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The Benghazi attack attack crumbles

Then read what the National Assn of Realtors found when it looked at the tax

http://www.realtor.org/small_business_health_coverage.nsf/docfiles/government_affairs_invest_inc_tax_broch.pdf/$FILE/government_affairs_invest_inc_tax_broch.pdf

whats it doing in Obamacare?.....
 
you just proved its true.. and tha your link was a biased liberal site..

wow

Thats not a small amount of homeowners...in say NJ or NY..

Not as you described it. Its not every homeowner, it is only on the "gain" in a resale, so consider it a primary residence capital gain.
So if you have more than $200K in equity in your home you'll pay on the amount over $200K.
 
Not as you described it. Its not every homeowner, it is only on the "gain" in a resale, so consider it a primary residence capital gain.
So if you have more than $200K in equity in your home you'll pay on the amount over $200K.


so its an obscene Obama tax that you are defending, that Obama snuck in Obamacare...
whats your point?
 
Obama's promise was overtaken by events. Nobody could have predicted how hard it would be to stem the downward spiral of job losses and gdp decline, or how much money it would cost.

You really mean how stupid was Obama, to think by election day in 08 Obama promises to cut the deficit in half, but instead he doubled it. Now just how much is Obama out of touch. What do you expect from a community organizer and a guy that never ran a lemonade stand.

The truth of the matter is that America is enormously wealthy. By far the wealthiest country that has ever existed. It has a gigantic unmatched cash flow (look up the definition). All its going to take to bring the debt undercontrol is some common sense compromise on the nations priorities moving forward.

Do you not know we have a "negative" cash flow problem, Obama spends $11 for every $7 he receives, I see you have no understanding of economics.

So what do you say about Romney's budget that will increase the deficit to $20 trillion by 2020?

Lets see we're over 16 trillion now and under Obama adding 6 trillion in 4 yrs that brings to a total under Obama by 2020 to 22 trillion. I like Romney's numbers by 2 trillion reasons.

this has been the same story with every election that I have followed for 40 years. Like I said before, its only going to take some consensus spending priorities and the debt can be dealt with. You need to do is agree on how any future surplus will be used - in Canada, we paid down a huge chunk of our debt in the 90 by sensibly agreeing to its priorty.
And I do agree that this generation has to sacrifice more for their excesses, hence raising taxes is a must at some point.

Obama has no intention of reducing our debt with any surplus, he as already said any savings from wars will go to spending not debt reduction.

No, I it is not a burning issue at this point, because there are other priorities and I do not suggest ignoring it. First priorities are spending /revenue/deficit. Those take precedence - if a balanced approach is taken then the debt can be tackled in a far more stable economic climate. Sensible solutions is whats needed, not out of control partisanship fueled by big business and big businessmen.

Balanced approach, Obama talking point. What you never speak to is growing our economy, of which Obama has no clue. We send 500 billion a yr and all the jobs that go with it to oil lords. Bring that money back home and all the jobs that go with it and this country will boom. But it will never happen under Obama. Build Keystone, never happen under Obama. Take the job and industry killing EPA and shut them down, never happen under Obama. Kill Dodd / Frank. Stop with the billions going down a rat hole with all this green that can't compete with natural gas and coal. I could go and on. But liberals don't care about jobs, never have never will.

Wrong again. from a source I know you will trust. Sorry, but Obama has taken a number of republican ideas and incorporated that into proposed legislation - only to be rejected by the republicans.

Name one. And don't go giving me a Romney idea, I'm looking for a Republican idea that they proposed to Obama that was incorporated into Obamacare.

In case you haven't noticed, in the last four years, the centerist right no longer controls the republican agenda and now reject many ideas they formallly held.

You talking about the 2010 election landslide shellacking Obama, you mean the will of the people stating we don't like Obama's failed policies.

Yes romney promises to kill a program that is almost identical to the one he implemented in Mass.

The key word, "almost" is not good enough.

It was good enough for the people of Mass but not for the rest of the country. The guy went from adopting "romneycare" to totally rejecting "obamacare". Just another flip, because centerist republicans don't have much traction or differentiation. Its what comes when the emphasis is on extreme partisanship.

The 2010 election was a strong voice against Obamacare and his failed policies. I know you want to ignore all this 2010 stuff.

If you look at the first two years of Obama's term, you'll notice that republicans used the senate filibuster/cloture/anonymous hold tactics to block a lot of legislation - sometimes successfully forcing the dems to modify or trade off, but more often not as it should be in a democracy.

As I said, the Dem's controlled all three houses of government, key world "controlled" they could pass any legislation they wanted anytime they wanted.

I guess you don't believe the severity of the global economic crisis. Okay not much can be said if you don't recognize the scope of the problem and the consequences of failure over those first couple of years.

And I guess you don't understand what caused the collapse of some of Europe's countries. Debt, socialism, unions, pensions, entitlements, giveaways, etc.

Obamacare was loved so much that 30 republican states sued, oh, but unsuccessfully

Thanks to the Supreme Court making a penalty a tax.

a co-ordinated effort, just like the co-ordinated union busting

You mean like Walker did, and the union spent millions trying to oust Walker that got elected a second time. You don't like elections, where the people liked what Walker did and elected him again for doing so.

voter fraud

Are you saying you are OK with voter fraud?

it was concerned politicians trying to solve real problems.

Like Walker, Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels, John Kasich and the like

Interesting you don't by Obama's talking points, but tell me, why are you buying romney's? Its not like he's been consistent in the last two years on his positions and even in the last couple of months he's "pivoted" which is another way of saying "changed my mind because I can't get elected with that policy".

Give me a break, Obama told you everything you want to hear and you sucked him up hook line and sinker. "I'll cut the deficit in half" just for starters.
 
so its an obscene Obama tax that you are defending, that Obama snuck in Obamacare...
whats your point?

How was the tax "snuck" into the bill? It's a tax to defray the costs of health care reform. It will affect very few people.
 
I'd ask for proof, but you've proven your peceived racism is nothing more than a willingness to believe lies.

How pathetic, IMHO>

Obama is not incompetent because of his race, he is incompetent because he is incompetent. It has nothing to do with race. Grow up!
 
How was the tax "snuck" into the bill? It's a tax to defray the costs of health care reform. It will affect very few people.

Everything in the bill was "snuck" into it. It was passed in the middle of the night on Christmas eve with only democrats voting for it, no one had a chance to read it before it was voted for and signed into law by obama. It was a terrible piece of legislation and was passed in a very corrupt way.
 
How was the tax "snuck" into the bill? It's a tax to defray the costs of health care reform. It will affect very few people.

how was it not.. its a tax.. it was snuck in.. period.

defray?...wow.. that changes everything..

Its a tax, it effects MILLIONS of people.... and if it was so great Obama should be out telling us all about it..but hes not..
 
how was it not.. its a tax.. it was snuck in.. period.

defray?...wow.. that changes everything..

Its a tax, it effects MILLIONS of people.... and if it was so great Obama should be out telling us all about it..but hes not..

Are you claiming that the tax was not in drafts of the bill that were publicly available for months and months before it was finally approved?
 
Are you claiming that the tax was not in drafts of the bill that were publicly available for months and months before it was finally approved?

I dont care about symantics and games...

its a tax,, it affects MILLIONS of people.. and MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people have no idea its in Obamacare..

Id advise you keep your hope and change posters in good shape and look to sell them on Ebay to offset this tax
 
how was it not.. its a tax.. it was snuck in.. period.

defray?...wow.. that changes everything..

Its a tax, it effects MILLIONS of people.... and if it was so great Obama should be out telling us all about it..but hes not..

Why do you even bother with him?

He's already been exposed numerous times as a circus clown. He's an amusing distraction. Nothing more.
 
Why do you even bother with him?

He's already been exposed numerous times as a circus clown. He's an amusing distraction. Nothing more.

I agree...
 
You really mean how stupid was Obama, to think by election day in 08 Obama promises to cut the deficit in half, but instead he doubled it. Now just how much is Obama out of touch. What do you expect from a community organizer and a guy that never ran a lemonade stand.

Yes, Obama was as stupid as just about everyone else in predicting how bad it was really going to get. Where were all those republicans jumping up and down saying - the sky is falling the sky is falling? Hindsight is always 20/20.

Do you not know we have a "negative" cash flow problem, Obama spends $11 for every $7 he receives, I see you have no understanding of economics.

firstly cash flow is accounting not economics. Secondly you did not factor in financing proceeds. Perhpas you should have listened a little more in high school accounting class.

The US ability to repay the debt is not in serious question. The US ability to deal with the deficit in a pragmatic, balanced way is a serious question that is yet to be resolved. It could easily be resolved if the ideologic partisanship was put on the shelf and common sense prevailed.

Lets see we're over 16 trillion now and under Obama adding 6 trillion in 4 yrs that brings to a total under Obama by 2020 to 22 trillion. I like Romney's numbers by 2 trillion reasons.

fair enough, except we know romney's numbers are wrong to begin with.


Obama has no intention of reducing our debt with any surplus, he as already said any savings from wars will go to spending not debt reduction.

Right it will go to deficit reduction. First get the deficit undercontrol - stop the gushing. then worry about the debt. Sounds reasonable to me.


Balanced approach, Obama talking point. What you never speak to is growing our economy, of which Obama has no clue. We send 500 billion a yr and all the jobs that go with it to oil lords. Bring that money back home and all the jobs that go with it and this country will boom. But it will never happen under Obama. Build Keystone, never happen under Obama. Take the job and industry killing EPA and shut them down, never happen under Obama. Kill Dodd / Frank. Stop with the billions going down a rat hole with all this green that can't compete with natural gas and coal. I could go and on. But liberals don't care about jobs, never have never will.

I see. the number of wells drilling is up under obama. If it hadn't been for the gulf oil spill it would have been even greater.
Keystone isn't dead, its just got to go thru the environmental impact studies in detail, just like it needs detailed surveys etc.
Why not let companies pollute, dump their toxic waste where ever, spew sulphur dioxide/nitrogen dioxide/carbon dixode into the atmosphere since everyone knows that climate change is nothing but a liberal conspiracy. You old enough to remember the acid rain issues? Lakes being killed?

Yep kill dodd/franks - let wall street regulate itself, don't eliminate too big to fail, let banks keep their ridiculous low asset ratios, let wall street invent new products like toxic mortgage backed securities, let deritivatives run wild, let conflict of interest credit default swaps loose. May the american people have even gotten over the last time wall street buttf***ed them, but obviously you liked it and don't want there to be any restraints and regulations on how they conduct business. Honest guys those wall streeters.

Yes, stop investing and supporting green energy research, manufacturing and implementation. Why look to the future? Why worry about other nations investing and building this industry of the future. Obama invested 3 billion, China invested 35 billion. China was caught dumping solar panels in the US which directly led to firms going out of business. Great myopic vision you have there. Cede the future to China and India.

Liberals care about jobs - a lot of them are unemployed. They want job creation and they want sustainable job creation but not to the detriment of the environment or the middle class. they want oil production, but they want it done intelligently and safely. (I guess you haven't reviewed the safety record of the canadian company that wants to build keystone). You think giving wall street a free hand in exchange for a couple million jobs is a fair trade, so they can screw everyone again and again and again. Need I remind you the american people lost trillions of dollars?

Name one. And don't go giving me a Romney idea, I'm looking for a Republican idea that they proposed to Obama that was incorporated into Obamacare.

Individual mandate.


[/quote]You talking about the 2010 election landslide shellacking Obama, you mean the will of the people stating we don't like Obama's failed policies.
NO, I mean the radical right taking advantage of serious funding, voter dissatisfaction, to put on the dog and pony show. This marked a 90 degree turn to the far right in policy making. There are literally dozens of things the republican party used to endorse, that they utterly reject now. Individual mandates being just one glaring example.

The key word, "almost" is not good enough.

Huh? don't be absurd. the same people who drafted romneycare, drafted obamacare. "Almost" means minor variations or are you familiar with more substantive differences? The fact is, that in order to get elected the republican romney rejects his crowning political achievement.

The 2010 election was a strong voice against Obamacare and his failed policies. I know you want to ignore all this 2010 stuff.

It would be foolish to ignore reality. The democrats did a lousy job of campaigning, the economy was still in the tank, the lies about obamacare were thick, and a whole bunch of republicans got elected because their constituents thought obama was a kenyan/muslim/marxist/traitor. What the republican base will swallow......


As I said, the Dem's controlled all three houses of government, key world "controlled" they could pass any legislation they wanted anytime they wanted.
In congress yes, in the senate no.

And I guess you don't understand what caused the collapse of some of Europe's countries. Debt, socialism, unions, pensions, entitlements, giveaways, etc.

The trigger for the collapse was the derivative fiasco and wall street on the verge of collapse. I guess you don't understand how the global financial market works. Damn twitchy. Lenders were terrified and in one swell foop capital dried up and individual countries on the Euro, did not have the control of monetary policy to help them thru. No ability to independently raise money, not way of getting cash quickly, the dominos start to fall. Certainly in some european countries the excesses of socialism exacerbated the problem. Greece being the prime example of the proletariat run wild. It certainly didn't help that Goldman Sachs cooked the books to enable greece to enter the EU - they made money, but it pretty muched doomed greece to economic collapse. We do see an incredible false sense of entitlement on display in greece, where they riot for being deprived of services that they can't pay for. Its a long long way from the US, but given perhaps another 20 years of trillion dollar deficits and voila!

Thanks to the Supreme Court making a penalty a tax.
Oh you mean SCOTUS interpreted the law wrt the individual mandate? Gee who'd a thunk its legal.


You mean like Walker did, and the union spent millions trying to oust Walker that got elected a second time. You don't like elections, where the people liked what Walker did and elected him again for doing so.

Yes quite the failure for democrats in the state. Of course walker and his friends around the country spent even more. He won it fair and square and has proceeded, court challenges notwithstanding - iirc there's still a few yet to be settled.


Are you saying you are OK with voter fraud?

Nope not at all. What I am saying is that there hasn't been but a handful of cases of in person voter fraud ever recorded (at least in modern times). I think it perfectly acceptable for voters to have to present ID to vote, but what I do find to be unacceptable is to ram the legislation thru just prior to these elections and curtailing early voting time that favoured democratic voters. To avoid this requirement to be a poll tax, the state governments should provide voters with free id.
The poor and the elderly who may not have appropriate documentation (birth certificate, drivers license) should not have to pay to get an acceptable form of id. the states should put the program in place and ensure that all citizens are aware of exactly where to go and how to get their voter id. After this election the states can spend the next two years preparing the electorate to eliminate this miniscule level of voter fraud. - helluvan expense for wiping out 20 or 30 instances, but hey.....

Like Walker, Chris Christie, Mitch Daniels, John Kasich and the like
undoubtedly being a concerned politician trying to solve problems is the exclusive domain of neither party.

Give me a break, Obama told you everything you want to hear and you sucked him up hook line and sinker. "I'll cut the deficit in half" just for starters.

I guess the notion of events overtaking promises is foreign to you. Or is it that you will except this reality for republicans but not democrats?
 
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