Is there anyone on this forum that is undecided?

[TheNextEra]

I was undecided until last Friday between not voting and Gary Johnson. I voted Gary Johnson.

When the GOP and Dems become serious about actually doing something productive for this country instead of fighting over who gets the split of governmnet cheese to spend, maybe the country will improve. Until then, the choice is between a train going off the cliff or going off the cliff faster. Not reasonable enough for me to vote for either Romney or Obama.

I have stated numerous times, no matter if Romney or Obama wins, the country loses.

 

[AdamT]

I'm undecided. I can't decide if I should vote for Obama 15 times or 20 times.

 

[zimmer]

Zimmer...thank you for keeping it civil and not resorting to the flaming and name calling that other conservatives on this board do. I appreciate you taking the time to point out the reasons you believe Romney is the better choice. Right now....I have misgivings towards both candidates...some days I'm leaning Romney and some days I'm leaning Obama.....and the only thing the debates showed to me is that both are equally talented in railroading topics while never directly answering specific questions.

Straykatz,
I'm pretty good at flaming when I see a lost cause. I figure a jolt is the only way to move them. I don't just flame but provide info too. Most of it is lost time (that's why I stopped posting for a year until a couple weeks ago) but you never know if something someone reads can at least begin the machinery working in their quieter moments of reflection.

I'm probably intolerant that way because I used to be a hard left Lib. BooRadley and his ilk had nothing on me. Nothing. It took about a decade to expunge it all, and I wasn't looking to expunge, just look for the greatest good for the greatest number. I was fortunate in a couple ways. I kept an open mind, I lived the Carter/Reagan transition, and I traveled the world (born traveling really) and as a very young adult traveled the world due to the talents I possess. I saw a lot and was fortunate to run into a lot of business people; first in Scandinavia, then Central Europe, then Eastern Europe. I also spent a number of years in Canada. Many of these people explained the burdens of government on their businesses... and this combination over many years is why I have little patience for some folks. Government is the problem... and the more they intrude, the bigger the problem.

An interesting aside, and this took the most time. As a hard left Lib I was an advocate of socialist healthcare... I even assisted a Swedish buddy write a paper on it at school. One member of my family who is pretty bright and Conservative (the only one) tried to explain why it is an awful direction. I didn't listen... but years later I turned. He was right. That was the last bit of socialism I clung to, and since then haven't looked back. Conservatism came to me because I kept an open mind.

Nothing has caused me to "rerat" to steal a term from Winston Churchill, and I am exposed to a fair bit of socialist propaganda on a daily basis. I do reflect, but I also scream at the radio... watching TV is difficult. Where I'm at today... it's hard to escape. It wasn't a choice as a whim, it wasn't a choice for any other reason than being a good, informed citizen.

Good luck with your struggle.

 

[JRog]

filling his head with things that make him question.

AKA, facts and education.

 

[Navy Pride]

With all due respect to my fellow Americans, I can't believe anyone is undercided at this point. It amazes me.

I believe someone could be undecided but they are not a member of DP.

 

[JRog]

Please vote for Romney.. you can vote against him in 4 years if he doesnt do a good job...but please we need to remove Obama..

Isn't the conservative argument that Obama has done a great deal of damage in his 4 years? Why are you downplaying the possible effects of Romney doing a bad job?

Bottom line is, the next president will likely put 2 supreme court justices on the bench. The effects of that will last a lot longer than 4 years.

 

[Navy Pride]

I'm undecided. I can't decide if I should vote for Obama 15 times or 20 times.

That is the problem because that is what you on the left do.

 

[rocket88]

I've decided that I'm not voting for either Obama or Romney. I haven't decided who I will vote for. Leaning toward Johnson, though I disagree with him on some issues. Since he won't get elected anyway, I'm not sure it makes a difference.

 

[Fisher]

No vote, or a vote elsewhere is a vote for Obama.
You want four more years of what we've had... then don't vote for Romney.

No it isn't. It is just one less vote for his opposition. It will not add or take away one vote from Obama. His numbers will be what they will be regardless of what I do.

 

[zimmer]

No it isn't. It is just one less vote for his opposition. It will not add or take away one vote from Obama. His numbers will be what they will be regardless of what I do.

Tell that to Algore who didn't win FL (check all the media vote counting after the election) but thought he won FL. He may have carried the state if thousands of voters of your kind voted for him.

How scary would that have been?

 

[specklebang]

VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN

OK, it's official. I am no longer eligible to post in this thread. Stein didn't make the ballot so Gary Johnson is now officially the new President Of The United States.

((my votes are always the deciding votes in any election))

 

[Fisher]

Tell that to Algore who didn't win FL (check all the media vote counting after the election) but thought he won FL. He may have carried the state if thousands of voters of your kind voted for him.

How scary would that have been?

Insurance salesman scare tactics don't work with me. Sorry. I control my vote and I am not going to subordinate it to the way others are voting one way or the other. Even if I knew my vote would be the one that determined the whole thing, I am not going to vote any differently than if it were a blowout and my vote did not affect the outcome at all.

 

[zimmer]

Insurance salesman scare tactics don't work with me. Sorry. I control my vote and I am not going to subordinate it to the way others are voting one way or the other. Even if I knew my vote would be the one that determined the whole thing, I am not going to vote any differently than if it were a blowout and my vote did not affect the outcome at all.

It's reality whether you like it or not.

It's your vote... do with it as you like or dislike... but at a minimum... face reality.

 

[zimmer]

VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN

 

[disneydude]

Isn't the conservative argument that Obama has done a great deal of damage in his 4 years? Why are you downplaying the possible effects of Romney doing a bad job?

Bottom line is, the next president will likely put 2 supreme court justices on the bench. The effects of that will last a lot longer than 4 years.

EXACTLY.....anyone who does not want our Supreme Court to be taken over by right-wing activists set out to enact the right-wing's radical social agenda should not vote for Romney. Romney's appointees will take away a woman's right to choice, will set civil rights issues back to the 1950's and will rule in favor of corporations over people time and time again.

This ALONE is enough of a reason to vote for Obama.

 

[Bobcat]

Your valuation of my vote happens to not coincide with my evaluation. You consider my vote worthless, I consider it valuable.

Will my vote be valuable only if I vote for Obama?

The thread is about UNDECIDED voters. I thought my response was appropriate.

I don't drink alcohol so even that option is not available.

if you want to cast a protest vote, go right ahead, my point was that it was not have any affect on who is the next president

 

[Bobcat]

Isn't the conservative argument that Obama has done a great deal of damage in his 4 years? Why are you downplaying the possible effects of Romney doing a bad job?

Bottom line is, the next president will likely put 2 supreme court justices on the bench. The effects of that will last a lot longer than 4 years.

thats correct, we do not need more kagans and sotomayors. two liberals lesbians is enough. obama met the quota for SCOTUS, now lets put some real judges on the court.

 

[Fisher]

It's reality whether you like it or not.

It's your vote... do with it as you like or dislike... but at a minimum... face reality.

Perhaps you could also face the reality that a wealthy bucket of spit bought the GOP nomination, not my vote......if I do decide to vote for Romney, it will be for some reason other than his last name not beginning with a vowel.....

 

[Bobcat]

I've decided that I'm not voting for either Obama or Romney. I haven't decided who I will vote for. Leaning toward Johnson, though I disagree with him on some issues. Since he won't get elected anyway, I'm not sure it makes a difference.

kinda like pissing into the wind and asking if its raining.

 

[TurtleDude]

thats correct, we do not need more kagans and sotomayors. two liberals lesbians is enough. obama met the quota for SCOTUS, now lets put some real judges on the court.

yes, lesbians are way overrepresented on the court. Protestant straight females have ZERO representation on the court. Indeed there are no protestants on the court IIRC

 

[Bobcat]

EXACTLY.....anyone who does not want our Supreme Court to be taken over by right-wing activists set out to enact the right-wing's radical social agenda should not vote for Romney. Romney's appointees will take away a woman's right to choice, will set civil rights issues back to the 1950's and will rule in favor of corporations over people time and time again.

This ALONE is enough of a reason to vote for Obama.

thats just ridiculous. Oh, and here we go with the evil corporations again. tell me, are GM and GE evil?

 

[Bobcat]

yes, lesbians are way overrepresented on the court. Protestant straight females have ZERO representation on the court. Indeed there are no protestants on the court IIRC

don't you know that all protestants are Bible thumping snake handling morons?

 

[disneydude]

thats just ridiculous. Oh, and here we go with the evil corporations again. tell me, are GM and GE evil?

I never said that they are inherently evil. However, when it comes to legal issues involving individuals against corporations, Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas side with the Corporation in virtually every case. Remember....Romney HIMSELF said "Corporations are people my friends". We don't need another corporatist on the Supreme Court that moves to squash the rights of the people in favor of big corporations. THAT is precisely what will happen if Romney gets that chance.

 

[zimmer]

Perhaps you could also face the reality that a wealthy bucket of spit bought the GOP nomination, not my vote......if I do decide to vote for Romney, it will be for some reason other than his last name not beginning with a vowel.....

Romney wasn't my choice, but I'll happily support a guy who knows how to get the economy going and will work to end ObamaKare. I also like his VP pick.

A lot of people didn't think much of Reagan, and he did great things for the country.

Perot screwed things up some, by allowing Clinton to sneak in... but Obama is no Clinton. Clinton was at least pragmatic and had Morris figure out what he could triangulate from Republicans to survive. Obama is like BooRadley or Muddy Creek.

I can't imagine four more years of Obama "fundamentally changing America".

 

[Bobcat]

I never said that they are inherently evil. However, when it comes to legal issues involving individuals against corporations, Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas side with the Corporation in virtually every case. Remember....Romney HIMSELF said "Corporations are people my friends". We don't need another corporatist on the Supreme Court that moves to squash the rights of the people in favor of big corporations. THAT is precisely what will happen if Romney gets that chance.

the sky is falling disneydude, everybody run for the hills, the corporations are going to eat your kids.

in legal terms corporations are considered to be "persons" that is so you can sue them and to protect their employees and shareholders if you win. Romney was correct.