the winner of the next election dying before being sworn in, the absolute reality is, that on inauguration day this January there are only 2 possible outcomes.. Either Barack Obama will be sworn in for a second term as President of the United States, or Mitt Romney will be sworn in and become America's 45th President. That's it folks... There is nothing anyone can say or do to change that reality... NOTHING.

And I'm still voting third party, there is nothing anyone can say or do to change that reality either. As long as the option is there, I'm not voting for jughead one, or jughead two. Anyone who doesn't like it can suck me.
 
No it wasn't... My opinion was purely a practical one, not ideological. Nowhere in that post did I say, or even suggest, that any 3rd parties, their platforms, or their candidates, were inferior to the GOP, the Dems, their platforms, or their candidates.

Sorry pal, you just struck out again.

What you call "practical" is actual preaching voting booth cowardice. You were telling people to go into the voting booth so ****ing scared that they had better choose only one of the two you approve of. You told everyone to fall in line and vote for the duopoly. It's the same ****ing instructions the soviet union gave their populace minus one party. Not much different. There is democracy, then there's what you are preaching. Two completely different ideals.
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.

I agree. While I didn't agree 100%, I thought it was a well thought out post. /shrug
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.

It was neutral between the two parties and completely jacked up bias versus any other party.
 
If neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party feel fit to pursue the policies that I advocate, then why on Earth should I feel any loyalty to provide them with my vote?

Why should I sacrifice my interests to support the Democratic Party or the Republican Party electorally when neither of them feels any need to sacrifice for my own interests?

If neither the two major parties feel that the issues that are important to me are worth pushing forward as policies, then my vote is not important enough to give to either one of them.

So screw 'em.

I'm voting for Jill Stein this election.

And I live in a swing state.

It isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting your own interests, and the country's interests. Since you know that either Obama or Romney will win the election, the Idea is for you to determine which of them you think would make the worse candidate, and cast a vote to defeat them, by choosing the other one on election day.

I really believe this election is important, and of the 2 possible people that will win, I want it to be the candidate that best suites all voters and the nation, to be the one we elect. If you can't have your candidate, you might as well make sure that you get the best, or least harmful, of the 2 that could in.
 
This is silly - we should not 'encourage' ANYONE to vote. Voting should be restricted to those who, on their own volition, go to the polls by themselves and cast an INFORMED vote.

This crap about rounding up people who don't even know it is election day and driving them to the polls with a little "encouragement" as to who they should vote for - most often with a secondary benefit of a pack of smokes or a can of beer or a sawbuck or two - is not praiseworthy on any level except the cynical level of winning an election.

That kind of 'voting' should be DISCOURAGED - not 'encouraged.' I have no objection to those who makes an effort to become educated on the issues and goes to the polls voting for someone I disagree with. I DO have a problem with all the 'haul em to the polls' efforts.

Actually I would like to see some sort of test that confirms that every voter knows some basic essentials about how our government is supposed to work and demonstrates some awareness of what is going on in the nation and globally. Encouraging the ignoramuses and the apathetic to vote just dilutes the electorate to the point of randomness. And it invites corruption at the most basic level. Votes can be bought, easily.

It's kind of tough to make an informed vote when a majority of our media is owned by private corporations who have vested interests in not properly informing the populace on issues.

So if you want to limit the electorate to only those who are informed, you'd better give a lot more money to NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
 
When Romney loses it will be due to die hard party-tard republicans failing to elect a candidate during the primaries that is actually appealing to real conservatives. Personally I hope the republicans get their ass handed to them on election day due to them having the audacity of trying to prop up a dirty lib as a conservative.

a die hard conservative would lose because all the independents would not turn out in his favor.

purists are worthless these days. you all want more kagans on the supreme court
 
What you call "practical" is actual preaching voting booth cowardice. You were telling people to go into the voting booth so ****ing scared that they had better choose only one of the two you approve of. You told everyone to fall in line and vote for the duopoly. It's the same ****ing instructions the soviet union gave their populace minus one party. Not much different. There is democracy, then there's what you are preaching. Two completely different ideals.

Give it up... You can spin until the cows come home, but it won't make your critisism of me either honest, or valid... And since you aren't capable of a retraction or admitting you were wrong, I'm looking forward to the next lie that you are going to pile on.
 
It isn't about loyalty, it's about protecting your own interests, and the country's interests. Since you know that either Obama or Romney will win the election, the Idea is for you to determine which of them you think would make the worse candidate, and cast a vote to defeat them, by choosing the other one on election day.

I really believe this election is important, and of the 2 possible people that will win, I want it to be the candidate that best suites all voters and the nation, to be the one we elect. If you can't have your candidate, you might as well make sure that you get the best, or least harmful, of the 2 that could in.

Except neither Obama nor Romney best suit all voters of the nation.

And neither one represents my interests.

And it would be dishonest for me to endorse either one of them. And withholding my vote is the only leverage I have to acknowledge the issues that are important to me.

So I'm not going to give that away to free when they will just ignore it.
 
Except neither Obama nor Romney best suit all voters of the nation.

And neither one represents my interests.

And it would be dishonest for me to endorse either one of them. And withholding my vote is the only leverage I have to acknowledge the issues that are important to me.

So I'm not going to give that away to free when they will just ignore it.

Face it sam... you have been instructed to put on your coward pants and vote for one of the two major parties no matter how much you disagree with both. Everything is dire. The sky is falling. If you vote third party, America will fail.
 
Face it sam... you have been instructed to put on your coward pants and vote for one of the two major parties no matter how much you disagree with both. Everything is dire. The sky is falling. If you vote third party, America will fail.

Yeah, but if America is failing, don't you think we should take a good, hard look at the two political parties who got us here?
 
Gonna have to give it to Grim here. WHile he was putting forth the standard "3rd party votes are wasted" argument, he attempted and seemingly managed to be amazingly neutral in terms of his OP.

This is true, but it makes his message no less reprehensible.
 
I agree. While I didn't agree 100%, I thought it was a well thought out post. /shrug

Don't you just hate it when I fail to live up to the low standards you expected from me... Kind of makes ya dizzy huh?

:lamo
 
Don't you just hate it when I fail to live up to the low expectations you expected from me... Kind of makes ya dizzy huh?

:lamo

You don't know me, Grim. That's all I gotta say. :mrgreen:
 
I cannot, in good conscience, vote for people I do not want in office.

for Romney voters out there... what would you tell me if I implored you to vote for Obama?
Obama voters... what would you tell me if I implored you to vote for Romney?
most likely, you'd all tell me to get bent..

with that in mind.... get bent....I'm not voting for either Romney of Obama.. I already cast for Johnson and i'm happy with my vote.


were in not for a 3rd party, I wouldn't be voting for a President in this election.


We all need to respect the fact that many people in this country think this election (and many to most others) is a choice between Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee. It just as hard to convince them to abandon a third party vote to choose between Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee as it is to convince a Tweedle-Dum voter that Tweedle-Dee is superior. For those that see this as a meaningless choice, voting 3rd party is not only the strongest vote you can make; it is your patriotic duty.

Voting for someone you do not really believe-in just further encourages the main political parties to nominate the Tweedle-Dums and Tweedle-Dees. Voting for the 3rd party clearly affirms your politics and registers the protest to the main two parties. If neither Tweedle-Dum nor Tweedle-Dee earned your vote; he should not get it. The idea that one should get it just by convincing you the other guy is a bad guy is arrogant. If the main parties want that vote, let them earn it.


Vote your conscience. To those whose conscience has them vote below line two on the ballot: congratulations for having the courage of your convictions. The true wasted vote is the vote that does not register your convictions.
 
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Electoral college needs to go. Media needs to cover all candidates. And while we're at it, throw in world peace.
 
This is true, but it makes his message no less reprehensible.

That's the spirit... Make sure that any compliment is accomapanied with a genorous portion of distain... :lamo

I'm just funnin ya... Good post.
 
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