Listen to FOX and Mitt won the debate but nowhere else.

Good name calling, he must have won.

Amigo said:

Wow, I guess you did see him win, on the point the he was more of a total marxist thug.

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mak2 said:

Good name calling, he must have won.

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When telling the truth about who he is, it isn't name calling.

Verax said:

I don't watch MSNBC. The hate in the Fox threads mostly comes from your own spawn. Your comments look very similar to the ones I see there. You accuse liberals of this or that, you attack a celebrity for whatever lame reason, yet I never see any "liberal" comments. Its like you guys are battling ghosts over there, lol.

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Nah... there's never been any hate at MSNBC.

marsden said:

And yet, anyone who does a side-by-side comparison of ten minutes with MSNBC, then ten minutes of FNC will find MSDNC, er, MSNBC, to be the more hateful.

Explain that.

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I haven't watched much MSNBC as of late but I do frequent their website every so often. I just don't see the comparison, the deception, the hate, I don't see it on MSNBC. They are no angels and I'm sure you can find some negative moments, some lying, but for the most part, no. Now if you want to say they are politically biased, of course, but not flat out lying hateful garbage, they're a bit sneakier than that.

James D Hill said:

Fox is as biased as it gets. It looks like fair AND BALENCED HAS GONE OUT THE WINDOW. Yes I thought Mitt did ok at times but when he plainly screwed up on the fact that the president called the attact an act of terror on Sept 12 it was a kick in the gut for the right wing attack. I thought the president won fair and square.

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Nope, there was a mixture of opinion on Fox, just like there always is. Some commentators thought he did well, others not. Krauthammer was one in particular who thought that Obama won "on points."

I get the impression that most of the critics of Fox News never actually watch it. Instead, they just read media matters or some such and allow themselves to be led by these third parties.

Jack Fabulous said:

Nah... there's never been any hate at MSNBC.

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Standing up to hate, fighting hate, is hate??? Seriously you could not have found a worse video. Olbermann was pretty obnoxious and hateful towards... hateful people... see if you can find the moral in this whole story.

Verax said:

I don't watch MSNBC. The hate in the Fox threads mostly comes from your own spawn. Your comments look very similar to the ones I see there. You accuse liberals of this or that, you attack a celebrity for whatever lame reason, yet I never see any "liberal" comments. Its like you guys are battling ghosts over there, lol.

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Hateful talk on MSNBC? I've never heard of such:

Verax said:

Standing up to hate, fighting hate, is hate??? Seriously you could not have found a worse video. Olbermann was pretty obnoxious and hateful towards... hateful people... see if you can find the moral in this whole story.

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Well, of course, that's all conservatives ever do -- stand up to hate from the leftist/liberals. Conservatives fight the hate. Yes, it's true

Olberman was pretty obnoxious and hateful -- towards women mainly. But just about everyone else, too.

mak2 said:

Rush went on and on yesterday about how badly Romney stomped the President in the debate. Fox says about the same thing. I watched the debate, Obama dominated.

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I watched it also (I am a centrist and really do not like either candidate) and my thought was Obama is a shell of his 2008 self and Romney overall won, although I don't think either side dominated. Obama seems not to be enjoying himself and a little nervous. I thought his explanation for low gas prices was goofy and right up there with the teller machine. I knew no matter what happened, the Obama campaign, MSNBC, and much of the regular media that is in the tank for Obama was going to try and influence public opinion and make it out as a big Obama victory after what happened in the previous debate and Romney gaining so much ground in the polls. It was obviously preplanned but still seeing such over the top dishonest spin sort of shocks you. As a supporter of Obama, are you ashamed at all by these tactics. When they try to spin the binder comment by Romney to make it look like he's anti-women to prey on women who may not be as sophisticated to pick up on such dishonest spin, are you not the least bit embarrassed. Or is it Fox spins so no big deal Obama campaign dishonestly spins to prey on the public.

Verax said:

Standing up to hate, fighting hate, is hate??? Seriously you could not have found a worse video. Olbermann was pretty obnoxious and hateful towards... hateful people... see if you can find the moral in this whole story.

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The moral is that when people reject your message you don't take pause to try to understand the problem with the message, NOOOOOoooooooo...... you smear them, you demean and degrade them, you call them racists, you call them any and every vile name in the book... all in the name of advancing the "cause". Neverminding the fact that "the cause" is what is ****ed up to begin with.

I can honestly say at the end of the debate I knew Obama had won. The spin has not changed my mind.

laska said:

I watched it also (I am a centrist and really do not like either candidate) and my thought was Obama is a shell of his 2008 self and Romney overall won, although I don't think either side dominated. Obama seems not to be enjoying himself and a little nervous. I thought his explanation for low gas prices was goofy and right up there with the teller machine. I knew no matter what happened, the Obama campaign, MSNBC, and much of the regular media that is in the tank for Obama was going to try and influence public opinion and make it out as a big Obama victory after what happened in the previous debate and Romney gaining so much ground in the polls. It was obviously preplanned but still seeing such over the top dishonest spin sort of shocks you. As a supporter of Obama, are you ashamed at all by these tactics. When they try to spin the binder comment by Romney to make it look like he's anti-women to prey on women who may not be as sophisticated to pick up on such dishonest spin, are you not the least bit embarrassed. Or is it Fox spins so no big deal Obama campaign dishonestly spins to prey on the public.

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Jack Fabulous said:

The moral is that when people reject your message you don't take pause to try to understand the problem with the message, NOOOOOoooooooo...... you smear them, you demean and degrade them, you call them racists, you call them any and every vile name in the book... all in the name of advancing the "cause". Neverminding the fact that "the cause" is what is ****ed up to begin with.

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So let me get this right, its ok for them to tell others they are going to hell, they are an abomination, they are not welcome in the U.S., because they are gay... but to fight for gay rights, against them, its mean??? This is straight out of the Fox news playbook, run around like obnoxious animals tearing everyone to shreds, then when somebody takes a jab back you completely break down and play the victim card.

Sean Hannity gets all his viewers by hating the President so it doesnt suprise me.

Verax said:

So let me get this right, its ok for them to tell others they are going to hell, they are an abomination, they are not welcome in the U.S., because they are gay... but to fight for gay rights, against them, its mean??? This is straight out of the Fox news playbook, run around like obnoxious animals tearing everyone to shreds, then when somebody takes a jab back you completely break down and play the victim card.

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You show me where a Fox anchor has said anything of the sort.

I won't hold my breath...

mak2 said:

I watched the debate, Obama dominated.

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No - it is clear that Obama/crowley 'beat' Romney during the confines of that arena by not allowing Romney to finish his points.

But Romney dominated with facts and truth.

Obama flat out lied about the "act of terror" comment and Crowley bailed him out. This whole scene was fishy. Obama cries out during Romney's response "Candy - get the script" and Candy obliges by lifting up a piece of paper and immediately saying "it does say 'act of terror.'" Romney tries to respond and Obama cries out "Candy - say it LOUDER." and Candy interrupts Romney = "IT DOES SAY ACT OF TERROR!!!!!" to the applause of the other 'journalists' in the back room. She then cuts off Romney again and 'moves on' to the next topic.

This was unreal = how many OTHER 'transcripts' did Candy just happen to have on hand? And WHY would she be the stepinfetchit for Obama while she is 'moderating' a debate. How can one of the participants interrupt his opponent and COMMAND the moderator to 'read a transcript.'

And THEN Candy gets the whole thing WRONG - she agrees with Obama's LIE and then changes the subject. The single most vulnerable point of the whole debate - Obama lies, tells the moderator to back up his lies (with a piece of paper she just conveniently has on hand), she obeys the command and says the lie is true, then cuts off Romney from exposing this whole stinking kettle of rotten fish.

Yeah - under those conditions, Obama 'won.'

congratulations on having a liar with a lying journalist to fend off the truth-seekers.

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Sean Hannity gets all his viewers by hating the President so it doesnt suprise me.

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Hannity is a screeching idiot - a parrot without a brain. I loath Hannity even more because the crap he spews supports the stands I believe in.

It's like having a drooling idiot out wearing a t-shirt that agrees with your positions but makes a pest of himself with his outlandish mannerisms.

I wish Hannity would go away - he reminds me of a democrat the way he parrots talking points without understanding a word he says.

Verax said:

So let me get this right, its ok for them to tell others they are going to hell, they are an abomination, they are not welcome in the U.S., because they are gay... but to fight for gay rights, against them, its mean??? This is straight out of the Fox news playbook, run around like obnoxious animals tearing everyone to shreds, then when somebody takes a jab back you completely break down and play the victim card.

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I would like to see that 'independent' universe you live in. It is certainly independent from the reality of what happens in this universe.

You have been reading DailyKos too much if you really believe the crap in your post. Can you link to anything from FOX that is even similar to your screed? I watch FOX and have never seen anything of the sort.

I have sneaked a couple of peeks at MSNBC and the inverse of what you attributed to FOX is rampant there - unless I have just coincidentally tapped in on them when they were spewing nonsense. My experience is that nonsense is ALL they spew.

But carry on in your 'independent' universe.

Verax said:

Standing up to hate, fighting hate, is hate??? Seriously you could not have found a worse video. Olbermann was pretty obnoxious and hateful towards... hateful people... see if you can find the moral in this whole story.

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I got it - in your 'independent' universe, all words have the exact OPPOSITE meaning they have in the reality of THIS universe.

What you call 'hate' is what we here in reality call 'opinion.'

Then when you levy real "hatred" on the people with opinions, you call that "calling out the haters."

I think I have discovered the secret code. - and without a decoder ring and a tin-foil hat too.

Rokkitsci said:

Hannity is a screeching idiot - a parrot without a brain. I loath Hannity even more because the crap he spews supports the stands I believe in.

It's like having a drooling idiot out wearing a t-shirt that agrees with your positions but makes a pest of himself with his outlandish mannerisms.

I wish Hannity would go away - he reminds me of a democrat the way he parrots talking points without understanding a word he says.

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and he takes away from people on Fox like Bill O'Reily who is an intellect and fair.

Rokkitsci said:

Hannity is a screeching idiot - a parrot without a brain. I loath Hannity even more because the crap he spews supports the stands I believe in.

It's like having a drooling idiot out wearing a t-shirt that agrees with your positions but makes a pest of himself with his outlandish mannerisms.

I wish Hannity would go away - he reminds me of a democrat the way he parrots talking points without understanding a word he says.

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I could hardly agree more. I liked watching him when it was Hannity and Colmes, as I actually felt like they evened each other out fairly well. I can not stand just watching hannity, though. It's really quite awful.

mak2 said:

Rush went on and on yesterday about how badly Romney stomped the President in the debate. Fox says about the same thing. I watched the debate, Obama dominated.

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I sure didn't think Obama dominated. I looked at it as pretty much a tie. I think Obama got thumped in the media since because Candy What'erName appointed herself Fact-Checker Extraordinaire. And because Obama absolutely did not attribute the attacks to terrorism in the Rose Garden. That's pretty apparent not only from the generic reference he made and and fact that the White House continued to say it was the video until September 26th.

mak2 said:

Rush went on and on yesterday about how badly Romney stomped the President in the debate. Fox says about the same thing. I watched the debate, Obama dominated.

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Anybody operating with an IQ above 90 knows that.

haymarket said:

Anybody operating with an IQ above 90 knows that.

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I doubt it. Partisanship seems not to care too much about IQ, someone who wanted to see Romney dominate or Obama dominate is a lot more likely to think that thier candidate won regardless of how well they score on a test.

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I got it - in your 'independent' universe, all words have the exact OPPOSITE meaning they have in the reality of THIS universe.

What you call 'hate' is what we here in reality call 'opinion.'

Then when you levy real "hatred" on the people with opinions, you call that "calling out the haters."

I think I have discovered the secret code. - and without a decoder ring and a tin-foil hat too.

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That's a nice tale you've woven in your mind, too bad that's the only place it exists. Discriminating against gays is hate, yes you call it "opinion", just like back in the 60's when you guys discriminated against blacks, it wasn't hate it was "opinion". The sword slices both ways ya know, when in doubt you should probably mind your own business if you are so concerned about your hate speech being labeled as such.

James D Hill said:

Fox is as biased as it gets. It looks like fair AND BALENCED HAS GONE OUT THE WINDOW. Yes I thought Mitt did ok at times but when he plainly screwed up on the fact that the president called the attact an act of terror on Sept 12 it was a kick in the gut for the right wing attack. I thought the president won fair and square.

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Given your posts, obama could have farted the entire night and you would have declared him the winner. Fox at least will have lefties on its program. MSNBC is far far more biased and what makes Fox look RW is the fact that almost every other network is a democratic party organ. 85% of the news reporters who covered the last three presidential elections voted for the Democratic party candidate