"War on Women?"

I'm curious as to where this rhetoric is coming from. It's being tossed around Democrat circles about the Republicans, which in turn is being smeared across the entire Conservative spectrum.

How do the Republicans, or a Conservative approach, impose a "war" on the female gender?

P.S. - Just to clarify, this "War on Women" simply cannot be about the issue of abortion and be taken seriously. We can talk it, but to call this already existing issue a "War on Women" is more of a stretch than putting on your high school prom dress.

ImVotingRonPaul said:

P.S. - Just to clarify, this "War on Women" simply cannot be about the issue of abortion and be taken seriously. We can talk it, but to call this already existing issue a "War on Women" is more of a stretch than putting on your high school prom dress.

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Well, you are right, there are many issues as well as abortion. There is the issue of equal pay for women. There is the issue of a woman's right to vote. There is the issue of women who want to work, but are expected to stay at home and cook, clean, and make babies. There is the issue of women being treated inferior to men.

Women have rights, and those rights are threatened by the Romney-Ryan ticket. He will not let a woman have the right to choose (by over turning Roe vs Wade). He is not about women getting equal pay (it's been proven the women he hired in Massachusetts did not make the same wages as men).

I know how I feel about his sexism. I'm interested to hear what the women have to say on this.

helix2048 said:

Well, you are right, there are many issues as well as abortion. There is the issue of equal pay for women. There is the issue of a woman's right to vote. There is the issue of women who want to work, but are expected to stay at home and cook, clean, and make babies. There is the issue of women being treated inferior to men.

Women have rights, and those rights are threatened by the Romney-Ryan ticket. He will not let a woman have the right to choose (by over turning Roe vs Wade). He is not about women getting equal pay (it's been proven the women he hired in Massachusetts did not make the same wages as men).

I know how I feel about his sexism. I'm interested to hear what the women have to say on this.

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umm.. overturning RvW doesn't negate a woman's right to choose.... and really, there is really nothing the President can do in regards to overturning RvW
a SCOTUS case can overturn it.. or Congress can pass a law.... but El Presidente can't do much beyond signing a law into effect.


...the "war on women" is nonsense political rhetoric.

ImVotingRonPaul said:

I'm curious as to where this rhetoric is coming from. It's being tossed around Democrat circles about the Republicans, which in turn is being smeared across the entire Conservative spectrum.

How do the Republicans, or a Conservative approach, impose a "war" on the female gender?

P.S. - Just to clarify, this "War on Women" simply cannot be about the issue of abortion and be taken seriously. We can talk it, but to call this already existing issue a "War on Women" is more of a stretch than putting on your high school prom dress.

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all sorts of stuff is described as the "war on women"... like not providing free birth control... or not mandating insurance companies to cover birth control.

also some real issue, like abortion, and equal pay ( equal pay is really a non issue anymore(the facts don't support the rhetoric on the issue any longer)



overall, it's just political rhetoric utilized to scare women into voting for Democrats

Thrilla said:

umm.. overturning RvW doesn't negate a woman's right to choose.... and really, there is really nothing the President can do in regards to overturning RvW
a SCOTUS case can overturn it.. or Congress can pass a law.... but El Presidente can't do much beyond signing a law into effect.


...the "war on women" is nonsense political rhetoric.

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I am a woman and also a conservative (for the most part, most being the key word) - I concur with your statement that "war on women" is nonsense political rhetoric. I also get sick to my stomach hearing these crying women from women's rights groups. I find most of them pathetic and just looking for someone to blame for what hasn't gone right in their lives. I have no sympathy for them.

Thrilla said:

umm.. overturning RvW doesn't negate a woman's right to choose.... and really, there is really nothing the President can do in regards to overturning RvW
a SCOTUS case can overturn it.. or Congress can pass a law.... but El Presidente can't do much beyond signing a law into effect.

...the "war on women" is nonsense political rhetoric.

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You are incorrect. Overturning Roe vs Wade makes it illegal to have an abortion. So it does take away a woman's right to choose. Romney would have that power since the next elected president gets to decide on future supreme court justices.

helix2048 said:

There is the issue of equal pay for women.

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Definitely an issue, but I'm not sure as to what you're pointing to on either platform. Do the Republicans have policies that single out women to be paid less? Does Obama have policies that advocate for women being paid more? Lily Ledbetter only delt with a loophole and interpretation, not overall pay for women.

helix2048 said:

There is the issue of a woman's right to vote.

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I don't think anyone is saying women don't have the right to vote. I have to ask, did you just add that on to make your list longer?

helix2048 said:

There is the issue of women who want to work, but are expected to stay at home and cook, clean, and make babies.

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How is this an issue as far as the powers of President, and governing bodies in general? Some women like being the runners of the household. Others who don't certainly aren't forced to be that role. Are you saying the women are being forced to accept staying at home to do house duties and make babies?

helix2048 said:

There is the issue of women being treated inferior to men.

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Is there any policy by the Democrats that fights this? Any policy of the Republicans that continues it?

helix2048 said:

He will not let a woman have the right to choose (by over turning Roe vs Wade).

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Abortion isn't strictly an issue dealing with women, it's about when human life exists. To label it as a women's issue is misleading to say the least. That's why including abortion in the "War on Women" isn't much intellectually honest.

helix2048 said:

He is not about women getting equal pay (it's been proven the women he hired in Massachusetts did not make the same wages as men).

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So his policy on the platform advocates to keep this existing but every shrinking disparity? Is this an uncommon occurrance in today's business world? Are yous aying Romney would fight to change wages in government so that the they differ based on which gender holds the position?

Uh, I smell a religionist, anti-abortion troll thread. :beatdeadhorse

ImVotingRonPaul said:

I'm curious as to where this rhetoric is coming from. It's being tossed around Democrat circles about the Republicans, which in turn is being smeared across the entire Conservative spectrum.

How do the Republicans, or a Conservative approach, impose a "war" on the female gender?

P.S. - Just to clarify, this "War on Women" simply cannot be about the issue of abortion and be taken seriously. We can talk it, but to call this already existing issue a "War on Women" is more of a stretch than putting on your high school prom dress.

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Because until President Obama took office, women couldn't have abortions and didn't have access to birth control. If women don't vote for Obama and Romney gets elected? Women will lose their right to abortion and won't have access to birth control. Just like it was under George Bush.

helix2048 said:

You are incorrect. Overturning Roe vs Wade makes it illegal to have an abortion. So it does take away a woman's right to choose. Romney would have that power since the next elected president gets to decide on future supreme court justices.

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no.. overturning RvW does make abortion illegal.... that is a misunderstanding of the case entirely.

now, it can result in abortion becoming illegal in states that choose to make it illegal... and it would have no effect on states that choose to keep abortion legal.

yes, Romney could choose a justice... but without a case to challenge RvW, his choice really doesn't mean much.
( interestingly enough, this is the same line of argument used against Obama in regards to gun rights... that he might not be doing anything directly, but his SCOTUS choices are seen as an anti-gun rights move)

MaggieD said:

Because until President Obama took office, women couldn't have abortions and didn't have access to birth control. If women don't vote for Obama and Romney gets elected? Women will lose their right to abortion and won't have access to birth control. Just like it was under George Bush.

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:lol:..........

It's just a silly catch phrase to get the stupidest of my gender to vote Democrat because those eeeeeeeevil woman-haters in the Republican Party want to take away their rights.

Women.... we're smarter than that, aren't we?

MaggieD said:

Because until President Obama took office, women couldn't have abortions and didn't have access to birth control. If women don't vote for Obama and Romney gets elected? Women will lose their right to abortion and won't have access to birth control. Just like it was under George Bush.

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I realise you are being sarcastic Maggie but those are the positions that are presently advocated by the GOP and Romney.

Romney has said he opposed the Lily Ledbetter Act.

The GOP is pushing the idea that employers can decide whether their employee insurance will cover birth control

I have posted several times about Tea bagger types who think the 19th Amendment was a bad idea

Women ARE still paid less than men for equal work

Paul Ryan has taken the following stances with regard to abortion. He has clearly stated that he wants to ban abortion even in in the circumstance of rape. He has voted for legislation that would have let hospitals refuse abortion even when the mothers life is in danger. He also sponsored legislation where he tried to quibble with the concept of "forcible rape".

Being against abortion does not automatically equate to the "war on women", but Ryan has made it quite clear he has no concern for the mother's well-being even in the most extreme of circumstance. This is from the current Republican Vice-Presidential candidate. On the broader level, you can find Todd Akin "legitimate rape" statement or Bob McDonnel promoting state sponsored rape with mandatory transvaginal ultrasounds.

Somerville said:

I realise you are being sarcastic Maggie but those are the positions that are presently advocated by the GOP and Romney.

Romney has said he opposed the Lily Ledbetter Act.

The GOP is pushing the idea that employers can decide whether their employee insurance will cover birth control

I have posted several times about Tea bagger types who think the 19th Amendment was a bad idea

Women ARE still paid less than men for equal work

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Paraphrased, "He wouldn't have signed it had he been President." Perhaps. Perhaps he would have. Frankly, I think it shouldn't have to have been made a law. So I would definitely disagree with him on that. But if any supporter of a candidate for the presidency says, "I support everything he says and everything he says he's going to do," I think, frankly, they'd be lying. JMVHO.

The GOP is pushing that employers candecide whether their employee insurance will cover birth control: Well, that's the way it is now. No employer at the present time is forced to cover birth control in their health insurance coverage. My GOD!!! It was even like that under Clinton. The bastard!! I agree with him there, frankly. If it goes against someone's conscience to include birth control in coverage (as it does in the Catholic Church, as an example), I think management should be able to decide not to cover it. That doesn't make it any less accessible than it is today, yesterday, last year, or five years ago.

Teabaggers (the extreme faction of them) are idiots. Who cares? There are people who think blacks having the right to vote is a bad idea. (And there'd probably be plenty of Democrats on that list, all tolled.)

The women are paid less than men for equal work yapping? I don't see that as a problem. There are many reasons why women wouldn't earn the same as men -- including the types of jobs they apply for, their negotiating skills and their career paths.

Somerville said:

I realise you are being sarcastic Maggie but those are the positions that are presently advocated by the GOP and Romney.

Romney has said he opposed the Lily Ledbetter Act.

The GOP is pushing the idea that employers can decide whether their employee insurance will cover birth control

I have posted several times about Tea bagger types who think the 19th Amendment was a bad idea

Women ARE still paid less than men for equal work

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I think you need a better understanding about why the Republicans opposed the lily ledbetter act...it had nothing to do with equal pay or women's rights ( in fact, the act itself is gender neutral, as it lawfully must be )

ImVotingRonPaul said:

I'm curious as to where this rhetoric is coming from. It's being tossed around Democrat circles about the Republicans, which in turn is being smeared across the entire Conservative spectrum.

How do the Republicans, or a Conservative approach, impose a "war" on the female gender?

P.S. - Just to clarify, this "War on Women" simply cannot be about the issue of abortion and be taken seriously. We can talk it, but to call this already existing issue a "War on Women" is more of a stretch than putting on your high school prom dress.

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It's interesting to compare the so-called "war on women" and the so-called "war on Christians." Conservatives oppose many issues that progressive women care about, and liberals oppose many issues that fundamentalist Christians care about. But in many cases, the opposition is not to femininity or religiosity, but to women/christians prioritizing their own interests over those of others.

Partisans believe that their side is fighting for equality, whereas the other is fighting to put its respective group (women/christians) ahead of others. But I don't buy it most of the time. In the context of abortion, women put their own interests above those of unborn children. And in the context of gay marriage, fundamentalist christians put their own faith and peace of mind ahead of the liberty of others.

So in reality, there are wars on unborn children and gay people. The response is a war on self-interest, not women or christians.

Thrilla said:

I think you need a better understanding about why the Republicans opposed the lily ledbetter act...it had nothing to do with equal pay or women's rights ( in fact, the act itself is gender neutral, as it lawfully must be )

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Excellent point!

Somerville said:

I realise you are being sarcastic Maggie but those are the positions that are presently advocated by the GOP and Romney.

Romney has said he opposed the Lily Ledbetter Act.

The GOP is pushing the idea that employers can decide whether their employee insurance will cover birth control

I have posted several times about Tea bagger types who think the 19th Amendment was a bad idea

Women ARE still paid less than men for equal work

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Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter act and still the females on his staff average 18% less in pay than males. That should tell you all you need to know.

helix2048 said:

You are incorrect. Overturning Roe vs Wade makes it illegal to have an abortion. So it does take away a woman's right to choose. Romney would have that power since the next elected president gets to decide on future supreme court justices.

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No, it returns the authority to make laws banning the practice OR NOT to the states, which - as any literate person knows - is where it rightfully belongs.

jerry7 said:

Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter act and still the females on his staff average 18% less in pay than males. That should tell you all you need to know.

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That's a meaningless statistic unless you can show that women doing the same job with the same qualifications earned less.

And, btw:

Two of the 10 highest-paid members of Mitt Romney’s gubernatorial staff were women in 2003, his first year as Massachusetts governor, and on average full-time women staffers earned 25% less than male staffers that year, according to data from the Massachusetts Comptroller’s office.

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Glass houses and all that....

Since I am not a woman, I can't possibly speak on their issues. I am just laying some items on the table that I have heard women discussing (not all on this board).

ImVotingRonPaul said:

Definitely an issue...[trimmed-basically using as quote reference]...Are you saying Romney would fight to change wages in government so that the they differ based on which gender holds the position?

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When it comes to equal pay, I don't think Romney actually cares to do anything about it. It has been proven that Romney didn't seek out women for his cabinet, he was provided a list of women. The ones he picked held the lowest positions on his cabinet.

The issue of women who want to work, but are expected to stay at home, stems from concerns I hear from women. There is a double-standard. Stay home, raise your children and get government assistance (and be demonized for it) or go to work and your kids will become violent.

Women being treated inferior to men can be grouped with women not getting equal pay. Not getting equal pay is being treat inferior.

You are correct, determining when human life exists is part of abortion. When it comes to abortion, I think it is a woman's issue. A man can get a woman pregnant, but a man can't give birth. A man can't force a woman to have an abortion, it is her choice. I won't get into an abortion discussion here, since we have a forum for that. I'm just stating it's a woman's issue IMO.

Again, I don't think Romney will fight to change wages in government to differ based on gender. Here is what I am saying: there are 23 cabinet positions. If Romney had 22 qualified women (since Ryan would be VP) to hold these positions, he would pick men over the women. In Massachusetts, he had 15 cabinet positions, 9 men and 6 women. The women held the lowest cabinet positions.

Thrilla said:

I think you need a better understanding about why the Republicans opposed the lily ledbetter act...it had nothing to do with equal pay or women's rights ( in fact, the act itself is gender neutral, as it lawfully must be )

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Really? A better 'understanding' than the reality of how the GOP will attempt to twist absolutely every attempt to level the playing field

Republicans called the Senate proposal a political ploy that would benefit trial lawyers while doing little, if anything, to advance equal pay.

“This is just a political exercise,” Senator Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican, told reporters today. “It’s offensive. Over and over, that’s all we’re doing this year is things that might protect Democrats.”

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Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker had a 'funny' explanation for erasing a state law that mandated equal pay - it clogged up the state courts and government could do a better job!!

"In the past, lawyers could clog up the legal system," Walker said. "Instead, the state Department of Workforce Development gets to be the one that ultimately can put people back and give them up to two years back pay if there is reason to believe there was pay discrimination in the workforce."

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Somerville said:

Really? A better 'understanding' than the reality of how the GOP will attempt to twist absolutely every attempt to level the playing field



Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker had a 'funny' explanation for erasing a state law that mandated equal pay - it clogged up the state courts and government could do a better job!!

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yes, you need a better understanding of the GOP opposition... and of the law itself.

AdamT said:

That's a meaningless statistic unless you can show that women doing the same job with the same qualifications earned less.

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And that's why Romney opposed Lily Ledbetter. It has the potential to tie businesses in knots. And if you want to know how discriminatory Obama's White House is against women just ask Anita Dunn, his former White House Communications Director.

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In Ron Suskind's Confidence Men, Dunn is quoted as saying, “looking back, this place would be in court for a hostile workplace. … Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.’’

According to Time Magazine the Obama White House is "Boys' Club" that "marginalizes and ignores" women. Former economic adviser Christina Romer said she was treated as a "piece of meat."
Obama's Female Debate Coach: White House a 'Hostile Workplace'