Romney - "a salesman and bull**** artist of the highest order"

AdamT · Oct 22, 2012

Rolling Stone's Matt Taibi describes Romney as, " a salesman and bull**** artist of the highest order." He is correct. eclectablog has compiled Politifact's findings over the course of the campaign and has determined that Romney/Ryan have been significantly less honest than Obama/Biden.

For statements that were ruled to be “True” and “Mostly True”, it’s Obama and Biden at 45.0%, Romney and Ryan at 29.1%. When it comes to “False”, “Mostly False” and “Pants on Fire”, it’s Romney and Ryan at 43.9% and Obama and Biden at 28.8%. In fact, Romney and Ryan have over 4 times as many “Pants of Fire” lies as the President and Vice President. Mitt Romney himself has well over half of the total amount of “Pants of Fire” lies (58.6%) of all the candidates combined!

Politifact tells the tale: Obama/Biden lead in truth department, Romney/Ryan tell more lies (CHART) | Eclectablog

I can understand how conservatives can be opposed to Obama, but I cannot understand how they can actively support a con artist like Romney.

Gardener · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
I cannot understand how they can actively support a con artist like Romney.

My theory is that they aspire to be in the class he represents, but haven't the wits to realize that they will never be in it.

Dusty Rhodes · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
Rolling Stone's Matt Taibi describes Romney as, " a salesman and bull**** artist of the highest order." He is correct. eclectablog has compiled Politifact's findings over the course of the campaign and has determined that Romney/Ryan have been significantly less honest than Obama/Biden.

I can understand how conservatives can be opposed to Obama, but I cannot understand how they can actively support a con artist like Romney.

Romney is a much better con artist than Obama.

Dusty Rhodes · Oct 22, 2012

Gardener said:
My theory is that they aspire to be in the class he represents, but haven't the wits to realize that they will never be in it.

So you want to be in the class Obama represents?

Samhain · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
Rolling Stone's Matt Taibi describes Romney as, " a salesman and bull**** artist of the highest order." He is correct. eclectablog has compiled Politifact's findings over the course of the campaign and has determined that Romney/Ryan have been significantly less honest than Obama/Biden.

I can understand how conservatives can be opposed to Obama, but I cannot understand how they can actively support a con artist like Romney.

Here's the problem with Politifact: They get to pick the statements they judge.

AdamT · Oct 22, 2012

Gardener said:
My theory is that they aspire to be in the class he represents, but haven't the wits to realize that they will never be in it.

I think there is an element of truth to that. The irony of course is that they stand a better chance of achieving that goal if Obama is reelected.

AdamT · Oct 22, 2012

Samhain said:
Here's the problem with Politifact: They get to pick the statements they judge.

That's true, but they generally review all or most of the statements that are questionable.

Erod · Oct 22, 2012

Matt Taibi? LOL

You mean Bill Maher's bestest BFF in the whole wide world?

I can't wait for your November 7th spin.

Carleen · Oct 22, 2012

Samhain said:
Here's the problem with Politifact: They get to pick the statements they judge.

So who should pick the statements? They break down statements by catagory. It's not just one topic in politics.

Dusty Rhodes · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
I think there is an element of truth to that. The irony of course is that they stand a better chance of achieving that goal if Obama is reelected.

23 million Americas out of work. Reality doesn't line up with your rhetoric.

disneydude · Oct 22, 2012

Politicians always play loose with the facts and manipulate facts in order to score political points, however, they rarely flat out lie the way that Romney has in this election.

MaggieD · Oct 22, 2012

Samhain said:
Here's the problem with Politifact: They get to pick the statements they judge.

This right here is critical thinking at its best.

AdamT · Oct 22, 2012

Dusty Rhodes said:
23 million Americas out of work. Reality doesn't line up with your rhetoric.

The economy melted down under the last Republican administration. It has been steadily recovering for the last three years. Obama and the Democrats are focused on helping the middle class. Romney and the Republicans are focused on helping the rich. If you are rich, and only concerned with your own well being, you should support Romney. If you are middle class and only concerned with your own well being you should support Obama.

Zyphlin · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
I can understand how conservatives can be opposed to Obama, but I cannot understand how they can actively support a con artist like Romney.

Really? Perhaps you should do some basic research on the American Electoral system and it's history.

I'll give you a hint....typically only two individuals have a chance of winning, and if you absolutely won't/can't support one of them your only other option is the other guy.

If the ONLY thing one votes on is "Who they feel is the most honest" then they're likely to vote for Romney. Here's another free hint I'll give you...most people have far more criteria on who they'll vote for other than just that.

Furthermore, using just one fact checker is akin to using just one poll...highly questionable and giving a very narrow scope and picture. There's been instances throughout this campaign, such as during the conventions, where Politifact has taken an entirely different stance on the factuality of a statement then the other three prominent public fact checkers (factcheck.org and the WAPO fact checker) or where they've used very inconsistent methods of rating something mostly false on one side but half true on another.

VanceMack · Oct 22, 2012

Whats funny is you are denouncing Romney...and yet the guy you support rates a total of 22% on the 'true' scale. You are proud of your leper because at least he doesnt have cancer.

Dusty Rhodes · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
The economy melted down under the last Republican administration. It has been steadily recovering for the last three years. Obama and the Democrats are focused on helping the middle class. Romney and the Republicans are focused on helping the rich. If you are rich, and only concerned with your own well being, you should support Romney. If you are middle class and only concerned with your own well being you should support Obama.

Once again, your rhetoric doesn't line up with reality. If only the rich are supporting Romney then we are better off than we realize because the polls are sure showing a lot of rich people supporting Romney.

rocket88 · Oct 22, 2012

Zyphlin said:
I'll give you a hint....typically only two individuals have a chance of winning, and if you absolutely won't/can't support one of them your only other option is the other guy.

That's only true if you care about voting for a winner, or if you're in a swing state and care which one wins. I live in a blue state, and even if my vote for a third party caused it to switch to red, I could live with that.

MaggieD · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
Rolling Stone's Matt Taibi describes Romney as, " a salesman and bull**** artist of the highest order." He is correct. eclectablog has compiled Politifact's findings over the course of the campaign and has determined that Romney/Ryan have been significantly less honest than Obama/Biden.

I can understand how conservatives can be opposed to Obama, but I cannot understand how they can actively support a con artist like Romney.

And why should anyone trust PolitiFacts? They rated Joe Biden's statement, "We weren't told they wanted more security" for the diplomatic facilities in Libya, Mostly False. This is Pants on Fire!

The way they got it to be Mostly False was by rationalizing that the White House probably wasn't told; but the State Department surely was. The State Department IS the Obama Administration.

Trust no one. They all lie.

AdamT · Oct 22, 2012

Zyphlin said:
Really? Perhaps you should do some basic research on the American Electoral system and it's history.

I'll give you a hint....typically only two individuals have a chance of winning, and if you absolutely won't/can't support one of them your only other option is the other guy.

If the ONLY thing one votes on is "Who they feel is the most honest" then they're likely to vote for Romney. Here's another free hint I'll give you...most people have far more criteria on who they'll vote for other than just that.

You seem to have missed a fairly obvious third option: if you can't support either candidate, support neither of them, or support a third candidate.

I don't care how much I hate the other guy -- I could never support a bull**** artist like Romney.

The Man · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
I can understand how conservatives can be opposed to Obama, but I cannot understand how they can actively support a con artist like Romney.

I don't actively support Romney. I'm only voting for Romney because he's the only candidate who's not Obama that has a good chance to win. But then, I'm not a conservative either.

AdamT · Oct 22, 2012

MaggieD said:
And why should anyone trust PolitiFacts? They rated Joe Biden's statement, "We weren't told they wanted more security" for the diplomatic facilities in Libya, Mostly False. This is Pants on Fire!

The way they got it to be Mostly False was by rationalizing that the White House probably wasn't told; but the State Department surely was. The State Department IS the Obama Administration.

Trust no one. They all lie.

I think their explanation for their ruling is reasonable, though I would actually rate it half true, or cannot be determined. If by "we" Biden meant the WH staff then the claim is probably true. If, OTOH, he meant the administration, then the claim is false. No one asked Biden to clarify who he meant by "we."

MaggieD · Oct 22, 2012

AdamT said:
I think their explanation for their ruling is reasonable, though I would actually rate it half true, or cannot be determined. If by "we" Biden meant the WH staff then the claim is probably true. If, OTOH, he meant the administration, then the claim is false. No one asked Biden to clarify who he meant by "we."

You have got to be freakin' kidding me! :rofl

And that, my friends, is why we should never trust PolitiFacts. "I would actually rate it half true." :rofl

Adam, are your trousers getting warm?

AdamT · Oct 22, 2012

MaggieD said:
You have got to be freakin' kidding me! :rofl

And that, my friends, is why we should never trust PolitiFacts. "I would actually rate it half true." :rofl

Adam, are your trousers getting warm?

No, I'm not kidding, and your response would be more meaningful if it included more reasoning than emoticons.

Zyphlin · Oct 22, 2012

rocket88 said:
That's only true if you care about voting for a winner, or if you're in a swing state and care which one wins. I live in a blue state, and even if my vote for a third party caused it to switch to red, I could live with that.

It's funny how similar the die hard 3rd party voters are to the die hard two party system voters when it comes to condenscending indignance and over simplification of the other sides actins.

No, it's not if you only care about voting for a winner...its about if a portion of your reasons for voting includes the notion that your vote is going to someone that has a realsitic chance to win, not necessarily that they will win.

Only caring about voting for a winner would mean that the individual would simply vote for whoever they think is most likely to win in every election.

The reality is, two party voters are the same as 3rd party voters in that the reason they cast their vote is based on a variety of factors that are most important to them in terms of how they view the electoral system and what they view as most important.

Dittohead not! · Oct 22, 2012

Who but a salesman and bull(bleep!) artist could possibly get anything through Congress?

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