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Democratic congressman's son discusses how to commit voter fraud...

AdamT said:
Exposed ACORN! :lamo

Moran's son was an idiot for even entertaining the conversation, but O'Keefe is about the biggest dirtbag imaginable.
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That may be true, but you know the old saying, "When you can't dispute the facts, attack the source." Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ;)
 
Is a utility bill enough to get registered? Do the BoE's have a validation process?
 
MaggieD said:
That may be true, but you know the old saying, "When you can't dispute the facts, attack the source." Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ;)
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Except when the source has been proven many times over to present doctored and highly misleading video footage, one might, or rather should, be embarrassed to present his latest and greatest "sting" as if it's compelling evidence of anything. Each of his previous bull**** attack videos has been debunked, but in each case it took some time and investigation to put the lie to them.
 
MaggieD said:
That may be true, but you know the old saying, "When you can't dispute the facts, attack the source." Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. ;)
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Your source is a criminal who has a history of fraudulent videos used for improper political puroses.

And you actually cited him!

And since you are still claiming that ACORN was "exposed" by O'Keefe, when in fact ACORN was exonerated after it was found O'Keefe had doctored the tape, not only does O'Keefe have no credibility, neither do you.

Why do you keep repeating rightwing lies?
 
AdamT said:
Except when the source has been proven many times over to present doctored and highly misleading video footage, one might, or rather should, be embarrassed to present his latest and greatest "sting" as if it's compelling evidence of anything. Each of his previous bull**** attack videos has been debunked, but in each case it took some time and investigation to put the lie to them.
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Maybe it will be proven untrue. That doesn't mean it needs to be ignored until then.

head of joaquin said:
Your source is a criminal who has a history of fraudulent videos used for improper political puroses.

And you actually cited him!
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Why don't you actually make a contribution to the discussion by posting up information about these fraudulent videos so we can learn something instead of attacking me and the source? That BWAHAHAHAHAHA'ing you do must get rather painful.
 
Voter fraud is incredibly easy within the polling place. I was an election judge in one primary and I could have cast hundreds of votes myself with no chance of getting caught. Just cast votes in the name of people who didn't myself. Even if it later determined people who supposedly voted had not, they would have no way of know which votes those were (so the vote count would stand) nor any way to prove who did.

THAT voting fraud is NEVER discussed because at the local level BOTH parties want it. Instead they only talk about IDs and outsiders coming in to vote. Election judges typically are extraordinarily partisan and, if any want, can make their candidates win their voting location by massive majorities.

PS. that guy should be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit voter fraud.
 
MaggieD said:
Maybe it will be proven untrue. That doesn't mean it needs to be ignored until then.
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I would say just the opposite. It should be discounted until it's been looked into a verified.
 
AdamT said:
I would say just the opposite. It should be discounted until it's been looked into a verified.
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In this instance, how would one do that? Do you believe it was doctored? Did you watch it? It seems clear to me that it was a straight-on video of events as they unfolded. What do you think?
 
MaggieD said:
In this instance, how would one do that? Do you believe it was doctored? Did you watch it? It seems clear to me that it was a straight-on video of events as they unfolded. What do you think?
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It IS an O'Keefe film. I trust him about as far as I can throw his car.
 
AdamT said:
Moran's son was an idiot for even entertaining the conversation, but O'Keefe is about the biggest dirtbag imaginable.
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I take it you haven't met Moran, Sr.? Or Obama? Or Harry Reid?
 
MaggieD said:
In this instance, how would one do that? Do you believe it was doctored? Did you watch it? It seems clear to me that it was a straight-on video of events as they unfolded. What do you think?
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All of his videos look credible on first viewing. It's only when people investigate that they discover that he manipulated the footage and events to make it look like something happened that didn't really happen. He's good at what he does, which is character assassination.
 
MaggieD said:


Go to 8:38 for the full unedited video.

There's a part of me that thinks this is pretty sneaky. But what would your reaction be as a full-time employee of your dad's campaign? Mine would be to run 60 mph in the opposite direction.

(He even tells the reporter that if his forgeries look good enough, one of their attorneys will defend him if he's caught.)
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you had to know somebody was gonna do it
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head of joaquin said:
Maggie's "source".

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No wonder only teabaggers and pimps take conservatives seriously any more.
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I hate to have to say this again, but how about you address the video instead of attacking the source?

If you believe there is anything fishy or unclear with the video, that's a legitimate beef... But attacking O'Keefe's credibility is BS, because he isn't asking you to believe him, but rather your own 2 ears and eyes.
 
MaggieD said:


Go to 8:38 for the full unedited video.

There's a part of me that thinks this is pretty sneaky. But what would your reaction be as a full-time employee of your dad's campaign? Mine would be to run 60 mph in the opposite direction.

(He even tells the reporter that if his forgeries look good enough, one of their attorneys will defend him if he's caught.)
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I hope James O'Keefe lives a long healthy life.
 
head of joaquin said:
Yes, your conservative source is only a common criminal. Good point!
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So I guess that means that 1000's of Obama supporting OCCUPY protesters are also "common criminals" too. So is anyone who has ever been guilty of trespassing, disturbing the peace, smoking too close to a public building or even jaywalking...

Aren't you glad there's an unedited video available so you don't have to take that "criminals" word for it?
 
head of joaquin said:
Yes, your conservative source is only a common criminal. Good point!
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the enemy of my enemy is my friend

i don't care what he is if he is legitimately muckraking those in positions of power and authority
 
Lutherf said:
Well, apparently it was credible enough to get a resignation from the idiot. Rep. Jim Moran's Son Resigns Over James O'Keefe Video | TPM LiveWire
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I have to give the campaign credit for taking action immediately, and for the statement itself they put out:

Patrick is well liked and was a well-respected member of the campaign team. This incident, however, was clearly an error in judgment. The campaign has accepted Patrick’s resignation, effective immediately.​


They owned up to it and didn't attack O'Keefe or try to deny what went down... Classy move on their part... It doesn't however, change how dishonest and despicable his actions were, or diminish how badly this reflects not only on the democrats, but on the integrity of our political process.
 
Grim17 said:
I have to give the campaign credit for taking action immediately, and for the statement itself they put out:

Patrick is well liked and was a well-respected member of the campaign team. This incident, however, was clearly an error in judgment. The campaign has accepted Patrick’s resignation, effective immediately.​


They owned up to it and didn't attack O'Keefe or try to deny what went down... Classy move on their part... It doesn't however, change how dishonest and despicable his actions were, or diminish how badly this reflects not only on the democrats, but on the integrity of our political process.
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Yeah, they did the right thing, idiot included. Admittedly, he got punked but it never would have happened if the idiot had the proper character to begin with.
 
MaggieD said:
Yeah, he's also the one who exposed ACORN. Damn him!

You may be talking about the misdemeanor he pled to in which the government admitted they had no evidence? Yeah, that's prolly it. Good try, though.
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He's the one who literally framed ACORN. That edited video? It was the ACORN video. Cutting and pasting audio, even. Holy **** how do people still not know this?
 
Deuce said:
He's the one who literally framed ACORN. That edited video? It was the ACORN video. Cutting and pasting audio, even. Holy **** how do people still not know this?
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NEVADA VOTER FRAUD LAW UPHELD, ACORN CONVICTION SUSTAINED Nevada Voter Fraud Law Upheld, ACORN Conviction Sustained

18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud Read more: 18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud | Fox News

ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada Read more: ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada | Fox News

Hardly framed innocents...


Besides, look above. The Congressman's son has resigned. My guess is he resigned so the press would stop digging. Yours?
 
MaggieD said:


Go to 8:38 for the full unedited video.

There's a part of me that thinks this is pretty sneaky. But what would your reaction be as a full-time employee of your dad's campaign? Mine would be to run 60 mph in the opposite direction.

(He even tells the reporter that if his forgeries look good enough, one of their attorneys will defend him if he's caught.)
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Patrick Moran was an idiot for discussing the subject and rightly is no longer part of his dad's campaign. That said, the video shows how hard it would be to pull this off. And James O'keefe shows how stupid it is to even try.... the penalties are high. (that's why his videographers never sign at the polling places)
 

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Diogenes said:
I certainly would not want my name associated with that campaign. I suppose nothing will come of this, because he is a Democrat.
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And Dems of course are in tight with the police and all law enforcement so the conspiracy is all laid out?
 
pbrauer said:
Patrick Moran was an idiot for discussing the subject and rightly is no longer part of his dad's campaign. That said, the video shows how hard it would be to pull this off. And James O'keefe shows how stupid it is to even try.... the penalties are high. (that's why his videographers never sign at the polling places)
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He was. Proper response was, "Are you ****in' nutz? GTF out of here." I think, though, that he'll be lucky if this doesn't get legs and people (reporters) start investigating to see if they can dig up any fraud. It's obvious to me that this guy didn't like being questioned. He should have opened his mouth. Ah. Youth. But, if I'm not mistaken it was his idea re the water bills . . . that, in itself, is a little eyebrow raising, imo.
 
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