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Romenys camp says he still supports Mourdock

disneydude said:
So which is it then Zyph....should we take Romney at his word? Or do you think he is a flip-flopper with no core principles that we should never trust?
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Oh look...Disney is once again attempting to divert from my actual point concerning his inept debate argument. Shocker I tell you, shockre.

Nope, you shouldn't take any politician strictly at their word. You should make a judgement of what they're likely going to ATTEMPT to do based on what the various things they say, a reasoned understanding of the context of when/where they say it, their past actions and history, and the apparent factors that motivates their decisions.

I never suggested Mitt Romney doesn't have core principles...I simply think he doesn't have a singificant amount of staunchly ideological core principles regarding specific policy issues.

So I've repeatedly and routinely responded to the things you're saying in your ridiculous attempts to dance around and divert from my initial point regarding your inconsistent, hyper partisan, fear mongering initial point. Are you ever actually going to comment and deal with that, or just going to try and dance around and avoid it while trying to change the focus?
 
disneydude said:
So which is it then Zyph....should we take Romney at his word? Or do you think he is a flip-flopper with no core principles that we should never trust?
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Hey Disney...when you're tired of dancing, deflecting, and diverting from your ineptness thus far in this debate, I'm still anxiously awaiting you to actually ever answer a question

Zyphlin said:
Where has he stated he'd appoint "severely" conservative judges to the Surpeme Court. Where has he said that Mourdock is the example of the ONLY type of person he'd appoint to the supreme court? At best you can make a suggestion that he MIGHT nominate someone SIMIALR to this...but I'll welcome you to show me a line stating specifically that he'd only nominate individuals "Exactly" like this that are "right wing extremists".
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VanceMack said:
As would I but thats still a chicken**** response from someone that is critical of another for actually daring to have a belief and cant even bring himself to define his own position.
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I told you what my position is. Since I am a man, I would have no say in it. It is completely up to the woman. Period.
 
American said:
As long as she chooses to abort.
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No. If she chose to have the child, that would be great. Whatever she is personally comfortable with and/or believes is the right decision for her.
 
Zyphlin said:
...I simply think he doesn't have a singificant amount of staunchly ideological core principles regarding specific policy issues.
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So basically.....nobody really knows where Romney stands on specific policy issues because he doesn't have a significant amount of staunchly ideological core principles. I would say that this is essentially akin to saying that you can't really trust the guy.....but you are free to call it whatever you want.
 
Zyphlin said:
Hey Disney...when you're tired of dancing, deflecting, and diverting from your ineptness thus far in this debate, I'm still anxiously awaiting you to actually ever answer a question
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BTW Zyph.....here is Romney talking about the type of judges who he will appoint.

Who would Romney appoint to Supreme Court?

We don't need anymore activists like Alito, Scalia and Thomas on the bench.
 
disneydude said:
I told you what my position is. Since I am a man, I would have no say in it. It is completely up to the woman. Period.
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You have no opinion on the slaughter of unborn children? Fantastic. And you feel somehow superior and justified in attacking someone that believes that the life of a child...yes even the life of a child created during a rape, is of value and that said someone dares to state that to be the case. Funny...Im betting there are...oh...I dont know...if the numbers are right, somewhere around 20-25k children worldwide that might even feel a little bit gratified to know that some people find them of value-yes...maybe even a blessing. Ive read commentary from many of the mothers that describe them as joy, a blessing, and when they look at those children see unimaginable love.
 
disneydude said:
No. If she chose to have the child, that would be great. Whatever she is personally comfortable with and/or believes is the right decision for her.
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Might the mother even view that child as 'a blessing', and a child to be loved, cherished, treasured?
 
VanceMack said:
Might the mother even view that child as 'a blessing', and a child to be loved, cherished, treasured?
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Absolutely and I support her decision if that is what she decides.....and I would hope and pray that her child grows up to provide her much love and support.
 
VanceMack said:
You have no opinion on the slaughter of unborn children? Fantastic. And you feel somehow superior and justified in attacking someone that believes that the life of a child...yes even the life of a child created during a rape, is of value and that said someone dares to state that to be the case. Funny...Im betting there are...oh...I dont know...if the numbers are right, somewhere around 20-25k children worldwide that might even feel a little bit gratified to know that some people find them of value-yes...maybe even a blessing. Ive read commentary from many of the mothers that describe them as joy, a blessing, and when they look at those children see unimaginable love.
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I have no opinion as to any individual case. Do I have a "personal" feeling about abortion? Absolutely. Personally, I am against it. If my daughter or friend ever came to me and asked my advice I would tell them that I would always choose life over abortion. However, I would also say that as a male, it is very EASY for me to say this and I would say that it is up to each individual person to make the decision for themselves. I would say especially in the case of RAPE....that the choice they make has to be something that they are comfortable with and that I would not ever think that I could place myself in their shoes to make that decision. I would love and support them in whatever decision that they made and my feelings about them as a person would not change regardless of their decision.
 
disneydude said:
I have no opinion as to any individual case. Do I have a "personal" feeling about abortion? Absolutely. Personally, I am against it. If my daughter or friend ever came to me and asked my advice I would tell them that I would always choose life over abortion. However, I would also say that as a male, it is very EASY for me to say this and I would say that it is up to each individual person to make the decision for themselves. I would say especially in the case of RAPE....that the choice they make has to be something that they are comfortable with and that I would not ever think that I could place myself in their shoes to make that decision. I would love and support them in whatever decision that they made and my feelings about them as a person would not change regardless of their decision.
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So with that position (one that is actually very close to my own) then what could you POSSIBLY object to with regard to the candidates position on the child being a blessing from God?

Abortion as a political position annoys me to no end because at the end of the day the VAST majority of people that talk about it dont give a **** about it. The individual in question didnt imply in any way shape or form that God cause, was happy about or sanctioned the instance of rape. He stated that should a child result from the horrible act, that the child should still be seen as a blessing...as ALL children should. The difference between your position and his is that the unborn child should not be slaughtered. That is the SAME position as yours...that it SHOULD not be (the difference between your position and his being that HE would protect it and you would not).
 
VanceMack said:
So with that position (one that is actually very close to my own) then what could you POSSIBLY object to with regard to the candidates position on the child being a blessing from God?

Abortion as a political position annoys me to no end because at the end of the day the VAST majority of people that talk about it dont give a **** about it. The individual in question didnt imply in any way shape or form that God cause, was happy about or sanctioned the instance of rape. He stated that should a child result from the horrible act, that the child should still be seen as a blessing...as ALL children should. The difference between your position and his is that the unborn child should not be slaughtered. That is the SAME position as yours...that it SHOULD not be (the difference between your position and his being that HE would protect it and you would not).
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Because it is not his CHOICE to try to force a woman who was raped to bear the child. Period. His position and my position couldn't be any more opposite. If men like him are put into positions of power, they will do everything in that power to impose the radical right-wing social agenda on every man and woman in this country.
 
disneydude said:
Absolutely and I support her decision if that is what she decides.....and I would hope and pray that her child grows up to provide her much love and support.
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That makes you...Mourdock. And while I am sure many democrats will hate you, I think you can take comfort knowing Romney has your back.
 
disneydude said:
Because it is not his CHOICE to try to force a woman who was raped to bear the child. Period. His position and my position couldn't be any more opposite. If men like him are put into positions of power, they will do everything in that power to impose the radical right-wing social agenda on every man and woman in this country.
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He DISAGREES. And I disagree with him, for different reasons. But at least I respect his belief that all life is sacred and his willingness to stand for it, as opposed to those that say "well...PERSONALLY I believe it is 'wrong'...buuuuuut....its not for me to say"
 
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VanceMack said:
That makes you...Mourdock. And while I am sure many democrats will hate you, I think you can take comfort knowing Romney has your back.
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No it doesn't. Mourdock would have it so that women wouldn't have the choice. Romney as well.
 
I still don't think you've explained why or how anyone could pretend to be offended here, let alone why support should be withdrawn or apology issued.

It does not "go without saying" if that's what you're thinking.

If you're going to make hay, it helps if there's some grass around.
 
disneydude said:
Because it is not his CHOICE to try to force a woman who was raped to bear the child. Period. His position and my position couldn't be any more opposite. If men like him are put into positions of power, they will do everything in that power to impose the radical right-wing social agenda on every man and woman in this country.
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This is the primary reason I'm struggling to make a decision as to who gets my vote.....the right are not in line with my beliefs and values....they are too extreme....it's all or nothing for them.....Romeny's VP choice is holding me back....while some think picking Ryan was a good thing...I think it is bad and it clearly shows me the direction they want to take this country and I'm not prepared to go backwards......on the other hand....Obama has struggled to lift us out of this struggling economy....granted...he inherited a mess (I doubt any president would have done better with what he had to work with)......and I'll give him credit for keeping us afloat while other world economies are collapsing.....but he is doomed with a congress who's primary agenda is to get rid of him.
 
JayDubya said:
I still don't think you've explained why or how anyone could pretend to be offended here, let alone why support should be withdrawn or apology issued.

It does not "go without saying" if that's what you're thinking.

If you're going to make hay, it helps if there's some grass around.
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I don't believe Murdock should be expected to apologize for his beliefs......however.....Romney needs to step up and assure this country that these are not his beliefs.....that is where he is failing because ignoring press questions is only confirming to women that he does agree with Murdock....women are seeing this!
 
disneydude said:
Pay attention clownboy. Have you even been following along? The platform committee removed all exceptions from the platform and it was ratified. The GOP platform calls for ZERO EXCEPTIONS to abortion....not rape, not incest, not the life of the mother.....ZERO!
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You said it is part of the platform, I posted the link to the platform, you even tried to get away with just posting the part of the platform about abortion - and it wasn't there. Now you're saying it was removed from the platform, but is somehow still there.

Again, you're wrong, and have failed to show where "no exceptions" is part of the GOP platform.

I see that fact won't keep you from continuing to lie about it though.
 
straykatz said:
I don't believe Murdock should be expected to apologize for his beliefs......however.....Romney needs to step up and assure this country that these are not his beliefs.....that is where he is failing because ignoring press questions is only confirming to women that he does agree with Murdock....women are seeing this!
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Romney did clearly state that those are not his beliefs and he was quite clear about it. Part of why I'd rather someone more serious about protecting human rights be our next President, but hey, better him than Obama.
 
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straykatz said:
I don't believe Murdock should be expected to apologize for his beliefs......however.....Romney needs to step up and assure this country that these are not his beliefs.....that is where he is failing because ignoring press questions is only confirming to women that he does agree with Murdock....women are seeing this!
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He doesn't have to do any such thing. Do you believe that Barack Obama agrees with every word that comes out of the mouth of every Democrat?

Women aren't "seeing" anything, which is why Obama's 16 point advantage with women that he held for so long is now gone.
 
disneydude said:
No it doesn't. Mourdock would have it so that women wouldn't have the choice. Romney as well.
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You believe it is 'wrong' and lack the conviction to stand behind your beliefs. 'They' win that little test of character.
 
VanceMack said:
You believe it is 'wrong' and lack the conviction to stand behind your beliefs. 'They' win that little test of character.
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it is no sign of 'character' to deprive women of the ability to deal with their own bodies
 
justabubba said:
it is no sign of 'character' to deprive women of the ability to deal with their own bodies
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It is a lack of character...amongst other things...to believe something is wrong and not have the balls to stand behind your belief. Sorry bubba...thats just a reality.
 
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