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Proof Matthews is a clown

As a statement of fact, white supremacists hate Obama because he is black. These people have existed at the fringes of society and, most likely, will continue to exist. So, as long as they do exist, I guess you think that you should be able to project what a few nutbags on the fringe think onto Conservatives in general?

This is the oldest, stalest, lamest tactic in the progressive playbook. And it's so DAMNED ironic that the very people who still use it see themselves as "enlightened".

Could you quote where I said that the reason all or even most conservatives hate the President is because of race?
 
Oh look, the guy who brags about his "debate" talents in college creates and attacks a strawman...yet again.

Please...show us who is suggesting in this thread that there is not opposition to Obama because of his race?

I see people suggesting that there was race baiting going on...and I see people suggesting someone who actually made an absolute statement that those who don't have specific policy issues they can cite must hate him becuaes of his race...but I see NO ONE suggesting that there is 0 opposition to Obama because of race.

Well...I should say, I see no one suggesting that OTHER than you through your creation of a strawman.

this was my opening post in this thread - #13 -

So I guess there is no hatred of Obama and none of it is based on race?

And even you admitted the reality of it before you saw fit to attack me personally by bringing up my formal collegiate debate experience and trying to be a smart aleck by impugning it.

So the real question is why are you attacking me personally after you first said this?

Sure, there's some based on race...I don't doubt that at all.

we both said pretty much the same thing but you have to try and score some sort of points by ridiculing my formal collegiate debate experience.

Why would you go and do that in the form of a personal attack when you already agreed with my basic point?

Why would you do this?
 
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So all the white people who voted for Obama in 2008 were not racists, but now all the white people who change their votes from Obama to Romney are racist.

Is that how it works or am I mistaken?

That seems to be the line of thought used by some.
 
this was my opening post in this thread - #13 -

And even you admitted the reality of it before you saw fit to attack me personally by bringing up my formal collegiate debate experience and trying to be a smart ass impugning it.

So the real question is why are you attacking me personally?

Not attacking you personally, I'm attacking your poor debate tactics and routine strawmanning.

Your opening post immedietely postulated a question that was asking something no one in the thread was in any way suggesting. It also happened to come immedietely after a post dealing with the notion of Obama and race not being as big of an issue as someone was making it out to be, which made it appear that you were possibly commenting. You know, since typically people don't make their first response in a thread a question unless that question is aimed at someone in thread or is rhetorical. In either case here, you'd be strawmanning.

It's a pointless rhetorical, because no one was suggesting it. It's a pointless directed question, because no one was suggesting it.
 
Not attacking you personally, I'm attacking your poor debate tactics and routine strawmanning.

Your opening post immedietely postulated a question that was asking something no one in the thread was in any way suggesting. It also happened to come immedietely after a post dealing with the notion of Obama and race not being as big of an issue as someone was making it out to be, which made it appear that you were possibly commenting. You know, since typically people don't make their first response in a thread a question unless that question is aimed at someone in thread or is rhetorical. In either case here, you'd be strawmanning.

It's a pointless rhetorical, because no one was suggesting it. It's a pointless directed question, because no one was suggesting it.

Baloney. Worse. Its yesterdays baloney now headed for the porcelain swirl.

For some reason, you saw fit to go after me for making a statement that you ultimately agreed with. I have my own suspicions why based on past experience here.

And to further your attack on me you saw fit to ridicule that I have formal collegiate debate experience as if to make up for others lack of it.

Threads like this and the responses in them try to walk a careful line of mocking anybody who dare suggest that there is NOT a racist element in the Obama criticism. That was the basis of my statement. And you agreed with it.

So lets knock off the crap about why you attacked me. All of your nonsense about "made it appear" or what I was "possibly" inferring is wild speculation and what you created in the recesses of your own mind.
 
Could you quote where I said that the reason all or even most conservatives hate the President is because of race?
No, I cannot.

But it is worth noting that there is still the need to inject race into the equation. It's kind of like Sandra Fluke getting a full page story in the newspaper even though a total of ten people showed up to hear her speak.
 
No, I cannot.

But it is worth noting that there is still the need to inject race into the equation. It's kind of like Sandra Fluke getting a full page story in the newspaper even though a total of ten people showed up to hear her speak.

Race is part of equation and it matters not who likes it or not, who approves of it or not, or who is willing to stop playing ostrich and admit that it is there or not.

As far as Sandra Fluke - I have no idea what that has to do with this.
 
Race is part of equation and it matters not who likes it or not, who approves of it or not, or who is willing to stop playing ostrich and admit that it is there or not.

As far as Sandra Fluke - I have no idea what that has to do with this.

It's a fairly obvious analogy... and I'm not surprised that you don't get it.
 
So everybody agrees that some of the hatred of Obama is based on the fact that he's a black man. The only disagreement is what percentage of that hatred is based on race. Haymarket never claimed that most of the hatred was based on race, at least from the posts I've read in this thread.
 
So everybody agrees that some of the hatred of Obama is based on the fact that he's a black man. The only disagreement is what percentage of that hatred is based on race. Haymarket never claimed that most of the hatred was based on race, at least from the posts I've read in this thread.
I'll throw this out for you guys to chew on... If Obama is not reelected race WILL be a reason why. It won't be because of racism on the right, though. It will be because of the racism on the left.:shock:
 
Race is part of equation and it matters not who likes it or not, who approves of it or not, or who is willing to stop playing ostrich and admit that it is there or not.

As far as Sandra Fluke - I have no idea what that has to do with this.

Race only matters to those who wish to exploit it and those who go along for the ride.
 
It's a fairly obvious analogy... and I'm not surprised that you don't get it.

I make it a practice to not allow meaningless trivia to take up space in my head.
 
Race only matters to those who wish to exploit it and those who go along for the ride.

Baloney. Race has mattered in this country for hundreds of years. Entire institutions were based on it. You can play ostrich all you want but it is a fact of life that matters to all sorts of people. To pretend otherwise is to be ignorant of American history and the land we live in.
 
Baloney. Race has mattered in this country for hundreds of years. Entire institutions were based on it. You can play ostrich all you want but it is a fact of life that matters to all sorts of people. To pretend otherwise is to be ignorant of American history and the land we live in.

I understand our history very well. As you mentioned, the fact we have institutions dedicated to race only verifies my point. However, I am one of those who has evolved and does not judge people by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Good luck.
 
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I understand our history very well. As you mentioned, the fact we have institutions dedicated to race only verifies my point. However, I am one of those who has evolved and no longer judges people by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Good luck.

Slavery was one of those institutions dedicated around race. Jim Crow segregation was another one.
 
Slavery was one of those institutions dedicated around race. Jim Crow segregation was another one.

Like I said, I am well educated on the history of the USA. Hopefully, everyone can move on and live in the present.
 
WTF happend to him. I used to watch him everyday about 12 years ago. They must put something in the coffee over there at MSNBC that solely turns you into a nutbar.

They've always been this way in their hearts. But now I suppose they believe it's "safe" to reveal their stupidity on air, because they truly believe that the majority of Americans are like them. How? Because the majority of Americans "they know" are like them. Problem is, the percentage of all Americans who are like them is fortunately only about 4%.

These people are committed to the liberal movement, not just Obama. They are committed to abortion, redistribution of wealth, higher taxes, capping private incomes, weakening our military power, growing the size and scope of government, putting oil companies out of business, propping up public unions through mandates, appointing activist judges to the SC. It's not just Obama, it's the entire philosophy behind liberalism.

I'll go on and say it; liberalism is the worst disease in America. In almost every way, shape, and form, it denegrates and destroys traditional American values. Liberalism isn't about freedom, otherwise, they wouldn't be banning sodas in liberal cities. They wouldn't be banning everything "Christian" in society. They wouldn't be mandating that people buy health insurance. Liberalism isn't about individualism either, otherwise, they wouldn't seek solutions through government. Liberalism isn't about capitalism either, otherwise, they wouldn't buy into the "pay your fair share" rhetoric that Karl Marx would get a boner over.

Liberalism is the demise of American culture and politics. There's my opinion. Gone are the days of Democrats. Here to stay are the days of Progressive Socialist Activists who are hell bent on "getting even" with those on their lists: the rich, the oil man, the big business, the tycoon, the industrialist, the fetus, the heterosexual, the caucasion, the corporation, the non-union member, the white majority. Eat up with anger is the left today, and for them, Obama represented a time and opportunity to correct the wrongs of the past, and to get even once and for all with those greedy bastards who have "stolen" America's wealth away from them.
 
Chris Matthews is a disgrace... That asshat actually pulled the race card after tonights debate

Chris Matthews: "Racial Hatred" For Obama Makes Right Want To Get Rid Of Obama | RealClearPolitics

I'm sure your proud of him SB.

Matthews: "And we can go into that about the white working class in the south about looking at these numbers we've been getting the last couple days, about racial hatred, in many cases."

I only watch this guy to get a feel for how anxious the left is about their chances in this election. Based on his degree of anger, I would say the left's anxiety level is an "11" on a scale of 10. (Ten being more anxious/angry for you folks in Rio Linda.) I will certainly sleep better tonight.
 
I'll throw this out for you guys to chew on... If Obama is not reelected race WILL be a reason why. It won't be because of racism on the right, though. It will be because of the racism on the left.:shock:

Perhaps that makes sense to you. What you just said makes no sense in any way shape or form to me. Could you offer some detailed explanation for your final sentence?
 
Like I said, I am well educated on the history of the USA. Hopefully, everyone can move on and live in the present.

Do you subscribe the the theory that what has happened before has no effect on the here and now?
 
Do you subscribe the the theory that what has happened before has no effect on the here and now?

I don't subscribe to Chris Matthews' theory that people who support Romney are racist.
 
Chris Matthews is mentally ill in my humble opinion. I don't say that as an insult. I'm serious.
 
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