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Luntz focus group sums up debate

Posturing and bluff has collided with real world experience and success. The left is crying.
 
AdamT said:
You mean Republican pollster and consultant Frank Luntz? :roll:

That would be like James Carville doing a focus group.
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I have met Frank and hes a cool dude.. and certainly not a partisan... I happen to just bump into him at a resteraunts boat dock... not a handsome man... LOL.. he did very for himself as far as his girlfriend that night..LOL..
 
X Factor said:
To be fair, there are plenty of liberals who claimed months ago, and still do, that Romney never even had a chance. Shoot, you got Tetereun over there claiming that believing Romney could win is tantamount, basically, to insanity. Lol.
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And they had the ridiculousness of their position pointed out to them. Just to be fair....
 
Grim17 said:
Don't kid yourself... Most Obama supporters didn't watch and won't watch the video. They will just pretend they did as an excuse to launch an attack on Luntz... It's just what many of them do... They can't help it.


Meanwhile, here's the MSNBC focus group:

MSNBC Focus Group Of Undecided Voters Reacts To Third Debate | RealClearPolitics
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You still have not explained how a group of people in a small area of a state that is unlikely to determine the outcome of the election shows that one candidate is going to win the national election.
 
X Factor said:
To be fair, there are plenty of liberals who claimed months ago, and still do, that Romney never even had a chance. Shoot, you got Tetereun over there claiming that believing Romney could win is tantamount, basically, to insanity. Lol.
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Thank God that we can always count on you to say "liberals did it too" in the interest of fairness. Lol.
 
Bobcat said:
So Luntz is the leader of a right wing conspiracy to lie and undermine obama? is that it, Adam?
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Luntz is a paid Republican spin doctor. "In 2000 he was censured by the National Council on Public Polls 'for allegedly mischaracterizing on MSNBC the results of focus groups he conducted during the [2000] Republican Convention.'"
 
Redress said:
You still have not explained how a group of people in a small area of a state that is unlikely to determine the outcome of the election shows that one candidate is going to win the national election.
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Well Red, that is just silly. No one has said that Luntz's little dog and pony show is going to effect the election, in fact I don't think if you asked him that HE would say such! So nice strawman there.

What it does show is interesting in the aspect that it is a snapshot of people at that place that viewed the debate. Also that a good number of them were demo's that voted Obama in '08, so I think the shine is coming off the Messiah.
 
Dusty Rhodes said:
Oh my, that's too funny. Someone still using wikipedia on a political forum. Must be a liberal.
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Your complete lack of sourcing is so much more impressive. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
Luntz is a paid Republican spin doctor. "In 2000 he was censured by the National Council on Public Polls 'for allegedly mischaracterizing on MSNBC the results of focus groups he conducted during the [2000] Republican Convention.'"
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Attack the messenger? A little desperate I see.
 
AdamT said:
Luntz is a paid Republican spin doctor. "In 2000 he was censured by the National Council on Public Polls 'for allegedly mischaracterizing on MSNBC the results of focus groups he conducted during the [2000] Republican Convention.'"
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wrong.. ...
 
Further to that:

Pollster and political strategist Frank Luntz, one of the chief architects of the Republican's 1994 "Contract With America," has been formally rebuked by the country's leading professional polling association. The executive council of the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) criticized Luntz for refusing to disclose the wording of poll questions and other details about surveys he conducted in 1994 for the Republican Party.

Republican Strategist Luntz Censured By Pollsters for '94 Campaign Survey; Group Criticizes Nonmember for Refusing to Disclose Questions - The Washington Post | HighBeam Research
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Redress said:
You still have not explained how a group of people in a small area of a state that is unlikely to determine the outcome of the election shows that one candidate is going to win the national election.
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Listen... Really listen to their words... It's the same in all of them. This election comes down to the economy and jobs, and Obama has failed in the eyes of many of the very people who supported him in 2008. It was up to Romney to convince voters he was a valid choice and he accomplished that, so I believe he will now win this election.

It's just my opinion and I could be totally off-base here... But I don't think so.
 
AdamT said:
Just denying reality isn't an argument.
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then why do you keep trying to use that tactic? if you are aware that it wont work..
 
Grim17 said:
I think these people are a pretty good representation of America and although it was never said, they tell me that Romney is going to win this election.

Frank Luntz Focus Group On Third Presidential Debate | RealClearPolitics
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j-mac said:
Well Red, that is just silly. No one has said that Luntz's little dog and pony show is going to effect the election, in fact I don't think if you asked him that HE would say such! So nice strawman there.

What it does show is interesting in the aspect that it is a snapshot of people at that place that viewed the debate. Also that a good number of them were demo's that voted Obama in '08, so I think the shine is coming off the Messiah.
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SO in fact you did say that this was going to predict the outcome of the race, despite the fact that it won't. Nice try, but your own words argue against you. No straw man, but an effective destruction of your OP.
 
Grim17 said:
Listen... Really listen to their words... It's the same in all of them. This election comes down to the economy and jobs, and Obama has failed in the eyes of many of the very people who supported him in 2008. It was up to Romney to convince voters he was a valid choice and he accomplished that, so I believe he will now win this election.

It's just my opinion and I could be totally off-base here... But I don't think so.
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If it is about the economy, then why are you using a reaction to a foreign policy debate to predict election results?
 
Travis007 said:
I have met Frank and hes a cool dude.. and certainly not a partisan... I happen to just bump into him at a resteraunts boat dock... not a handsome man... LOL.. he did very for himself as far as his girlfriend that night..LOL..
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Oh yeah? What kind of car does he drive? Can he rap too?

:lol:
 
AdamT said:
Be serious, man. Listening to the comments, those people sound like actors reading a script.
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When you're not used to listening to real people, I can see where you'd think that. Got any MSNBC focus groups that say differently?
 
Redress said:
If it is about the economy, then why are you using a reaction to a foreign policy debate to predict election results?
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You are right about one thing here....Last nights debate didn't make one iota of difference...Romney is still the man to beat, and Obama doesn't have the chops.
 
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