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The polls may not be telling us what we think they're telling us...

Mithros

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First, let me say that I'm the first in line to call a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory. People who think that polls are biased against one candidate or another, or provide useless information are quite frankly, deluded. Polls are a great resource that provide invaluable information about the direction of the race.

However, I'm not sure that the polls are currently doing a great job of accurately predicting what's going to happen come election day.

Likely voter models may be double, or triple counting voter intensity.
If you interview 1000 randomly selected people, you're going to have an extremely accurate measure of the race. The problem is selecting random people. It's fairly easy to randomly select people to contact, but only 10% or fewer people actually respond to surveys. Moreover, I have a suspicion that this number is dropping as the race drags on; as people are inundated with campaign adds and robo-calls.

That means that the people who you're surveying are the people who are fired up enough about the race to waste time responding to a poll. Granted it's not a scientific analysis, but I'm fairly engaged in the race and I wouldn't give a pollster two seconds of my time. That means that you're only polling the likeliest of likely voters. Applying likely voter models to this data, could actually be making it less accurate.

What are we seeing in the polls? In likely voter models, we're seeing a tightening of the race in battleground states, on the national stage, and among gender and ethnic groups. However, in the registered voter models we're seeing a very consistent race.

If there's one thing that has been abundantly clear from the beginning of the race it's that there have been a relatively low number of undecideds. This has been true in all polls as well as anecdotally among people I know. I simply don't think it's possible that Obama has closed the gap among men while at the same time Romney erased a 16 point gap among women and a 40+ point gap among Hispanics.

For this to be true, then we'd be looking at an electorate with 7-8% undecideds in which 8-10% of the people changed their minds and supported the other candidate while reducing the undecideds by no more than half.

I suspect that very few individuals have actually changed their minds. Obama probably has the same 5 point lead he's had among registered voters since the beginning of the campaign.

That said, a registered voter isn't the same thing as an actual voter. Republicans generally have better turnout than Democrats and it's likely to be even more true this year. However, Obama clearly has a better GotV effort in battleground states than Romney.

What does any of this mean?
I think it means that we don't really know who's going to win. Sure, the average of the polls may be close to the truth, but that may be more dumb luck than anything else. I'd suspect that Obama's a 3:1-4:1 favorite, but so would any incumbent in a reasonably good, but not great economy.

Bottom line... I'm not sure the poll are going to mean all that much over the next two weeks and your vote may or may not make a difference. But you won't know until after the election. So vote your conscience. If nothing else, it gives you the right to gripe for the next four years.
 
First, let me say that I'm the first in line to call a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory. People who think that polls are biased against one candidate or another, or provide useless information are quite frankly, deluded. Polls are a great resource that provide invaluable information about the direction of the race.

However, I'm not sure that the polls are currently doing a great job of accurately predicting what's going to happen come election day.

Likely voter models may be double, or triple counting voter intensity.
If you interview 1000 randomly selected people, you're going to have an extremely accurate measure of the race. The problem is selecting random people. It's fairly easy to randomly select people to contact, but only 10% or fewer people actually respond to surveys. Moreover, I have a suspicion that this number is dropping as the race drags on; as people are inundated with campaign adds and robo-calls.

That means that the people who you're surveying are the people who are fired up enough about the race to waste time responding to a poll. Granted it's not a scientific analysis, but I'm fairly engaged in the race and I wouldn't give a pollster two seconds of my time. That means that you're only polling the likeliest of likely voters. Applying likely voter models to this data, could actually be making it less accurate.

What are we seeing in the polls? In likely voter models, we're seeing a tightening of the race in battleground states, on the national stage, and among gender and ethnic groups. However, in the registered voter models we're seeing a very consistent race.

If there's one thing that has been abundantly clear from the beginning of the race it's that there have been a relatively low number of undecideds. This has been true in all polls as well as anecdotally among people I know. I simply don't think it's possible that Obama has closed the gap among men while at the same time Romney erased a 16 point gap among women and a 40+ point gap among Hispanics.

For this to be true, then we'd be looking at an electorate with 7-8% undecideds in which 8-10% of the people changed their minds and supported the other candidate while reducing the undecideds by no more than half.

I suspect that very few individuals have actually changed their minds. Obama probably has the same 5 point lead he's had among registered voters since the beginning of the campaign.

That said, a registered voter isn't the same thing as an actual voter. Republicans generally have better turnout than Democrats and it's likely to be even more true this year. However, Obama clearly has a better GotV effort in battleground states than Romney.

What does any of this mean?
I think it means that we don't really know who's going to win. Sure, the average of the polls may be close to the truth, but that may be more dumb luck than anything else. I'd suspect that Obama's a 3:1-4:1 favorite, but so would any incumbent in a reasonably good, but not great economy.

Bottom line... I'm not sure the poll are going to mean all that much over the next two weeks and your vote may or may not make a difference. But you won't know until after the election. So vote your conscience. If nothing else, it gives you the right to gripe for the next four years.

Takeaway: What does any of this mean? I think it means that we don't really know who's going to win.

I agree.
 
Polls like tests are snapshots in time. They only hold meaning for the moment but "tomorrows another day"
 
Polls like tests are snapshots in time. They only hold meaning for the moment but "tomorrows another day"
That's the thing.. I think that the direction of polls may be doing a great job of measuring voter enthusiasm, and may be accurately tracking who's waning and who's waxing, but I'm not sure that the actual numbers are a good measure of the actual outcome.

The Democrats have had a consistently increasing advantage among women, the Republicans have had a consistently increasing advantage among men. The Democrats have increased their margins among ethnic minorities, especially Hispanics, and the GOP has increased it's advantage among the white working class.

Now polls are saying that all of these advantages are gone. It's simply not credible.
 
What it means is that it will depend upon voter turnout on election day, especially OH. GOTV is good at getting dem's out early which would be good for handicapped voters and the elderly that the dems think will vote their way but conservatives will likely wait until election day. The reports I have seen have Romney down by 5 in early voting, which I think is good for Romney to even be that close. The more it looks like the race will go one way or the other Nov. 5, the more likely it will encourage people to make an effort to vote on the 6th for the person down, and perhaps would lead to supporters of the person up to not worry so much if they vote since their guy is the apparent winner.
 
I was thinking about this yesterday. The polls are telling us popular vote, what really matters is the electoral vote. Why are they translateing it into elecotral vote?
 
There's some truth that a lot of people simply don't like to be polled, but independents LOVE to be polled. They're attention whores, a lot of them.

And independents are consistently polling 10+ points higher for Romney. That, along with women breaking even, isn't good for Obama.

In the meantime, the Democrats are working the busses overtime in Ohio in sheer panic. Running as many college kids and minorities to the early polls as they can.
 
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