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"War on Women?"

MaggieD said:
Isn't that the whole point?
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No, that's totally NOT the point of the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, though it's another issue worthy of discussion.
 
MaggieD said:
Adam!!! Just when I think you're moving a tad toward fair. So let me get this straight. Romney's staff was paid 25% less than the men, but that's a freakin' sin. Obama does it and it's no problem because, from you:



You can assert both of those contradictions within two posts. I think that's a record. Ha!
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Um, Maggie ... you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing. All I'm saying is that if you think it's a problem for Obama, it was a worse problem for Romney. But more concerning to me with respect to Romney is the fact that about half of the women who started with Romney were replaced by men by the time he left office.
 
AdamT said:
No, that's totally NOT the point of the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, though it's another issue worthy of discussion.
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Well, THAT went right over your head...

AdamT said:
Um, Maggie ... you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing. All I'm saying is that if you think it's a problem for Obama, it was a worse problem for Romney. But more concerning to me with respect to Romney is the fact that about half of the women who started with Romney were replaced by men by the time he left office.
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Links.
 
Hairytic said:
I did google it. I don't know what your source is because all I saw when I googled it was right wing web sites spitting out percentages with no evidence that the information was factual.
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And thats pretty much what I expected. Besides...its not HIS fault they get paid separately. And...the sun was in his eyes. And...when he took the job, it was really really hard but the next 4 years...THEN he will be able to make sure they all get paid and treated fairly. And...George Bush did it!!!

Oh...wait...it was Gibbs and Emmanuel...

Book: Women in Obama White House felt excluded and ignored - The Washington Post

In an excerpt obtained by The Post, a female senior aide to President Obama called the White House a hostile environment for women.

“This place would be in court for a hostile workplace,” former White House communications director Anita Dunn is quoted as saying. “Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”
 
VanceMack said:
And thats pretty much what I expected. Besides...its not HIS fault they get paid separately. And...the sun was in his eyes. And...when he took the job, it was really really hard but the next 4 years...THEN he will be able to make sure they all get paid and treated fairly. And...George Bush did it!!!

Oh...wait...it was Gibbs and Emmanuel...

Book: Women in Obama White House felt excluded and ignored - The Washington Post

In an excerpt obtained by The Post, a female senior aide to President Obama called the White House a hostile environment for women.

“This place would be in court for a hostile workplace,” former White House communications director Anita Dunn is quoted as saying. “Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”
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Yeah, the only problem with that book is that Anita Dunn denies ever making that statement, and in fact says that Obama has great respect for the opinions of women.
 
AdamT said:
They're smarter than Repubicans think. Women on Romney's staff were paid 25% less than the men on his staff. Romney started out his administration with slightly less than half women on his staff, but by the time he left only 1/4 of his staff was composed of women.
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Through who's choices? Did he or did he not DIRECTLY engage in hiring women for his cabinet...a practice NOT previously done by other (ahem) democrat governors of Mass? And

You keep right on trumpeting things like Big Bird and Binders. Its no wonder the poll numbers have shifted so dramatically (in spite of being weighted democrat). People see right through the stupidity. They see a childish failure of a president who doesnt understand the first thing about business and the economy and who instead has to pick on things like THIS to campaign on. Luckily for him, he does still have plenty of empty headed muppets out there leading the 'charge'...backward.
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, the only problem with that book is that Anita Dunn denies ever making that statement, and in fact says that Obama has great respect for the opinions of women.
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Does it strike anyone other than me that "facts" in this election cycle are mere illusions? That we're trying to pin down a slithering eel? And further, that's exactly what our politicians strive for with all of their mights? That all this **** we argue about is like the pretty girl on stage with the magician? A distraction so we won't see how the blammo box really works? Who's really behind the curtain?

AdamT said:
Women’s Pay Level in Gov. Romney’s Staff - Washington Wire - WSJ
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Thank you. I hope you're happy. I have a headache. ;)
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, the only problem with that book is that Anita Dunn denies ever making that statement, and in fact says that Obama has great respect for the opinions of women.
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Why SURE. It wasnt her. She was drunk...ummmshe was having hot flashes. She was drugged. The sun was in her eyes. It was George Bush's fault.

Excuses and denial is a pretty common theme in the Obama administration.
 
VanceMack said:
Through who's choices? Did he or did he not DIRECTLY engage in hiring women for his cabinet...a practice NOT previously done by other (ahem) democrat governors of Mass? And

You keep right on trumpeting things like Big Bird and Binders. Its no wonder the poll numbers have shifted so dramatically (in spite of being weighted democrat). People see right through the stupidity. They see a childish failure of a president who doesnt understand the first thing about business and the economy and who instead has to pick on things like THIS to campaign on. Luckily for him, he does still have plenty of empty headed muppets out there leading the 'charge'...backward.
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Go ahead and blow off issues like public broadcasting and women's rights. There's a reason that Obama is leading this race and has been from the beginning. ;)
 
“I felt like a piece of meat,” Christina Romer, former head of the Council of Economic Advisers, said of one meeting in which Suskind writes she was “boxed out” by Summers.Dunn told Suskind that the problems began during the 2008 campaign. At one point she was viewing a television ad with other campaign officials and was shocked to see no women in the spot.
“There isn’t a single woman in this ad,” Dunn said. “I was dumbfounded. It wasn’t like they were being deliberately sexist. It’s just there was no one offering a female perspective.”The ad was later reshot, with women included.

“The president has a real woman problem,” an unnamed high-ranking female official told Suskind. “ The idea of the boys’ club being just Larry and Rahm isn’t really fair. He [Obama] was just as responsible himself.”

Based on interviews with more than 200 people inside and outside the White House, Suskind’s book comes as Obama faces the lowest poll numbers of his tenure, and deep discontent over his economic policies. According to the book, female staffers, like Dunn and Romer, felt sidelined. In November 2009, female aides complained to the president about being left out of meetings, or ignored. Dunn said in the interview that her husband, now-White House lawyer Bob Bauer, was “surprised to see me as someone who could be talked over in meetings."

Lots of details...but...it was an imposter I tells ya!!! all of them!!!
 
VanceMack said:
Why SURE. It wasnt her. She was drunk...ummmshe was having hot flashes. She was drugged. The sun was in her eyes. It was George Bush's fault.

Excuses and denial is a pretty common theme in the Obama administration.
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It's kind of like the Clinton death list. Democrats kept denying that the Clintons had anything to do with all those deaths.
 
AdamT said:
Go ahead and blow off issues like public broadcasting and women's rights. There's a reason that Obama is leading this race and has been from the beginning. ;)
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They have blown off paying for services they have to borrow money for, and Romney has a better record than Obama when it comes to hiring and supporting women. The problem isnt the issues...its the lies you tell ABOUT the issues. And women are seeing through them.
 
VanceMack said:
And thats pretty much what I expected. Besides...its not HIS fault they get paid separately. And...the sun was in his eyes. And...when he took the job, it was really really hard but the next 4 years...THEN he will be able to make sure they all get paid and treated fairly. And...George Bush did it!!!

Oh...wait...it was Gibbs and Emmanuel...

Book: Women in Obama White House felt excluded and ignored - The Washington Post

In an excerpt obtained by The Post, a female senior aide to President Obama called the White House a hostile environment for women.

“This place would be in court for a hostile workplace,” former White House communications director Anita Dunn is quoted as saying. “Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”
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Ron Suskind, Anita Dunn Dispute Account Of White House's Woman Problem
Try this article for more accurate inforation. Ron Suskind wrote a book and according to Dunn, took something she said out of context. What she claims she said was: "I remember once I told Valerie [Jarrett] that, I said if it weren’t for the president, this place would be in court for a hostile workplace,” Dunn is heard telling Suskind. “Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women."
 
VanceMack said:
“I felt like a piece of meat,” Christina Romer, former head of the Council of Economic Advisers, said of one meeting in which Suskind writes she was “boxed out” by Summers.Dunn told Suskind that the problems began during the 2008 campaign. At one point she was viewing a television ad with other campaign officials and was shocked to see no women in the spot.
“There isn’t a single woman in this ad,” Dunn said. “I was dumbfounded. It wasn’t like they were being deliberately sexist. It’s just there was no one offering a female perspective.”The ad was later reshot, with women included.

“The president has a real woman problem,” an unnamed high-ranking female official told Suskind. “ The idea of the boys’ club being just Larry and Rahm isn’t really fair. He [Obama] was just as responsible himself.”

Based on interviews with more than 200 people inside and outside the White House, Suskind’s book comes as Obama faces the lowest poll numbers of his tenure, and deep discontent over his economic policies. According to the book, female staffers, like Dunn and Romer, felt sidelined. In November 2009, female aides complained to the president about being left out of meetings, or ignored. Dunn said in the interview that her husband, now-White House lawyer Bob Bauer, was “surprised to see me as someone who could be talked over in meetings."

Lots of details...but...it was an imposter I tells ya!!! all of them!!!
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So we have Romer complaining that Summers is an ass (how unusual), and unnamed staffer, and a supposed statement that the person it's attributed to denied ever making. Pretty strong stuff! :lamo

Meanwhile, Obama's record on women is 1000x better than Romney's. The first bill he signed was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which Romney opposed. He has consistently supported women's health care, while Romney has said he would end support for Planned Parenthood, which tens of thousands of women rely on for preventive care. Not surprisingly, Obama is far more popular with women than Romney is.
 
AdamT said:
So we have Romer complaining that Summers is an ass (how unusual), and unnamed staffer, and a supposed statement that the person it's attributed to denied ever making. Pretty strong stuff! :lamo

Meanwhile, Obama's record on women is 1000x better than Romney's. The first bill he signed was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which Romney opposed. He has consistently supported women's health care, while Romney has said he would end support for Planned Parenthood, which tens of thousands of women rely on for preventive care. Not surprisingly, he is far more popular with women than Romney is.
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The White House Boys’ Club: President Obama Has a Woman Problem | Swampland | TIME.com

More than a few women...but...its not liek the women matter to you when you are defending the president. This is actually a lot like the CLinton years. Who CARES about the accusations of sexual assault, rape, etc...he is our boy!!!

Romney actually ACTED. Obama's white house and staff tell a completely different story. He is obviously far more comfortable in the company of men.
 
AdamT said:
So we have Romer complaining that Summers is an ass (how unusual), and unnamed staffer, and a supposed statement that the person it's attributed to denied ever making. Pretty strong stuff! :lamo

Meanwhile, Obama's record on women is 1000x better than Romney's. The first bill he signed was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which Romney opposed. He has consistently supported women's health care, while Romney has said he would end support for Planned Parenthood, which tens of thousands of women rely on for preventive care. Not surprisingly, Obama is far more popular with women than Romney is.
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Hmm, why are Obama's "teachable moments" always events where a bunch of guys drink beer? Why aren't there any women drinking wine?
 
Even when women are in the room with Obama, they are sometimes seen but not heard. At a 2010 symposium on women in finance, Christina Romer, then the chair of Obama’s Council of Economic Advisors, talked about the difficulty she had getting the floor in policy discussions. Suskind relates the story of how Obama reacted angrily to one suggestion by Romer, and yet calmly heard out the same point from Larry Summers a few days later. Other senior women have complained that their arguments seemed to disappear into the ether at meetings, unacknowledged by Obama. Ellen Moran, Obama’s first communications director, was the first member of his team to leave the White House, resigning just 92 days into the term.

Even at the dinner pushed for by top female staffers so they could air their grievances directly with Obama, his reaction–as told by Suskind–amounted to an apologetic shrug. The men who cut their female colleagues out of meetings and decision-making were his friends and closest advisers. He needed them, and didn’t seem inclined to rein them in. The unspoken message: toughen up and deal with it.

Read more: The White House Boys’ Club: President Obama Has a Woman Problem | Swampland | TIME.com

But hey...better to ignore your staff and treat them as second class citizens than to pin them in doorways and grope them on the day of their husbands funeral...
 
helix2048 said:
Most laws should be handled by the states. This is not one of them.
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It is if you respect the rule of law. Unless you can point to the entry in the constitution where abortion is declared a constitutional right, it isn't.
 
helix2048 said:
Well, you are right, there are many issues as well as abortion. There is the issue of equal pay for women. There is the issue of a woman's right to vote. There is the issue of women who want to work, but are expected to stay at home and cook, clean, and make babies. There is the issue of women being treated inferior to men.

Women have rights, and those rights are threatened by the Romney-Ryan ticket. He will not let a woman have the right to choose (by over turning Roe vs Wade). He is not about women getting equal pay (it's been proven the women he hired in Massachusetts did not make the same wages as men).

I know how I feel about his sexism. I'm interested to hear what the women have to say on this.
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If it was so easy to overturn Roe, why didn't Bush do it when he had the chance - and when he had the control of both houses of Congress at the same time?

So if a woman wants to work, her employer shouldn't be sensitive to her wanting to take care of her kids and feeding them? Can't have it both ways. Women howl like scorched cats when someone won't let them have that "balance", and then howl when someone (like Romney) suggests they SHOULD have it.

Do you think Romney wants to take the vote away from women?

And you do know that the women Obama hired for the WH get paid less than the men he hired, yes?
 
AdamT said:
So we have Romer complaining that Summers is an ass (how unusual), and unnamed staffer, and a supposed statement that the person it's attributed to denied ever making. Pretty strong stuff! :lamo

Meanwhile, Obama's record on women is 1000x better than Romney's. The first bill he signed was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which Romney opposed. He has consistently supported women's health care, while Romney has said he would end support for Planned Parenthood, which tens of thousands of women rely on for preventive care. Not surprisingly, Obama is far more popular with women than Romney is.
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Women have voted in larger numbers for the Democratic candidate every election since at least 1980.

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/voters/documents/GGPresVote.pdf
 
Josie said:
It's just a silly catch phrase to get the stupidest of my gender to vote Democrat because those eeeeeeeevil woman-haters in the Republican Party want to take away their rights.

Women.... we're smarter than that, aren't we?
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I may not agree with all those who share my gender but calling them stupid for disagreeing is for...umm...for lack of a better term...stupid!
 
Whether you're a man or a woman, if you believe there is a "war on women," yeah, you're pretty dumb.
 
This is such bunk...

This is nothing but liberal scare tactics.. as they have nothing to run on ...
 
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