Dreams of my real father.

Official site of Dreams from My Real Father (2012)

Is it just me or is this the dirtiest piece of lying trash propaganda ever put out? The try to make it sound like Obama is telling this story and it really just lies and lies and lies. It is amazing to me how low the anti-obama crowd will sink. this is libel and slander. If you want to argue against someone based on their policies and the problems with that then you do that. This does not belong anywhere in politics at all. This is beinmg mailed out free to everyone in the swing states as a mass mail. If Obama wins after all these dirty tricks your republicans are really a dead party. You have done every dirty trick and thrown every bit of propaganda and misinformation that you can at him. You are desperate and cannot face the reality that he just is not that bad. I am not saying he can walk on water or is a savior, he just is not even close to the evil you make him out to be.

What they are doing is wrong, and it brings down everyone. it makes the world a worse place for their presence. They have done far more damage to this country than obama could have ever accomplished even if he was as evil as they say.

tererun said:

Official site of Dreams from My Real Father (2012)

Is it just me or is this the dirtiest piece of lying trash propaganda ever put out? The try to make it sound like Obama is telling this story and it really just lies and lies and lies. It is amazing to me how low the anti-obama crowd will sink. this is libel and slander. If you want to argue against someone based on their policies and the problems with that then you do that. This does not belong anywhere in politics at all. This is beinmg mailed out free to everyone in the swing states as a mass mail. If Obama wins after all these dirty tricks your republicans are really a dead party. You have done every dirty trick and thrown every bit of propaganda and misinformation that you can at him. You are desperate and cannot face the reality that he just is not that bad. I am not saying he can walk on water or is a savior, he just is not even close to the evil you make him out to be.

What they are doing is wrong, and it brings down everyone. it makes the world a worse place for their presence. They have done far more damage to this country than obama could have ever accomplished even if he was as evil as they say.

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What if his story as depicted in his book is filled with lies?
He was caught creating a composite girlfriend...
He claimed never to have heard Wright in that tone...
Ayers he had basically no connection with...

tererun said:

Official site of Dreams from My Real Father (2012)

Is it just me or is this the dirtiest piece of lying trash propaganda ever put out? The try to make it sound like Obama is telling this story and it really just lies and lies and lies. It is amazing to me how low the anti-obama crowd will sink. this is libel and slander. If you want to argue against someone based on their policies and the problems with that then you do that. This does not belong anywhere in politics at all. This is beinmg mailed out free to everyone in the swing states as a mass mail. If Obama wins after all these dirty tricks your republicans are really a dead party. You have done every dirty trick and thrown every bit of propaganda and misinformation that you can at him. You are desperate and cannot face the reality that he just is not that bad. I am not saying he can walk on water or is a savior, he just is not even close to the evil you make him out to be.

What they are doing is wrong, and it brings down everyone. it makes the world a worse place for their presence. They have done far more damage to this country than obama could have ever accomplished even if he was as evil as they say.

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I hate this ****.

Our Constitution is continually used against us to obfuscate, lie, spin, deceive. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. And we need it. But like every right we have, it should have limits. Some day our court systems will agree, and people who do things like this will have to account for their unethical and harmful behavior.

I suppose this particular site is better than many, since it does disclaim by including the phrase (para-phrased), "This is a divergent theory...." I'd like to see a requirement that sites like this . . . publications . . . supposed news articles . . . have a disclaimer at the top in 16-point type so people can't miss what they're reading.

tererun said:

Official site of Dreams from My Real Father (2012)

Is it just me or is this the dirtiest piece of lying trash propaganda ever put out? The try to make it sound like Obama is telling this story and it really just lies and lies and lies. It is amazing to me how low the anti-obama crowd will sink. this is libel and slander. If you want to argue against someone based on their policies and the problems with that then you do that. This does not belong anywhere in politics at all. This is beinmg mailed out free to everyone in the swing states as a mass mail. If Obama wins after all these dirty tricks your republicans are really a dead party. You have done every dirty trick and thrown every bit of propaganda and misinformation that you can at him. You are desperate and cannot face the reality that he just is not that bad. I am not saying he can walk on water or is a savior, he just is not even close to the evil you make him out to be.

What they are doing is wrong, and it brings down everyone. it makes the world a worse place for their presence. They have done far more damage to this country than obama could have ever accomplished even if he was as evil as they say.

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Since you are condemning it whole-heartedly, I assume that you have watched the whole thing and can point out specific examples of the "lying trash propaganda" it contains, so please do. If you have not watched it and are condemning it as "lying trash propaganda" then I will assume the same about your condemnation of a movie you have never seen.

MaggieD said:

I hate this ****.

Our Constitution is continually used against us to obfuscate, lie, spin, deceive. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. And we need it. But like every right we have, it should have limits. Some day our court systems will agree, and people who do things like this will have to account for their unethical and harmful behavior.

I suppose this particular site is better than many, since it does disclaim by including the phrase (para-phrased), "This is a divergent theory...." I'd like to see a requirement that sites like this . . . publications . . . supposed news articles . . . have a disclaimer at the top in 16-point type so people can't miss what they're reading.

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Who is to decide on these limits? Obama?
Have you read the book? A #1 NYT Best Seller?
If so... what is wrong with it?

Maggie your take on limited free speech is massively dangerous; free speech is free speech. Part of one industry I work in has a cartel mentality with Codes that hurt the investor while protecting the service provider. Because the service providers all work in the same manner it is damn near impossible to rock the boat and gain entrance. Those who want into the association, who have better ideas and service who want to sell them aggressively (as should be their right) have a choice to make... shut up and join, and possibly sink your business, or take the cartel on. Thanks to the internet the cartel is weaker, but not dead.

Free speech is wonderful... it allows idiots and brilliance to shine.

Now... what is it that you dislike about this book?

My favorite:

Breaking News

Nothing screams I'm not a racism like claiming two unrelated black guys are related because of their noses.

Runner Up

Breaking News



These two guys are related.... because...:

Two of Davis' children, Lynn and Mark, attended Farrington High School in Honolulu. Lynn Davis (born August 15, 1949) graduated from Farrington High with the class of 1967. Mark Davis (born November 9, 1950) graduated Farrington High with the class of 1968. Mark Davis' yearbook photo (center on right) is strikingly similar to Barack Obama's high school photos (left, right). Lynn Davis' graduation photo (below right) compares remarkably to Barack Obama as an adult. Is President Obama a half-sibling of the Davis children?

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zimmer said:

Who is to decide on these limits? Obama?
Have you read the book? A #1 NYT Best Seller?
If so... what is wrong with it?

Maggie your take on limited free speech is massively dangerous; free speech is free speech. Part of one industry I work in has a cartel mentality with Codes that hurt the investor while protecting the service provider. Because the service providers all work in the same manner it is damn near impossible to rock the boat and gain entrance. Those who want into the association, who have better ideas and service who want to sell them aggressively (as should be their right) have a choice to make... shut up and join, and possibly sink your business, or take the cartel on. Thanks to the internet the cartel is weaker, but not dead.

Free speech is wonderful... it allows idiots and brilliance to shine.

Now... what is it that you dislike about this book?

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We already have laws against libel and slander which limit free speech. Unfortunately, the courts don't do a good job of enforcing them, in my opinion.

I didn't watch it myself. But I'll take Tererun's word that it's trash for the purposes of this thread. I think the book title and jacket are an infringement on copyright. Can I name my hamburger chain The Real McDonald's and put up a sign quite similar to McDonald's? I doubt I'd get away with it.

tererun said:

Official site of Dreams from My Real Father (2012)

Is it just me or is this the dirtiest piece of lying trash propaganda ever put out? The try to make it sound like Obama is telling this story and it really just lies and lies and lies. It is amazing to me how low the anti-obama crowd will sink. this is libel and slander. If you want to argue against someone based on their policies and the problems with that then you do that. This does not belong anywhere in politics at all. This is beinmg mailed out free to everyone in the swing states as a mass mail. If Obama wins after all these dirty tricks your republicans are really a dead party. You have done every dirty trick and thrown every bit of propaganda and misinformation that you can at him. You are desperate and cannot face the reality that he just is not that bad. I am not saying he can walk on water or is a savior, he just is not even close to the evil you make him out to be.

What they are doing is wrong, and it brings down everyone. it makes the world a worse place for their presence. They have done far more damage to this country than obama could have ever accomplished even if he was as evil as they say.

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The only odd thing I find about the film is that the producer believes Frank Davis (I believe that's his name) is Obama's real biological father - other than that the opinions expressed in that video are pretty accurate...

That communist freak Davis was certainly an influence in Obama's life and - lets be clear here - Obama's mother factually was a communist and his biological father Barack Sr was a communist....

It's no stretch to say Obama was highly influenced with pro-communism propaganda growing up and THAT is well documented....

Hell, Obama only wrote a book entitled: "Dreams From My Father" in which he glorifies is father, and Obama Sr only wrote a paper entitled: "Problems With Our Socialism" in which his father argues that more socialism is needed and that socialism needs to be enforced by an authoritarian government.

Yet progressives laugh at the idea that Obama is a socialist? - Obama is a socialist - Obama is just using means of capitalism to create a socialist outcome.....

The truth is most progressives either A) agree with this method and just deny it because "socialism" and "communism" are "bad words" or "negative words" in the United States or B) don't want to believe it and refuse to believe it because they're ignorant despite all the evidence that contradicts their illusion of the president.

Either way I'm getting quite fed up with those who deny Obama doesn't favor socialism and was not brought up with a pro-communist values despite the fact all evidence says otherwise.

MaggieD said:

We already have laws against libel and slander which limit free speech. Unfortunately, the courts don't do a good job of enforcing them, in my opinion.

I didn't watch it myself. But I'll take Tererun's word that it's trash for the purposes of this thread. I think the book title and jacket are an infringement on copyright. Can I name my hamburger chain The Real McDonald's and put up a sign quite similar to McDonald's? I doubt I'd get away with it.

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Maggie,
Why take her word for it?
The National Press Club invited the author to speak; below is the video.
This guy lays down the law... of our media not doing their job. Good for him.
Why... Why would they not want to discuss this book?
Would that not make you wonder???
I find the press shirking their responsibility to the public... narrowing the information for the public to be vile. It is how Obama got elected the first time.

I think there should be limits to lies and hate speech IMHO.

I think people should have the possibility to bring cases like this to court and that a judge should be able to ban publication and punish those who libel/spread total and utter lies that have nothing to do with political opinions but slander and those preaching hate speech (like racist/anti-semitic, etc.)

Possibly even criminal prosecution should be possible in some cases.

Peter King said:

I think there should be limits to lies and hate speech IMHO.

I think people should have the possibility to bring cases like this to court and that a judge should be able to ban publication and punish those who libel/spread total and utter lies that have nothing to do with political opinions but slander and those preaching hate speech (like racist/anti-semitic, etc.)

Possibly even criminal prosecution should be possible in some cases.

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Off to the gulags huh?
All you need is one corrupt judge to do a job for his party.

Pim Fortyn?
Theo van Gogh?
Prime prospects for your idea. All depends who is offended, and how perverse political correctness is at the time.

Mark Steyn in Canada had to fight because of something he had written. Canada has no protection of speech.

Think of the chilling effect your idea has on free speech? Who will know where the line is drawn in the sand?
They wouldn't until it is too late. Or... would we have a Dept. of Editing?
It would have a Stalin like effect on speech.

I'm for free speech. It is the best for society. It identifies who is who, and it surely won't please everyone... tough darts.

zimmer said:

Maggie,
Why take her word for it?
The National Press Club invited the author to speak; below is the video.
This guy lays down the law... of our media not doing their job. Good for him.
Why... Why would they not want to discuss this book?
Would that not make you wonder???
I find the press shirking their responsibility to the public... narrowing the information for the public to be vile. It is how Obama got elected the first time.

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Everything that man said is absolutely factual.

I figured all that out via my own research 4 years ago..... I also love the fact he brought up the Community Reinvestment Act (amendments) which was responsible for the housing collapse and our present economy. There is a lot more to it than what was briefly explained in the video but none the less it is all true.

It's nice to see individuals presenting truth and facts instead of painting broad pictures in an attempt to keep this Marxist nut Obama in the White House.

The media has done everything in its power to bury inconvenient truths that would shock voters (even democrats) into not buying Obama's fairytale, and allegedly "humble" upbringing.

IDK, if Frank Davis is Obamas father or not - the truth is Frank Davis nor Obama Sr were goat herders. Obama Sr was an academic, Marxist activist, womanizer and drunk. Davis was pretty much the same.

Peter King said:

I think there should be limits to lies and hate speech IMHO.

I think people should have the possibility to bring cases like this to court and that a judge should be able to ban publication and punish those who libel/spread total and utter lies that have nothing to do with political opinions but slander and those preaching hate speech (like racist/anti-semitic, etc.)

Possibly even criminal prosecution should be possible in some cases.

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Instead of making accusations why don't you go do the research and find the facts - because I did and everything this guy says is true about Obama.

As a matter of fact I knew all this before Obama was even elected president. Hell Obama even ADMITTED IN HIS OWN WORDS the majority of what this movie is about... Go read the book "Dreams From My Father" then go do research on Barack Obama Sr.....

There are no lies here...

Free speech is not the problem, its those that are dumb enough to be influenced by garbage. I find it hilarious they're still going after the "secret evil agent" narrative to describe an Obama who once in power will wreak havoc on the U.S. He was already president, lol, he didn't do anything too wild, but they're trying to rev it up again as though his second term will be the gangnam style.

Mr.Nick said:

Instead of making accusations why don't you go do the research and find the facts - because I did and everything this guy says is true about Obama.

As a matter of fact I knew all this before Obama was even elected president. Hell Obama even ADMITTED IN HIS OWN WORDS the majority of what this movie is about... Go read the book "Dreams From My Father" then go do research on Barack Obama Sr.....

There are no lies here...

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This coming from the same guy who said Romney might win California, your judgement is not sound.

Verax said:

Free speech is not the problem, its those that are dumb enough to be influenced by garbage. I find it hilarious they're still going after the "secret evil agent" narrative to describe an Obama who once in power will wreak havoc on the U.S. He was already president, lol, he didn't do anything too wild, but they're trying to rev it up again as though his second term will be the gangnam style.

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He didn't do anything "too wild?"

Doubling the deficit, taking over businesses, telling congress to commit to an insane healthcare law that forces people do partake in a program by mandate, bailing out labor unions and the public sector while neglecting the private sector with taxpayer money - oh not to mention creating companies which do absolutely nothing or go bankrupt is not "wild?"

What would be "wild" to you? refusing taxpayer funded contraceptives?

Verax said:

This coming from the same guy who said Romney might win California, your judgement is not sound.

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My judgement is perfectly sound....

Back in 2008 it was "Obama is great give him a chance" and in 2012 it's "Obama is a failure."

I'd bet 70% of voters who are informed, who read the issues on a daily basis from multiple sources will not be voting for Obama.

What Obama does have tho are a bunch of special interest groups such as unions, loyal democrats and trendy voters on his side - those fools won't defeat the intelligent and informed voters.... Of course democrats will try to level that discrepancy out by buying the vote of homeless people and crazies who don't even know what year it is with free lunches and cigarettes and a free t-shirt...

Of course you have those who voted for Obama in 2008 who presently don't care for either Obama or Romney and will just stay home.

Then you have those who usually don't vote but will now because they want to see Obama removed from the White House because their lives are hell and Obama's policies are so sicking to them that they will vote along with those libertarians and republicans who always vote...

The notion that Obama is a shoe-in for either California or Illinois just because he was in 2008 is laughable and I believe I provided a few good reasons as to why it's laughable.

Mr.Nick said:

Back in 2008 it was "Obama is great give him a chance" and in 2012 it's "Obama is a failure."

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Back in 2008, I voted for Obama, not because I supported him in any way, shape or form, but because I wanted to keep Sarah Palin away from any shot in hell at the Oval Office. In 2012, I still recognize that Obama is not the person I want in office, neither is Romney. In fact, in the past 30ish years of voting, I have yet to see a candidate out of either party, hell *ANY* party, that I could support. I think Obama has been a miserable failure, just like Bush was. I'm voting Romney, not because I want Romney in office, but I want Obama in office even less.

When are we going to get candidates worth voting for?

Mr.Nick said:

Instead of making accusations why don't you go do the research and find the facts - because I did and everything this guy says is true about Obama.

As a matter of fact I knew all this before Obama was even elected president. Hell Obama even ADMITTED IN HIS OWN WORDS the majority of what this movie is about... Go read the book "Dreams From My Father" then go do research on Barack Obama Sr.....

There are no lies here...

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Hey, if you believe this book, I have a friend with prime building land in the Louisiana swamps. He swears to me that it is solid enough to build sky scrapers on. If you are interested, you can find his website at "www.I_believe_everything_I_read.ru/not_a_shred_of_evidence.html"

He swears to me he is an American with loads of business experience and a real job creator.

Mr.Nick said:

He didn't do anything "too wild?"

Doubling the deficit, taking over businesses, telling congress to commit to an insane healthcare law that forces people do partake in a program by mandate, bailing out labor unions and the public sector while neglecting the private sector with taxpayer money - oh not to mention creating companies which do absolutely nothing or go bankrupt is not "wild?"

What would be "wild" to you? refusing taxpayer funded contraceptives?

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Talking points that Fox news has whipped you up into a frenzy over is not wild, just your interpretation of it.

Mr.Nick said:

My judgement is perfectly sound....

Back in 2008 it was "Obama is great give him a chance" and in 2012 it's "Obama is a failure."

I'd bet 70% of voters who are informed, who read the issues on a daily basis from multiple sources will not be voting for Obama.

What Obama does have tho are a bunch of special interest groups such as unions, loyal democrats and trendy voters on his side - those fools won't defeat the intelligent and informed voters.... Of course democrats will try to level that discrepancy out by buying the vote of homeless people and crazies who don't even know what year it is with free lunches and cigarettes and a free t-shirt...

Of course you have those who voted for Obama in 2008 who presently don't care for either Obama or Romney and will just stay home.

Then you have those who usually don't vote but will now because they want to see Obama removed from the White House because their lives are hell and Obama's policies are so sicking to them that they will vote along with those libertarians and republicans who always vote...

The notion that Obama is a shoe-in for either California or Illinois just because he was in 2008 is laughable and I believe I provided a few good reasons as to why it's laughable.

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"I'd bet" = What you wish reality were. You are the definition of a conservative. Every thing about you involves unfounded beliefs based on what you want reality to be.

Cephus said:

Back in 2008, I voted for Obama, not because I supported him in any way, shape or form, but because I wanted to keep Sarah Palin away from any shot in hell at the Oval Office. In 2012, I still recognize that Obama is not the person I want in office, neither is Romney. In fact, in the past 30ish years of voting, I have yet to see a candidate out of either party, hell *ANY* party, that I could support. I think Obama has been a miserable failure, just like Bush was. I'm voting Romney, not because I want Romney in office, but I want Obama in office even less.

When are we going to get candidates worth voting for?

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Yeah I'm not to big on Romney (not that I don't agree with some of his ideas, I just don't trust politicians) however I do like Paul Ryan and his economic plan.

But at the same time I agree with you - you're not voting for Romney you're voting against Obama and that is exactly the way I view my vote.

My main concern in this election is to get the economy back on track and I believe the best way to do that is to lower taxes instead of increasing taxes and letting government redistribute wealth via foodstamps and welfare or making the individual dependent on the government - that is just a downward spiral.... So in that regard I do support Romney/Ryan.

I suppose the social ideas I agree with Romney/Ryan on are way too complicated to get into (it would be an entire thread or several) but I agree with some of their social positions - just not for the same reasons. I have a different philosophy on those issues but agree with their intended outcome..

Cephus said:

Back in 2008, I voted for Obama, not because I supported him in any way, shape or form, but because I wanted to keep Sarah Palin away from any shot in hell at the Oval Office. In 2012, I still recognize that Obama is not the person I want in office, neither is Romney. In fact, in the past 30ish years of voting, I have yet to see a candidate out of either party, hell *ANY* party, that I could support. I think Obama has been a miserable failure, just like Bush was. I'm voting Romney, not because I want Romney in office, but I want Obama in office even less.

When are we going to get candidates worth voting for?

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Never, it's impossible.

zimmer said:

Off to the gulags huh?
All you need is one corrupt judge to do a job for his party.

Pim Fortyn?
Theo van Gogh?
Prime prospects for your idea. All depends who is offended, and how perverse political correctness is at the time.

Mark Steyn in Canada had to fight because of something he had written. Canada has no protection of speech.

Think of the chilling effect your idea has on free speech? Who will know where the line is drawn in the sand?
They wouldn't until it is too late. Or... would we have a Dept. of Editing?
It would have a Stalin like effect on speech.

I'm for free speech. It is the best for society. It identifies who is who, and it surely won't please everyone... tough darts.

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Last time I checked there was no Gulag yet in the Netherlands and I doubt it will ever become that.

Pim Fortyun? Gabriel Giffords, John F. Kennedy
Theo van Gogh? John Lennon, George Tiller, Dr. Martin Luther King
Prime evidence that idiots will kill no matter what. Fortyun and van Gogh were not killed because of a lack of freedom of speech. Even in my country, where there are limits to freedom of speech (only when these remarks are deemed illegal) idiots will still exist to kill people they do not agree with.

And there is no chilling effect from my ideas on freedom of speech, you are still allowed to spew all kinds of stupids things but sometimes there will be repercussions if people break the law while spewing dumb ideas. There is no department of editing, no thought police but proper judicial procedures when things are said that go too far according to the law books.

Verax said:

"I'd bet" = What you wish reality were. You are the definition of a conservative. Every thing about you involves unfounded beliefs based on what you want reality to be.

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I'm a libertarian - what I personally believe shouldn't be imposed on you...

I don't "hope" I know how things are going - Obama has NOT retained the "swing vote."

I suppose to make my opinion as easy as possible to understand - there will be more anti-Obama voters voting than pro-Obama voters voting and many of the "swing voters" who voted for Obama in 2008 will be voting 3rd party or Romney ...

In short Obama lost a large portion of his "bandwagon" voters which narrowly helped him get elected.

Or to put it in mathematical terms 40% are for Romney, 40% are for democrat and 20% are independent - guess what 17% of the independents are either voting Romney or 3rd party and I'm sure a good 10-12% will be voting Romney - not because they agree with Romney but because they realize Obama is an idiot that needs to be removed.. The others will waste their vote on other candidates such as Gary Johnson (who I totally agree with as a libertarian but cant win) or other candidates that have no chance of winning....

Lets just say a 3rd party vote is a vote for Obama and Romney, and lets just say there are more people that want Obama out of office then in office.