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Obama Administration Watched Them Die And Denied Their Request For Help [W:84]

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marsden said:
I think we can assume that somebody in the chain of command failed to make the gutsy call to send in a gunship to at least disperse the attackers. We can also assume that a circumstance such as this would have been seen by everyone in that chain of command as urgent and the news of the attack would have quickly reached the highest levels of the chain of command.

So, while we excoriate the administration for their failure to act in a timely and effective way to save those four souls, there is also blame to be shared by Generals or Admirals closer to the scene who put their careers ahead of these people's lives. SOMEBODY should have issued the order to try to assist them if that order wasn't forthcoming from Washington.
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Marsdon....there is a STANDING ORDER to protect life, and the Generals would have sent help I have to believe. However, help wasn't sent. So that can only mean ONE THING, that another order, an order that trumps the standing order, had to have been given, and it had to have been a "stand down" order.

The Standing Order is exactly that; a STANDING order. Meaning, it doesn't have to be "given".

Now, this attack involved a US Ambassador. This is important to understand. Because of his involvement, and the US Ambassadors level of priority of 4 stars, we know that the POTUS was involved in the decision making process.

I contest, that during Obama's 5:00pm meeting with Panetta and Clinton in the Oval Office, the decision was made. After all, you have the 3 Principles in the room all at one time; The POTUS, The Sec. Of State, and the Sec. of Defense. The reason I contest this continues to be a cover up, is because just yesterday, the White House replied "NO COMMENT" to a question of when the President first learned that the consulate had been attacked.

He knew right away. I know this because of military protocol, and the system that kicks in when a "Flash Cable" comes into the White House situation room. The message included the language "US Ambassador missing". That would have been HAND DELIVERED to the POTUS as soon as physically possible. We know that occurred, because protocol mandates THAT'S how it's done.

The more we learn, the more we understand how big this lie is.
 
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Morality Games said:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

This is one of the most contrived conspiracy theories ever trotted out in the history of American politics.
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Contrived??????????? are you fricken crazy?
 
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AdamT said:
There you go.
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I guess it's wrong to assume with you. I assumed you had a brain and that you loved America more than you love Obama.

You are right. I assumed incorrectly.
 
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Mustachio said:
I've said all along that I will be voting for Obama, but I certainly agree that this story would seem to indicate that there were considerable mistakes made in Benghazi and the events from that day forth appear to indicate an attempted coverup. We have the right to make assumptions regarding the embassy attack, but portraying it as a litmus test for voters is absurd.

The premise of your argument is that letting Americans die is unacceptable. You conclude that any president who lets Americans die isn't worthy of our votes. Well, what about Americans who are dying because they don't have access to health care? Taking into consideration Romney's stance on health care (his current stance, not his old stance), does voting for him make you un-American?

The question in this election isn't whether or not the embassy in Benghazi could have been protected in time to save the lives of our ambassadors. The question is which administration will endorse the policies and programs that make this great nation greater? I am going to vote for Obama, thrown down on the ultra official party that will take place after Obama wins, and come the next morning I will drink my Powerade and stand with everybody else who wants to know why our ambassadors weren't protected, see what we could have done differently, and make sure it never happens again.
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What a sick comparison.

Romney says "get insurance off the private market", and you compare that to a President who refuses to do his number one job, which is protect Americans.
 
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Mustachio said:
I've said all along that I will be voting for Obama, but I certainly agree that this story would seem to indicate that there were considerable mistakes made in Benghazi and the events from that day forth appear to indicate an attempted coverup. We have the right to make assumptions regarding the embassy attack, but portraying it as a litmus test for voters is absurd.

The premise of your argument is that letting Americans die is unacceptable. You conclude that any president who lets Americans die isn't worthy of our votes. Well, what about Americans who are dying because they don't have access to health care? Taking into consideration Romney's stance on health care (his current stance, not his old stance), does voting for him make you un-American?

The question in this election isn't whether or not the embassy in Benghazi could have been protected in time to save the lives of our ambassadors. The question is which administration will endorse the policies and programs that make this great nation greater? I am going to vote for Obama, thrown down on the ultra official party that will take place after Obama wins, and come the next morning I will drink my Powerade and stand with everybody else who wants to know why our ambassadors weren't protected, see what we could have done differently, and make sure it never happens again.
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that is just sick, to compare healthcare to letting our ambassador be murdered while we watched. you are a sick human being.

BTW, no one is denied life saving healthcare in the USA, NO ONE. and that was the case before the obamacare fiasco was passed.
 
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Masada said:
What a sick comparison.

Romney says "get insurance off the private market", and you compare that to a President who refuses to do his number one job, which is protect Americans.
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People who die from cancer because they can't afford medical care are no less dead than someone who's shot in the head. But they do get to suffer a lot longer.
 
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AdamT said:
People who die from cancer because they can't afford medical care are no less dead than someone who's shot in the head. But they do get to suffer a lot longer.
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Who in the USA is currently being refused life saving medical care??????? Who, Adam? Your entire existence in this thread is as an obama propagandist. you are a fool if you believe what you are saying.
 
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Masada, thanx for the informative post! Hell, thanks for ALL your informative psts! :)
 
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Bobcat said:
Who in the USA is currently being refused life saving medical care??????? Who, Adam? Your entire existence in this thread is as an obama propagandist. you are a fool if you believe what you are saying.
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Who? The millions of people who don't have health insurance but who make too much money to qualify for Medicare. You are ignorant if you aren't aware of this problem.
 
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marsden said:
Masada, thanx for the informative post! Hell, thanks for ALL your informative psts! :)
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Thank him for his short stories -- he's just making it up as he goes along.
 
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AdamT said:
People who die from cancer because they can't afford medical care are no less dead than someone who's shot in the head. But they do get to suffer a lot longer.
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There ya go again Adam, talking about things you know nothing about. Of course a person who dies of cancer is as dead as a shot in the head person. THAT'S not the freaking point.

The point is, Romney isn't denying ANYONE health insurance. A person's inability to afford something is not the same thing as me denying it to them! This is how you liberals lie your asses off and twist truth around in order to have someone else to blame ****t on. It doesn't fly with me kiddo. I'm smart enough to understand that just because you can't afford a college education, doesn't mean I'm the one denying you a college education!

On the other hand bro.....when the President is watching American citizens, who are outnumbered, getting attacked, and he doesn't send in help, he's DIRECTLY denying them help.

So, your tactics may work on your half witted colleagues, but they don't work on smart people Adam. You should learn that. We aren't stupid, and a square peg doesn't fit into a round hole.
 
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AdamT said:
Dude, you challenged me to come up with an example where the SecDef, Bush, or Biden gave the order, and now you're getting all pissy because I'm asking you to live up to your own standard? Get a grip.

Again, you are ASS * U * ming that whoever gave the order, assuming there was one, made the wrong call. You have no basis to make that judgment. Nor do I have any basis to defend it. But I think it's safe to say that they didn't make the decision just because they didn't like the ambassador, or because they were running guns to the Martians, or whatever the **** the wingnut conspiracy of the hour is.

It may turn out to have been the wrong decision, but I'm pretty sure that there must have been SOME reason for it. So stop going off half cocked and wait for the investigators to do their job. Or is it really just about the election?
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I am getting pissy because you cannot see the writing on the wall. The father of a SEAL with no reason to lie said that the military told him their request to assist was denied. Perhaps i can put this in other terms that partisan hacks will understand: pretend the Ambassador et als were little black kids in a burning house and the Fire Chief said "Don't help them". Either way, Nixon had nothing to do with the Watergate break-in but the cover up cost him his Presidency. If you believe in the democratic party and its principals you will not be trying to defend a person at the expense of the party being thrown from power by this. It is that big. This is the mid-term elections in a nutshell if you need political arguments. If the truth has to be forced from this administration, then everybody involved in the cover up is going to suffer the consequences, and the public will swing against them. You keep making up false allegations like Presidents do this all the time when THEY DO NOT when you should be saying, "Tell the truth, Mr. President." Apparently he is unaccountable because he is the great black hope in your mind, but he is not and neither is anyone else. I have said I was uncomfortable with the politics of this from the beginning, but it is the WH that is playing the politics by spinning and lying about people dying on their watch. When I read that the military told Woods' father that, I was incensed. Jerking around the family of the fallen and telling lies to cover up the truth that they have every damn right to know is pathetic politics and it is the WH that is doing it. You cannot win this argument, only the truth can, and I guarantee you this is not something the President is going to be able to hide in Eric Holder's safe.
 
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marsden said:
Masada, thanx for the informative post! Hell, thanks for ALL your informative psts! :)
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You're welcome, and thanks for the compliment. Now, get back out there and keep delivering those wicked verbal backhands to Adam.....

All I can imagine right now is the song, "I get knocked down, but I get up again....." hahahaha.....that's Adam.
 
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Bronson said:
EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say | Fox News



Obama lied to these families

Obama trotted out a private citizen who made a youtube video WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS in front of the world, arrested him, and blamed him at the UN General Assembly. He had more security than those Americans who were raped and murdered in Benghazi

If you still support Barack Obama after this you are not an American
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If you believe Fox News when they claim they have sources but won't name the sources, I have a used car to sale you.
Fox News has a reputation for making news up.
 
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A sick person with no money or insurace can go to any ER and cannot be turned away if they are having a life threating event. But here is how that really works. If a guy comes in with a cold he is SOL. so he gets sent home. 2 weeks later he shows up with pneumonia. He is moving air pretty good and his temperature is not that high and his sats are better than 90, again he is sent home. 2 days later the ambulance brings him in, he has a very high temp, he is barely moving are and his sats are dropping, finally he gets that "lifesaving" care you are talking about. This is one of the most disengionous arguments the right puts out.
Bobcat said:
that is just sick, to compare healthcare to letting our ambassador be murdered while we watched. you are a sick human being.

BTW, no one is denied life saving healthcare in the USA, NO ONE. and that was the case before the obamacare fiasco was passed.
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AdamT said:
Who? The millions of people who don't have health insurance but who make too much money to qualify for Medicare. You are ignorant if you aren't aware of this problem.
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hahahahahahaha......PRICELESS......

I cant stop laughing.....

Seriously yall, Adam is only 13 years old.....let's cut him some slack
 
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Hairytic said:
If you believe Fox News when they claim they have sources but won't name the sources, I have a used car to sale you.
Fox News has a reputation for making news up.
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You mean like when Harry Reid accused Romney of not paying taxes for a decade, and refused to name his source????

And how YOU were here bashing Romney about not paying taxes...????

Go be a hypocrite somewhere else please. Better yet, just go stand in the corner and let the adults finish talking.....
 
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Fisher said:
I am getting pissy because you cannot see the writing on the wall. The father of a SEAL with no reason to lie said that the military told him their request to assist was denied.
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Yes, I tend to think he's telling the truth. The point is that you are trying and convicting whoever made the call on the basis of no information. You don't know what the logistics of the situation were. You don't know what kind of manpower was available. You don't know how much information they had to go on. Can you not even conceive the possibility that sending in reinforcement may have just gotten the reinforcements killed? Do the words "Black Hawk down" mean anything to you?
 
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Hairytic said:
If you believe Fox News when they claim they have sources but won't name the sources, I have a used car to sale you.
Fox News has a reputation for making news up.
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As opposed to believing the words of the Administration who have a vested interest in saving their own asses? Yeah, gimme Fox News every time.
 
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A couple of days ago Rush was saying they had a drone in the area, why did nt Obama use it? Talk about babble without a clue.
AdamT said:
Yes, I tend to think he's telling the truth. The point is that you are trying and convicting whoever made the call on the basis of no information. You don't know what the logistics of the situation were. You don't know what kind of manpower was available. You don't know how much information they had to go on. Can you not even conceive the possibility that sending in reinforcement may have just gotten the reinforcements killed? Do the words "Black Hawk down" mean anything to you?
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Obama got that 3:00AM phone call and froze.
 
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Masada said:
Crawl back under the rock from which you came....

Have you listened to the stories of the families man? They all said that Obama wouldn't even look them in the eye. Joe Biden came to talk to the father of one of the SEALS, and you wanna know what he said? He started the conversation with, "hey, did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?"

Ya, you call that a remorseful statement? A statement of condolence? A statement one should receive from the Vice President of the freakin United States?

These guys, Obama and Biden, are always the kids in the room.

I'll tell you what the conspiracy is, and you're gonna learn it soon enough, is the operations in which Ambassador Stevens was involved in through the direction of Obama's State Department in an effort to oust Assad in Syria. You just wait for those Congressional hearings that will be coming up in a month or so.

Til then....stay classy liberals.
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I'm not sure pushing every delusion you can in association with the deaths of these people to try and influence the outcome of the upcoming election passes for class.
 
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Morality Games said:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

This is one of the most contrived conspiracy theories ever trotted out in the history of American politics.
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Parroting quotes from the Land of Make-Believe makes your comment even less compelling. It's important for you to understand that less and less of the Center are buying into this smoke & mirrors act from the White House.
 
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Dooble said:
Parroting quotes from the Land of Make-Believe makes your comment even less compelling. It's important for you to understand that less and less of the Center are buying into this smoke & mirrors act from the White House.
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What smoke and mirrors act?
 
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mak2 said:
A couple of days ago Rush was saying they had a drone in the area, why did nt Obama use it? Talk about babble without a clue.
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Yeah, I'm sure that pumping a couple Hellfire missiles into the consulate would have been a big help.
 
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