AWVSM - The Racial-Over-Affirmative-Action-Representation-Rule Initiative

Kurmugeon · Oct 20, 2012

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The American White Voters Solidarity Movement has now defined its first legislative initiative:

ROAARR

or the

Racial-Over-Affirmative-Action-Representation-Rule

is the first a number of legislative reforms to be put forth to bring justice and equality back to American Employment and Education.

In short, ROAARR uses the census measures of percentage of America population by race (or any other "protected" group), and any organization which has a 30% or greater representation of a given "Designated Minority" group would be prohibited from continuing Affirmative Action for that group in any way.

For instance, Blacks are currently 13% of the U.S. population, yet they hold 18 percent of all federal jobs.

Clearly there is no need to further give Blacks a special preference in gaining federal employment.

If they were just achieving parity, or 13% of all federal jobs were held by Blacks, Affirmative Action would be an injustice, but to continue the policy when they are grossly over-represented is beyond un-just, it is a violation of the 14th amendment rights of non-Blacks.

The Math: 13% of Population times 1.3 (130%) = 16.9%. So when Blacks reached the level of 16.9% of federal employment, the ROAARR Legislation would prohibit all forms of Affirmative Action in Federal Hiring and Retention.

The same policy would apply to ALL races, ethnicities, genders, sexual preferences, political ideologies, religions...

Some will claim this will add greatly to government regulation of employment, but what ROAARR does is turn off the current Pandering Preferences allowing the employer to hire whoever is best suited for the job.

This Legislation does not prohibit any agency or employer from hiring a person of the no long Affirmative Action Pandered to group; it just says they cannot be give special preference, points, assistance, status or recruitment efforts based on Affirmative Action.

This Legislation does not give special preferences to White Americans, just removes the preferences given to others when it is clearly no longer needed. If a particular group, such as White Males is under represented in a given area of employement, such as pre-school caretakers, this Legislation does NOT create a new set of preferences for their attaining jobs there.

The ROAARR Legislation is not able to create Preferences, it is only enabled to shut them down.

Now I realize that the very concept of this Legislation will throw Liberals into fits, but they’ve been raiding Low-Mid Income White Americans for Opportunities which have been used for Racial Pandering for forty years too long.

In the long term, it is actually Blacks and other “Designated Minorities” who will benefit the most from ROAARR, because it will allow them to be judged on their merit, and treated with true equality. This will allow the best of their citizens to stand with pride alongside all others competing for jobs, scholarships, internships and other benefits based on having merit or need, rather than just Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination.

Only a true racist could support continuing Affirmative Action when there is already a 30% over-representation of the given “Minority” group.

When President Romney takes office, the American White Voters Solidarity Movement will be submitting the ROAARR Legislation for consideration by congress in 2013.

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Diogenes · Oct 20, 2012

All racial preferences should be shut down. Period.

Kurmugeon · Oct 21, 2012

Diogenes said:
All racial preferences should be shut down. Period.

I wish that's the way it could be done, but the Liberals have created a multi-billion dollar industry out of racial preference complete with college degrees in the subject.

The only way you're ever going to even get started in dismantling the racial preference bureaucracy is to start with an open and shut case of this is no longer fair or needed.

Well, starting with those areas of employment where the "Designated Minority" group is already heavily over represented is something that might just be able to be passed.

Remember, it was the activist courts which created Affirmative Action, and they certainly are not going to undo it. That only leaves using the elected legislature to undo what never should have been done by the courts.

Well, at the time of Affirmative Action’s creation, the justification used for the Government getting into the Racism business, was that "Designated Minorities" were under represented in important segments of society.

This Initiative is designed to attack that false justification at its core, taking away any sense of justification the courts might have once had. We ONLY go after those areas of Racial Preferences where there is clearly no longer any reason to be implementing them, such as Blacks in Federal Jobs.

Once we have set a precedent of undoing some of the racial preferences machinery, more will follow...

Jonsa · Oct 21, 2012

Kurmugeon said:
I wish that's the way it could be done, but the Liberals have created a multi-billion dollar industry out of racial preference complete with college degrees in the subject.

The only way you're ever going to even get started in dismantling the racial preference bureaucracy is to start with an open and shut case of this is no longer fair or needed.

Well, starting with those areas of employment where the "Designated Minority" group is already heavily over represented is something that might just be able to be passed.

Remember, it was the activist courts which created Affirmative Action, and they certainly are not going to undo it. That only leaves using the elected legislature to undo what never should have been done by the courts.

Well, at the time of Affirmative Action’s creation, the justification used for the Government getting into the Racism business, was that "Designated Minorities" were under represented in important segments of society.

This Initiative is designed to attack that false justification at its core, taking away any sense of justification the courts might have once had. We ONLY go after those areas of Racial Preferences where there is clearly no longer any reason to be implementing them, such as Blacks in Federal Jobs.

Once we have set a precedent of undoing some of the racial preferences machinery, more will follow...

hey, if i join AWVSM, do I get one of those cool pointed hats with the eyeholes and the robe?

Kurmugeon · Oct 21, 2012

Jonsa said:
hey, if i join AWVSM, do I get one of those cool pointed hats with the eyeholes and the robe?

Do you really find EQUALITY so scary?

Black Dog · Oct 21, 2012

Kurmugeon said:
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The American White Voters Solidarity Movement has now defined its first legislative initiative:

ROAARR

or the

Racial-Over-Affirmative-Action-Representation-Rule

is the first a number of legislative reforms to be put forth to bring justice and equality back to American Employment and Education.

In short, ROAARR uses the census measures of percentage of America population by race (or any other "protected" group), and any organization which has a 30% or greater representation of a given "Designated Minority" group would be prohibited from continuing Affirmative Action for that group in any way.

For instance, Blacks are currently 13% of the U.S. population, yet they hold 18 percent of all federal jobs.

Clearly there is no need to further give Blacks a special preference in gaining federal employment.

If they were just achieving parity, or 13% of all federal jobs were held by Blacks, Affirmative Action would be an injustice, but to continue the policy when they are grossly over-represented is beyond un-just, it is a violation of the 14th amendment rights of non-Blacks.

The Math: 13% of Population times 1.3 (130%) = 16.9%. So when Blacks reached the level of 16.9% of federal employment, the ROAARR Legislation would prohibit all forms of Affirmative Action in Federal Hiring and Retention.

The same policy would apply to ALL races, ethnicities, genders, sexual preferences, political ideologies, religions...

Some will claim this will add greatly to government regulation of employment, but what ROAARR does is turn off the current Pandering Preferences allowing the employer to hire whoever is best suited for the job.

This Legislation does not prohibit any agency or employer from hiring a person of the no long Affirmative Action Pandered to group; it just says they cannot be give special preference, points, assistance, status or recruitment efforts based on Affirmative Action.

This Legislation does not give special preferences to White Americans, just removes the preferences given to others when it is clearly no longer needed. If a particular group, such as White Males is under represented in a given area of employement, such as pre-school caretakers, this Legislation does NOT create a new set of preferences for their attaining jobs there.

The ROAARR Legislation is not able to create Preferences, it is only enabled to shut them down.

Now I realize that the very concept of this Legislation will throw Liberals into fits, but they’ve been raiding Low-Mid Income White Americans for Opportunities which have been used for Racial Pandering for forty years too long.

In the long term, it is actually Blacks and other “Designated Minorities” who will benefit the most from ROAARR, because it will allow them to be judged on their merit, and treated with true equality. This will allow the best of their citizens to stand with pride alongside all others competing for jobs, scholarships, internships and other benefits based on having merit or need, rather than just Government Institutionalized Racial Discrimination.

Only a true racist could support continuing Affirmative Action when there is already a 30% over-representation of the given “Minority” group.

When President Romney takes office, the American White Voters Solidarity Movement will be submitting the ROAARR Legislation for consideration by congress in 2013.

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Here is a crazy idea...

Why don't we just enforce the anti discrimination laws we already have? I mean really AA is nothing but smoke and mirrors to begin with. It is a series of laws from the federal level down to local protecting the rights of all races and sexes etc. It as one law does not exist. Race, sex etc is already not supposed to be part of anyone's hiring practice. Schools sometimes give minority's extra consideration to keep a more diverse culture in the classroom, but it does not require special laws, laws that we already have anyway.

This would just be a waist of time. I mean it does not sound bad, don't get me wrong. It is however an incredible waist of time and effort when we have bigger fish to fry. If you find a company or school you feel is discriminating, you take them to court. Pretty simple as plenty of lawyers take those cases for free.

Kurmugeon · Oct 21, 2012

Blackdog said:
Here is a crazy idea...

Why don't we just enforce the anti discrimination laws we already have? I mean really AA is nothing but smoke and mirrors to begin with. It is a series of laws from the federal level down to local protecting the rights of all races and sexes etc. It as one law does not exist. Race, sex etc is already not supposed to be part of anyone's hiring practice. Schools sometimes give minority's extra consideration to keep a more diverse culture in the classroom, but it does not require special laws, laws that we already have anyway.

This would just be a waist of time. I mean it does not sound bad, don't get me wrong. It is however an incredible waist of time and effort when we have bigger fish to fry. If you find a company or school you feel is discriminating, you take them to court. Pretty simple as plenty of lawyers take those cases for free.

But we DO give special racial preferences to non-Whites all day long!

Discrimination against Whites in Federal Employment | The Occidental Observer - White Identity, Interests, and Culture

Discrimination against Whites in Federal Employment

Though 10 percent of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 percent of U.S. government workers. They are 25 percent of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 percent of the State Department, 37 percent of Department of Education employees and 38 percent of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 percent of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 percent of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 percent at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.

When the Obama administration suggested shutting down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage giants whose losses of $150 billion have had to be made up by taxpayers, The Washington Post warned, in a story headlined, “Winding Down Fannie and Freddie Could Put Minority Careers at Risk,” that 44 percent of Fannie employees and 50 percent of Freddie’s were persons of color.

Here's just one response to that thread:

Steve

July 14, 2011 - 2:29 pm |

I applied at the West Haven CT VA Hospital numerous times for computer skill openings I was well qualified; 20% disabled vet, BS degree, 10 years computer experience, but was denied each and every time and in the back on my mind I knew being White was the reason. And I knew race was a factor since the abundant number of Black employees was obvious, but the stats of the number of Black emlpoyees in government jobs was unknown to me. Seeing these stats now is daunting. I’m sure the US Postal Service is just as discouraging. I lawsuit is long overdue.

Question: How are you going to use Laws to undo something the COURTS put in place?

Answer: The same way any meaningful legal reform has EVER been done, by holding the Legislators and Judges accountable at the Ballot Box.

The whole point of this Initiative is to start knocking off areas where racial preferences are allowed to be implemented, a small chunk at a time.

Look, Politics is the Art of Herding Cats!

You're not going to get anywhere trying to blanket eleminate what has become a Billion dollar Racial Preferences Industry in one fell chop.

You have to start moving the mountanous heap of filth one shovel at a time. And you pick your first shovel where you don't have to stand in the slop to reach it.

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zimmer · Oct 21, 2012

Jonsa said:
hey, if i join AWVSM, do I get one of those cool pointed hats with the eyeholes and the robe?

You knew that knee-jerk post was coming.

Ask Thomas Sowell... he studied Affirmative Action.

Thomas Sowell recently concluded a study of affirmative action programs around the world, from India and Malaysia to Nigeria and the United States. His findings? Such programs have at best a negligible impact on the groups they are intended to assist.
Affirmative Action around the World | Hoover Institution

tererun · Oct 21, 2012

I hope someday AA is no longer needed. A while ago I actually thought AA was pointless and worked against white people as reverse discrimination. Of course i lived in NY around NYC growing up so we had blacks and browner people around. It wasn't odd and the only people who were racist were considered stupid white supremist asses anyway. So I used tro agree it was uneccesary. Then I saw more of America. It is not as bad as it was, but there is still latent racism all about, and the preference of white business owners would be to hire only whites in many places if affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws were not present.

It is not like these people who are latently racist are mostly aware of their racism. They don't run around hasseling blacks, or even wish much ill will on them. it is just that they prefer whites and that would lead to a big disadvantage to black people and other minorities. This has become even more evident with Obama being president. At first when he was elected I though a huge blow had been dealth to racism. Brown people could see that they could reach all the way to the top, and white people had supported him. Then I saw the crap that was dished out on him by the birthers and faux news. Racism is still very present, and the backlash to Obama has shown that there is still a lot of it about. I am not saying all the dislike of obama is racist, but there is a lot of racism in there when i look at the bull he has been put through and the disrespect he has received that would have never been shown to a white president.

So no i cannot yet support the tearing down of Affirmative action. Don't blame black people for that because it rests squarely on the shoulders of racist whites and all the white people who hear and see it and turn a blind eye to it every day. Until white people are willing to fight against racism and prejudice towards black and drive it into the shadows I will support things like affirmative action no matter how they might effect a couple of whites on the lazy side of the middle.

tererun · Oct 21, 2012

zimmer said:
You knew that knee-jerk post was coming.

Ask Thomas Sowell... he studied Affirmative Action.

Oh yeah. let me ask one white guy who has never lived with prejudice who i have no idea if he is a hidden racist himself. Sorry man, I have heard way to many experts who have said some really stupid things despite being experts in their field. We have experts saying it is good to force the gay out of people. We have experts who say slavery was good for black people. We have experts who say being gay or transgendered is like being a pedophile. Sorry, but experts and their studies don't convince me when I clearly see the effects of racism still out there. Affirmative action may not kill off racism or even do a great job at fighting it, but it is something.

Kurmugeon · Oct 21, 2012

zimmer said:
You knew that knee-jerk post was coming.

Ask Thomas Sowell... he studied Affirmative Action.

Yes, I knew it was coming, and more will follow no doubt. I expect someday somebody will put a bullet through my head for my opinions and ideas. Meh, I have never backed away from doing what is just.

I am particularly fond of Ward Connerly.

To quote one person from the earlier Link:

Enigmatic

July 15, 2011 - 12:29 am |

The American Civil Rights Institute established by Ward Connerly and Dusty Rhodes (President of National Review), in 1996 is dedicated to the removal of affirmative action laws. But since the media promotes this group whenever it highlights affirmative action cases in the news as “the other side” of the debate….and since affirmative action is alive and well in America, I doubt this organization is sincere in its efforts.
The media would never give air time to a serious group exacting real change in this arena. They’d rather give a voice to perm pimp Al Sharpton and his band of ravenous race racketeers.

The point of the ROAARR Initiative is to NOT try to take on ALL of the Racial Preferences Industry in one bite, but rather to nip it around the edges, showing its fallacies and vulnerabilities to all, but particularly to Politicians.

Show that SOME Affirmative Action is Unjust and Damaging, and soon everyone is questioning ALL of Racial Preferences.

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zimmer · Oct 21, 2012

tererun said:
Oh yeah. let me ask one white guy who has never lived with prejudice who i have no idea if he is a hidden racist himself. Sorry man, I have heard way to many experts who have said some really stupid things despite being experts in their field. We have experts saying it is good to force the gay out of people. We have experts who say slavery was good for black people. We have experts who say being gay or transgendered is like being a pedophile. Sorry, but experts and their studies don't convince me when I clearly see the effects of racism still out there. Affirmative action may not kill off racism or even do a great job at fighting it, but it is something.

It is something that is detrimental.
Thomas Sowell isn't some freak that happened to come to these conclusions while sitting in the bathtub.
Try reading and listening to the info linked.
Try.
Then try reading the book linked in my signature line. It's free so there is no reason not to try.
You just might learn something.

Here is another link to assist with your education... for what you seem to foment is not helping matters.

The Grand Fraud: Affirmative Action for Blacks
Thomas Sowell

When any policy can only be defended by lies and duplicity, there is something fundamentally wrong with that policy. Virtually every argument in favor of affirmative action is demonstrably false. It is the grand fraud of our time.

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2003/04/the-grand-fraud-affirmative-action-for-blacks/

Black Dog · Oct 21, 2012

Kurmugeon said:
But we DO give special racial preferences to non-Whites all day long!

Then take them to court? How hard is that? I can tell you story's of discrimination just as bad from the opposite side in the private sector so you get no sympathy from me. I mean the poor down trodden white man thing gets old fast. In fact to someone like me it is just as silly as the white man is holding me down crap.

Kurmugeon said:
Discrimination against Whites in Federal Employment | The Occidental Observer - White Identity, Interests, and Culture

Ummmm... I don't know. When Pat Buchanan is hailed as some kind of hero by this ahem.. publication, I will assume they have an agenda at best.

Kurmugeon said:
Here's just one response to that thread:

I worked for years in corporate America. I can say with all honesty the "good old boy network" is alive and well. So again, no sympathy from me. Don't like it? Take them to court like other people have successfully done. We don't need to waist time and effort on useless legislation AGAIN we already have.

Kurmugeon said:
Question: How are you going to use Laws to undo something the COURTS put in place?

You don't, the laws say you can't discriminate based on race etc. If you have proof a school or business is doing this, you take them to court.

Kurmugeon said:
Answer: The same way any meaningful legal reform has EVER been done, by holding the Legislators and Judges accountable at the Ballot Box.

That is another way. Does not support the sweeping useless legislation this organization is proposing.

Kurmugeon said:
The whole point of this Initiative is to start knocking off areas where racial preferences are allowed to be implemented, a small chunk at a time.

It's already happening without a whole new battery of laws...

White Employee Wins Racial-Discrimination Lawsuit - DiversityInc
race discrimination : Employee Rights Post
Case 46: Reverse Discrimination Against Philly School White Employees

The list goes on and on.

Kurmugeon said:
Look, Politics is the Art of Herding Cats!

You're not going to get anywhere trying to blanket eleminate what has become a Billion dollar Racial Preferences Industry in one fell chop.
You have to start moving the B.S. one shovel at a time. And you pick your first shovel where you don't have to stand in the slop to reach it.
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I have already shown you don't literally even know what affirmative action is, let alone that we need sweeping new laws to combat what ahem, we already have.

tererun · Oct 21, 2012

So AWVSM must equal American whiners voting some more. Sounds a little more accurate to me. If you can't get a job as an educated white guy you are screwed up. Don't blame black people, you have a problem. You might, and that is a small might, miss out on a opportunity, but you are not being held down. Stop blaming black people for you not being able to get ahead. Seriously, if i can make it up to being an expert in my field with my school record, you certainly can. I god bad grades because I was lazy. I did not want to be in school. I got by just on the fact I took tests well. I dropped out of thee colleges, and one of them was a community college. My education was a wreck. I still managed to make it up to being a network engineer, and the only help I ever had was my dad gave me a reference to work in a warehouse putting ram chips in routers. That was the big break my family connections got me, and the rest i did on my own, with a crappy education record and all. I had long hair, hated to wear a suit, and at the time got horribly nervous during real interviews and turned bright red for the entire thing. In the view of anyone who didn't know me I was a long hair lazy kid who couldn't even get through a community college, and I made it. So don't give me this bull that you can't make it because of black people. You have white skin you already have benmefits. If people are not promoting you or hiring you it is because of weaknesses you have. believe me, they are not fighting over black people to give them the world.

this stupid idea that somehow blacks are getting a free ride because of AA is just an excuse by lazy good for nothing white guys.

tererun · Oct 21, 2012

zimmer said:
It is something that is detrimental.
Thomas Sowell isn't some freak that happened to come to these conclusions while sitting in the bathtub.
Try reading and listening to the info linked.
Try.
Then try reading the book linked in my signature line. It's free so there is no reason not to try.
You just might learn something.

I know the problems with it, and yes it is not a great solution, but it is something. Without it there is nothing, and that is worse. Come up with a good system that keeps white people from having their racism interfere with hiring and promotion and promote that. For right now this is what we have and just letting it go without anything is worse than this so get over it.

RabidAlpaca · Oct 21, 2012

tererun said:
this stupid idea that somehow blacks are getting a free ride because of AA is just an excuse by lazy good for nothing white guys.

I'm not unsuccessful in my life, and yet I still don't think we should be giving ANY race preferential treatment for ANY reason.

One of my friends was directly turned down for a job because the company needed to hire a minority.

I for one subscribe to the crazy notion that we should treat everyone equally and hire the best person for the job and not try to meet quotas or give little boosts to any racial group.

zimmer · Oct 21, 2012

tererun said:
I know the problems with it, and yes it is not a great solution, but it is something. Without it there is nothing, and that is worse. Come up with a good system that keeps white people from having their racism interfere with hiring and promotion and promote that. For right now this is what we have and just letting it go without anything is worse than this so get over it.

This is the problem with ignorance. Affirmative Action it is not a good system (except for black millionaires), it is a devastating system.

The ghettos... they are the product of Lib-Socialism... just like the government created ghettos outside of Paris and other major cities.

Here is what you failed to scratch the surface on:

What of the idea that affirmative action has helped blacks rise out of poverty and is needed to continue that rise? A far higher proportion of blacks in poverty rose out of poverty in the 20 years between 1940 and 1960 — that is, before any major federal civil rights legislation — than in the more than 40 years since then. This trend continued in the 1960s, at a slower pace. The decade of the 1970s — the first affirmative action decade — saw virtually no change in the poverty rate among blacks.

In other words, most blacks lifted themselves out of poverty but liberal politicians and black “leaders” have claimed credit. One side effect is that many whites wonder why blacks cannot lift themselves out of poverty like other groups, when that is in fact what most blacks have done.

Affirmative action is great for black millionaires but it has done little or nothing for most people in the ghetto. Most minority business owners who get preferences in government contracts have net worths of more than one million dollars.

One of the big barriers to any rational discussion of affirmative action is that many of those who are for or against it are for or against the theory or the rationales behind group preferences and quotas. As for facts, the defenders simply lie.

The Grand Fraud: Affirmative Action for Blacks | Capitalism Magazine

Or are ignorant and would like to stay that way.

Kurmugeon · Oct 21, 2012

zimmer said:
This is the problem with ignorance. Affirmative Action it is not a good system (except for black millionaires), it is a devastating system.

The ghettos... they are the product of Lib-Socialism... just like the government created ghettos outside of Paris and other major cities.

Here is what you failed to scratch the surface on:

Or are ignorant and would like to stay that way.

I Understand what you are saying here, and don't specifically disagree with any of it. AA certainly does affect the upper middle class when it comes to things like government contracts. Given the fact that the Government is taking over more and more functions and sectors of our society, it must put a crimp on businessmen trying to achieve by merit.

But if an upper middle class businessman doesn't get a particular contract, his life won't be reduced to a lifelong status of poverty.

If a young, intelligent, good-hearted White American from a Low-Mid Income background applies to enter a college or get a scholarship, and is snubbed because of his skin color, it will very likely end in a lifetime of working at the lowest levels of pay and seeing his children limited to the meager opportunities his poverty can provide.

I contend that the impact on Low-Income, poor background White Males is where Affirmative Action has done the greatest harm and injustice.

But the waste of the valuable human resource of an motivated, intelligent, talented, young man, and the damage done by often putting a truly un-qualified, but politically correct person into a critical job such as an engineer, doctor or manager, it far more impacting on ALL of American Society.

Have you stopped to consider WHY America seems in capable of competing in the global market in areas such as consumer electronics design and manufacturing.

In the 1960s we INVENTED the whole industry, in 2012, we can't design and build a cell phone. Even Apple has started to outsource allot of its software and design functions to other countries.

It is not that America doesn't have talented people, it is that a good number of them are working as wage slaves, never given the opportunity to get the education needed to achieve their potential just because of the color of their skin.

Worse, Corporations trying to do research, engineering and manufacturing here in the United States are forced, by threat of "Discrimination" lawsuits, and by a large portion of the truly talented people lacking formal education, to hire people who are both inept, poor in work ethic, and low on talent.

Why would any sensible Corporate CEO choose to setup a 100 Billion dollar invest in a factory or research/design facility in such a country?

Affirmative Action on personal level affects Low-Income White Males severely, but it hampers ALL of our nation by the sheer waste of Human Resources.

A mind is terrible thing to waste, even when it’s behind those Devil Blue Eyes and Pasty Pale Face.

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Jonsa · Oct 21, 2012

Kurmugeon said:
Do you really find EQUALITY so scary?

gimme a break.

All this white man getting the shaft is nothing more than racism hiding behind a false "equality" argument.

Kurmugeon · Oct 21, 2012

Jonsa said:
gimme a break.

All this white man getting the shaft is nothing more than racism hiding behind a false "equality" argument.

Why should I give you anything?

So far, the only thing you've shown is a hostility toward anyone who defends White Americans or views them as anything other than Racist Criminals.

You slander my motives and goals without the slightest shread of evidence.

How would you feel if Martin Luther King was treated this way by ALL whites?

I am exactly what I say I am, and my motives and goals are what I state they are, you do not have the right to define them. That is the civility and respect that is refered to in the motto of these forums.

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johnny_rebson · Oct 21, 2012

Jonsa said:
gimme a break.

All this white man getting the shaft is nothing more than racism hiding behind a false "equality" argument.

You are so living in the past.

Racism no longer exists, except against peoples who deserve it.

Kurmugeon · Oct 23, 2012

johnny_rebson said:
You are so living in the past.

Racism no longer exists, except against peoples who deserve it.

Explain to me why someone would "Deserve" to be treated to racism?

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