Number of debates Obama fell asleep 1, number of debates Obama was awake 2.
LMFAO @ fell asleep at a presidential debate... I still can't get over that...
If he wasn't able to get up for the contest on that date, it shows a major weakness in his inability to prioritize and handle things on the spot that need to be... He went into debate 1 with a seemingly insurmountable leader... and got basically knocked out...
Mike Tyson could've been seen as the greatest heavyweight champion ever... all it took was one chubby night getting knocked around by Buster Douglas
Evander Holyfield could've been seen as the greatest heavyweight champion ever... until he was upset on a bad night by Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis could've been seen as the greatest heavyweight champion ever... all it took was 1 punch from Hassim Rachman
instead, they'll all be seen as great fighters, who let it slip away by not showing up to do what they had to every time...
Obama could've coasted to a second term, and potentially marked a major stamp on history... after 1 epic debate fail that's going to be a decision on the scorecard...
by not showing up at that debate, Obama lost the lead to Romney... and those last two debates were not decisive wins for either candidate, and won't do much to change that...
Lets just say when I flipped to Fox to see their commentary on the 3rd debate, Fox was showing a baseball game.
You may have heard of this small baseball tournament... called "The World Series"... Fox sought out to get the exclusive television rights to show it... FOX was smart to do so, too… if it’s on every other broadcast station, they get the competitive advantage of showing something else… plus, people can switch all over the dial on cable/satellite to skip the debate if they want… I was in Chicago during the debate… most people were watching the Bears game on Monday Night Football on ESPN… not the debate…
Oddly enough people prefer watching sports entertainment rather than two jackasses bicker and brag for an hour and a half… without saying anything new that they haven’t already said on the campaign trail… and manage to squeeze every stump speech response they want to hit into their response no matter what the question is…
Obama clearly came off more knowledgeable on foreign policy than Romney.
I disagree… I think he came off clearly more knowledgeable about his own policy… but was completely fraudulently representing Romney’s policies… and both candidates poked holes in each other’s stands… exchanged barbs… and both of their support groups will claim victory… Nothing new there…
The fact of the matter remains though… People had ranked Obama the overwhelming foreign policy expert as of about 1 month ago… and now it’s a competitive category…
Whereas after the 2nd debate, most people surveyed felt Romney was far better suited to handle the economy… which far more people feel is the most important issue in the election…
So, on the whole, you’d have to give the edge to Romney…
"Governor, we also have less horses and bayonets..." was a great illustration of quality over quantity, and cutting outdated and unnecessary spending.
Only… they are cutting quality as well… and the Navy were the people who are the ones who are requesting more ships…
Psst… Also, Carter made the same comments in his debate with Reagan… More people sided with Reagan in that regard…
One thing I didn't like was Obama dodged the original question when responding to Romney on the question "What would you do if Israel sent you a call saying the boomers are on their way [to Iran]". Missed opportunity to score points, the very simple and correct answer is to first ask Israel why they are sending bombers to Iran. If there was a good reason, such as proof of a immediate threat to Israel's national security from Iran, then support the strike. Otherwise tell Israel to back off or threaten action against Israel, sanctions or even military action, depending on the severity of the attack on Iran and pending proof Iran posed no immediate threat.
Obama also didn't point out that his "apology tour" was regarding a hateful internet video portraying the Muslim prophet Mohammed in derogatory ways, as some viewers may not be following events closely and are not aware.
The reason Obama didn’t score points on either of those issues is because he has no policy—certainly not a winning on anyway, on either of those issues…
Mitt Romney left just as many behind, by failing to point out that the Democratic Party at their convention had been considering a statement that they don’t recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Romney also failed to call out Obama’s comments on Romney’s “trips abroad” by pointing out Obama’s faulty trips abroad where he talked over the British national anthem…
However, Romney did nail him on the apology tour… with the comment “you didn’t go to Israel, and our enemies noticed that”… and describing exactly why he called it an apology tour… in such a way that Obama even saw his own actions as deplorable and tried to change the subject…
Although, as I suspected all along, this has turned out to be less a scorecard and evaluation of the 3 debates… than a liberal partisan’s focus and critique of Obama in the final debate… trying to put his best foot forward…
Any mention of Romney’s good scoring points? Like “Youre right that we need to look forward and not back… I certainly don’t want to go back to the last 4 years”? Or, “I have balanced budgets. I did so for 30 years in business: you have to balance budgets or you’ll disappear. Again I did in Salt Lake, where they were under budget and I got them on budget. I also had the privilege of governing a state, and in my state we balanced the budget all 4 years. The president hasn’t balanced a budget, yet.” Or, where he laid into him about what investments don’t work… or where he told him straight out, I never said I wanted to shut down the auto industry, I never said wanted to send jobs to China, and… “I’m still talking”…
When it came to foreign policy, and especially the military, Romney was a fish out of water. At times he would throw around a few ideological rhetoric around. But when it came to specifics he seemed desperate to catch a draft from Obama to avoid looking stupid and tried to nod along as much as possible. Romney seemed much more comfortable talking about domestic policy and economics, however flawed his beliefs and reasoning may be, at least he had some idea of what he's talking about.
Yes, Romney is more comfortable dealing with domestic policy… and fixing the economy… creating jobs… ya know… the things people want in the president right now…
However, I think there were numerous occasions where Romney proved adept at geopolitical knowledge that escaped the president… as being able to decifer the threat that the obstacle of Russias opposition to us is geopolitically, while also recognizing Iran’s radical nature as a potential threat to security. He also was able to recognize Iran’s lone bastion to getting around economic sanctions is by shipping by way of Syria…
I don’t deny that Obama has 4 years more knowledge and experience in foreign affairs than Romney… but he didn’t look like some master sage on foreign affairs… and Romney has done well enough to highlight the president’s faults in handling the situation in Bengazi, how this trend of violence against the US is spreading throughout the region… and how the president hasn’t had the strong leadership which is a deterrent to that, but rather shown weakness that is being exploited….
Romney has taken what was an 80-20% advantage for Obama to make it a 55-45% advantage for Obama… but being able to articulate his differences with the current foreign policy…
Still… if this election was mostly about foreign policy, I think there really wouldn’t be a big election taking place, and most people would be somewhat happy re-electing Obama… It isn’t though…
This election is about the issues that Washington hasn’t solved over the last 4 years… stalled economy, the unacceptably high unemployment, the awful fiscal situation, the partisan deadlock, the exponential growth in entitlement spending, etc. Romney has been seen as the better candidate to handle those issues…
So if you give Romney the edge 6-4 on the economy, and Obama the edge 6-4 on foreign affairs… being that more people are voting based on the economy… Romney still has the edge… However, I don’t see it 6-4 on the economy… It’s more like 8-2 or 7-3 in favor of Romney in that regard…
Here's my final scores for all 3 debates:
Obama/Romney
Debate 1: 3 6
Debate 2: 7 5
Debate 3: 7 4
Total: 17 15
Okay... so your analysis is in... Let's call the election off now... Glad that's settled :roll:
(I'm glad you included a rubric to how you came up with those numbers, too... nvm how irrelevant they are anyway)
BTW… the way the actual scoring works… is by voters… and the best we have to go off at the moment are the polls…
Obama had a 5-10 pt lead going into the first debate… that all but disappeared, with the two major polling average sites having it drop to 3 in one of them and tied in the other…
After the second debate, the lead had swung to Romney by 3 pts on 1 and half a point on the other.
We don’t have polls after this debate… but my guess is they won’t change one way or the other… with the worst for Romney being that it might be considered tied…
So if we are rating the debates… Romney went in down 5-10 pts, and so far is up by .5-3pts…
That’s a major win for Romney by his performance across the 3 debates…
Like I said, a big win and two draws is all that he really needed… I would’ve liked to see more, but I think he did enough…
Now, keep in mind, there are still the undecided voters, and late breaking undecided votes in every modern election have swung 80%-20% in favor of the challenger to the incumbent… So if Romney goes in with a slight lead or tied in the polls… and that trend continues… it should be a win for Romney on election night…
Obama lead into the debates, I expect him to lead by the same margin heading out of the debates if not gain a bigger lead.
Democrats should now be focusing on re-taking the house. If republicans were smart they should also start focusing on state elections so they can derail Obama and have something left to point fingers at.
WTF planet are you on?!?
Obama had a 5-10 pt lead going into the debates…
Romney has a lead after 2 of the debates…
In what way do you think the polls are going to reverse by 15 pts based off the last debate?
Unless it does (which is not very likely)… clearly Romney got the better of the debates…
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